Peter Mair
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NEW WHIP RULES: THE ECONOMICS OF CRIME
As reported in The Australian this morning,
Using Blake Shinn's ride in last year's Melbourne Cup on Viewed as an example, Bailey said a repeat of that level of whip use in the $5million race would certainly see the winning rider forfeit the riding fee, plus the maximum fine of $75,000 -- equating to half the 5 per cent commission of prizemoney.
Quite apart from the contradiction of last-year-good this-year-bad, it is a bit ambitious to think that the prospect of penalties (short of disqualification) will overwhelm a jockeys determination to win the Cup -- apart from anything else, the winning connections would be honor bound to cover the jockey's exes from the $3.5 million just trousered.
In short when $3.5 million overwhelms $225,000 by a factor of 15 -- the prospective penalties are an invitation to go for broke.
Loking back at some of the most memorable 'win at all costs' rides over the past 25 years, and attendant exemplary fines and suspensions, does anyone believe that the connections did not make good the situation for the jockey on a promise? In this vein, one of the most sensible and effective stewards decisions ever made was the relegation of Choisir in a Melbourne carnival race.
There is little point penalizing jockeys alone -- and no chance of a horse winning unfairly being disqualified.
Whatever else is done, it is past time for jockeys to subscribe to a code of practice -- including an annually signed undertaking to not use a whip excessively.
Any intention to apply the rule on a numbers basis will stand in ignorance of the difference betwen Des Lake and Peter Cook (but even PC went for broke in a Cup)
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2010-Apr-18, 08:00 AM
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ARE THE WHIPS BEING USED IN EUROPE 'PADDED'?
While this view from a European administrator is interesting, the issues in Australia are more about designing a whip that does not hurt horses but then removing the restrictions on its use so jockeys can communicate with their horses.
Surely there is a reasonable difference in the appropriate use of encouragement before the 100m mark in races of 1000m and 3000m.
More generally on the Racing Conferences last week, are copies of the papers presented published on the net?
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2010-Apr-18, 01:53 PM
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Surely there is a reasonable difference in the appropriate use of encouragement before the 100m mark in races of 1000m and 3000m.
I think you are right there Peter, Jockeys in longer distant races should be allowed to stoke up their mounts a little further out and as such different thinking should be employed over longer journeys. |
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2010-Apr-18, 02:49 PM
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As to the question of whether European whips are padded,while I cannot give a definitive answer
they certainly look to be similar to ours.
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2010-Apr-18, 05:28 PM
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WHEN THIS WHIP-MATTER GETS TO COURT
............the stewards may be left legless (and the autopsy will probably confirm that the uARB was always a myth).
It seems that racing policy issues of some moment can get a hearing in court pretty quickly -- and the court, having decided that an apellant had received procedural fairness and attendant natural justice, dismissed the appeal.
The likely outcome when the whip matter gets to court may be rather different.
Not only is there confusion in the administration of a national policy which has little meaning when it cannot be enforced in any meaningful way,
the court will be interested to explore the lack of transparency in the development and amendment of the rule.
One side play which it would be interesting to see explored is the recent substitution of an organization called 'Animals Australia' for the RSPCA as the ARB's secret adviser on animal welfare.
Those familiar with this thread last October and November will recall that the RSPCA reneged on a promise to release its advice to the uARB but later, after a meeting with jockeys designed to clarify animal welfare issues, nothing was said -- until implicitly the new, AA, adviser emerged to apparently displace the RSPCA.
The complete lack of transparency and objectivity on a public policy issue is hardly consistent with either fairness or justice.
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2010-Apr-22, 01:15 PM
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The little prick on top of De Jetcat decided he'd throw his fricken whip away.
I wonder what difference the experts can put on that in the effort of winning the race.
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2010-Oct-04, 05:04 AM
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ZIPPER YOUR PEN: WHO WOULD BELIEVE THIS
One of the NL papers has reported:
Nick Hall lost 20 per cent of his prizemoney allocation after being fined for his winning ride on Zipping in the Group One Turnbull Stakes (2000m) at Flemington.
Hall was found guilty of over use of the whip on the nine year-old and fined $3000.
The talented rider is entitled to five per cent of the $300,000 first prize but instead of a $15,000 collect will have to settle for $12,000.
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2010-Oct-09, 08:53 AM
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Shocking's owners and trainer should get this one to court....
a predictable friggin joke.
Zipping should lose race.
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2010-Oct-09, 10:47 AM
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Shocking's owners and trainer should get this one to court....
a predictable friggin joke.
Zipping should lose race.
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2010-Oct-09, 10:51 AM
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They can hardly go to court when they did not protest at the time
Connection will have to hold up correct weight and count the strokes before protesting. Or do you protest first and count the strokes in the inquiry ? Or do stewards take control and do their job before correct weight ? Or do they allow correct weight and reverse or disqualify as they would in a drugs inquiry ? |
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2010-Oct-10, 07:52 AM
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As Kav stated,he didn't see whip offence....stewards should do half the job and monitor placegetters contenders quickly via video replay, could be done in a minute or two....
either Stewards review race promptly and quickly or fix the rule....
a bloody joke.
Hall broke rule again on Linton did he not yesterday I think? I counted 6 hits prior to 100m. (was at pub with poor view but seemed suss again!
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2010-Oct-17, 12:38 PM
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Caulfield Cup, another big G1, another farce. Bugger it I'll do a thread.
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2010-Nov-15, 08:33 PM
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always remember to thank bob bent. for this hillarity to appease the tree-huggers  |
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2010-Dec-25, 10:04 AM
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in horse racing the whip rule is the last thing a slow horse has to worry about................  |
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