Peter Mair
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NEW WHIP RULES: THE ECONOMICS OF CRIME
As reported in The Australian this morning,
Using Blake Shinn's ride in last year's Melbourne Cup on Viewed as an example, Bailey said a repeat of that level of whip use in the $5million race would certainly see the winning rider forfeit the riding fee, plus the maximum fine of $75,000 -- equating to half the 5 per cent commission of prizemoney.
Quite apart from the contradiction of last-year-good this-year-bad, it is a bit ambitious to think that the prospect of penalties (short of disqualification) will overwhelm a jockeys determination to win the Cup -- apart from anything else, the winning connections would be honor bound to cover the jockey's exes from the $3.5 million just trousered.
In short when $3.5 million overwhelms $225,000 by a factor of 15 -- the prospective penalties are an invitation to go for broke.
Loking back at some of the most memorable 'win at all costs' rides over the past 25 years, and attendant exemplary fines and suspensions, does anyone believe that the connections did not make good the situation for the jockey on a promise? In this vein, one of the most sensible and effective stewards decisions ever made was the relegation of Choisir in a Melbourne carnival race.
There is little point penalizing jockeys alone -- and no chance of a horse winning unfairly being disqualified.
Whatever else is done, it is past time for jockeys to subscribe to a code of practice -- including an annually signed undertaking to not use a whip excessively.
Any intention to apply the rule on a numbers basis will stand in ignorance of the difference betwen Des Lake and Peter Cook (but even PC went for broke in a Cup)
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2009-Aug-04, 10:24 AM
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I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please? I'm a bit confused as usual.
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Sporty
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2009-Aug-04, 10:38 AM
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I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please? I'm a bit confused as usual.
Hey grats there not even aloud to flog horses out either these days also....if they not even in contention....  ..which is good in a way as far to many horses are being flogged for nothing....and on the same hand its not bad rules either ..if ya want to give a horse a sneaky run... |
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manikato1
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2009-Aug-04, 10:43 AM
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apparently jockeys will be notified in the post a week or so after a race meeting if they break the new whip rules, so thats prob why we dont know of who was done over the weekend
Read the Adelaide Stewards report from Saturday. I think 6 riders were reprimanded for breaking the rules. |
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2009-Aug-04, 11:05 AM
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I think my eight year old grandson is onto something when he said the horse will soon learn when they cannot be hit. Just like the kids at school  |
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Mark
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2009-Aug-04, 11:46 AM
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You got a point there.. Marky..  ....heay and the thing about these new whip rules that have come into play today....i reckon you'll find more good things winning easily.. Mate you'd know having been a jock, (as a mate once told me) - when ya get beaten by a lip, ya cant stop kickin yaself, thinkin if only I'd rounded that corner a bit tighter, if only I'd got stuck into him just a second sooner and so on... I'm sure there must be a million and one thoughts like thiese that would never stop going through your head, especially after going down by a lip in the Melbourne Cup.. I reckon Brown's thought about it every day since the race... |
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2009-Aug-04, 12:11 PM
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I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please? I'm a bit confused as usual.
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2009-Aug-04, 01:12 PM
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Thanks Grandstand  |
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2009-Aug-04, 02:14 PM
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You bloke rode a winner at Cessnock I see GS  |
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2009-Aug-04, 02:17 PM
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yeah very good magic
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richo
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2009-Aug-04, 03:02 PM
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I'm with a couple on here why if the whip is padded why the restrictions seems bullshit to me. Mark don't worry the old whips did hurt I was leading one in at grafton one day with marlon dolendo up and it was playing up so he give it a cut down the shoulder but the little prick missed it and got me on the arm and i had a welt the shape of the whip flap for about 3 days. I reckon it won't be long and all they'll use the whip for is to tie a carrot on the end of it and hang it out in front of the horse.
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2009-Aug-04, 03:17 PM
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@ Richo I always reckoned they should do that to help load horses into the barriers.
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2009-Aug-05, 06:19 AM
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Mate you'd know having been a jock, (as a mate once told me) - when ya get beaten by a lip, ya cant stop kickin yaself, thinkin if only I'd rounded that corner a bit tighter, if only I'd got stuck into him just a second sooner and so on... I'm sure there must be a million and one thoughts like thiese that would never stop going through your head, especially after going down by a lip in the Melbourne Cup..
I reckon Brown's thought about it every day since the race...
Marky our lives are always fulled with if only.....if only i did this...if only i did that...will send ya mad worrying about that shit....the thing is its alright for blokes like you and others....to sit and watch a race and then go over the reply ...and say  what was he doing on that blah blah blah...as he should of done this or should of done that.....image this mate...your on a pushbike ok...going down this big massive hill and you have no brakes at all....now down the bottom is a fork in the road ..but only one leads the way out and the other is a dead end...and your getting closer and its a split second decision on which way you should go.....well thats what its like to jocks at times.... |
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2009-Aug-05, 06:45 AM
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Hey Mark....and talking about your if only's.....whatabout your man on saturday D Oliver ..on Fifth Avenue Lady...now what a tragedy beaten it was..  ...but if only ..he had got out earlier ...heay.. ......one alley he drew on that mare...and he tried to ride her for luck....but you get that mate as you got to take the good with the bad.... |
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2009-Aug-05, 07:08 AM
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Every couch potatoe loves to bag negative things that happen. Footy is a classic, they'll slow something down and look at about 14 different angles, and finally come to a decision which is still debatable, yet they bag a ref or touchie for making a wrong decision when there was less than an inch in it  |
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2009-Aug-05, 05:39 PM
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Hey Mark....and talking about your if only's.....whatabout your man on saturday D Oliver ..on Fifth Avenue Lady...now what a tragedy beaten it was.. ...but if only ..he had got out earlier ...heay.. ......one alley he drew on that mare...and he tried to ride her for luck....but you get that mate as you got to take the good with the bad.... D. Oliver aint really my man mate , but yeah I know, I backed Fifth Avenue. |
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