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Original Post 2007-Sep-16, 08:33 PM

Anybody here love their Hong Kong racing like i do ?

I had 2 bets Saturday, SAFETY FIRST trained by a guy that i reckon goes alright over there P F Yiu, then i backed up again on B Prebble  CHEEKY LAD  beer

Anybody have a history on P F Yiu, he has very few runners but always has a great strike rate and one to follow over there.
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2012-Feb-26, 12:14 PM

hoping to get close EW odds again about California Memory today  fingers crossed  - love his woorim like finish
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2012-Feb-26, 03:18 PM

Going to be a great race, good luck Seal.
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2012-Mar-15, 08:08 PM

Anyone here confident about Sweet Orange in the Derby? Like the horse, but doubt Ferraris's ability (his old man was not a bad trainer though).
The question is - which horse from the Moore camp is the money on - Zaidan, Dan Excel, Military Attack or Dominant? 
Size's horse, Fay Fay, won't stay the trip.
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2012-Mar-15, 10:24 PM

Military Attack will do me. Craig Williams on board so bound to get unders on the tote, But he should go close.

http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20120215&no=08&lang=eng

http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20120304&no=10&lang=eng
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2012-Mar-18, 09:37 AM

Anyone here confident about Sweet Orange in the Derby? Like the horse, but doubt Ferraris's ability (his old man was not a bad trainer though).
The question is - which horse from the Moore camp is the money on - Zaidan, Dan Excel, Military Attack or Dominant? 
Size's horse, Fay Fay, won't stay the trip.

Don't know which one the moneys on?I'm on Dominant.
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2012-Mar-18, 06:27 PM

SWEET ORANGE - looks like it should brain them IMO.
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2012-Mar-18, 06:46 PM

D Whyte too good.  Drew outside, went forward in slowly run race.  Money for the horse late. 
Weichong Marwing, think he'd want the race to be run over again. 
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2012-Mar-18, 06:55 PM

i rate D Whyte as the best jockey in the world
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2012-Mar-18, 07:16 PM

Gets my vote. V competitive over there, and he's be at the top of the tree for 10 years.
C Soumillion is not bad though, and I am sure there will be call for Dettori, Beadman and plenty of others.
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2012-Mar-20, 11:33 AM

Tuesday, March 20 2012

Moore furious at Derby dawdle

Top trainer vows a slow pace will not happen again in classic after his horses - and unlucky favourite Sweet Orange - are injured in troubled race

Alan Aitken

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John Moore. Photos: Kenneth Chan
Many of the best four-year-old racehorses in town were walking wounded yesterday after the stop-start Mercedes-Benz Hong Kong Derby on Sunday, and reigning champion trainer John Moore promised he "won't let that happen again as long as I'm training".

The David Ferraris-trained favourite Sweet Orange returned from the HK$16 million race with cuts to a hind leg after another runner galloped on him, and at least two of Moore's six Derby runners emerged from the classic "cut to bits", he said.

"The winner was up out of trouble in the pathetically slow tempo, while back in the field everyone was trying to stay off the horses in front of them," Moore said.

"Dominant and Military Attack have been cut to bits and most of mine are showing signs of having been galloped on somewhere. Some are front legs, some are back legs but with everybody on each other's backs in that sort of slow tempo.

"I'll tell you this much - it won't be happening again as long as I'm training. In the past, I've had stayers like Mighty High or Viva Macau with a natural front-running racing style that ensures these good races aren't run like the Derby was on Sunday and I'll be looking for more of them."

Moore said the injuries to his four-year-olds were nevertheless superficial and would not significantly interrupt plans for them. "We will look towards the QE II Cup with them and we'll see which of them manages to get an invitation," he said.

Ferraris was equally as upset over the tempo in the race, with Sweet Orange suffering a nasty cut to a back leg, but he said he was extremely disappointed with Tye Angland's ride on his other runner, Liberator.

"I told him to bounce the horse out and lead. It's Liberator's normal style in any case, but it would have prevented what happened with the ridiculous pace, and instead of that, he's jumped Liberator out, had the chance to lead, then looked around and steadied behind Bullish Champion. I have no idea what he was doing," Ferraris said.

"With a true pace, Sweet Orange would have won and maybe we wouldn't have horses coming back with all these cuts and injuries from being galloped on."

Ferraris said he would head for the Champions Mile on May 6 with Sweet Orange in preference to the Audemars Piguet QE II Cup on April 29, and Weichong Marwing will retain the ride.

"I'm happy to avoid the really big horses in the QE II just at this stage," he said. "The injury is really only skin deep above the tendon but it looks ugly and needs to heal and the Champions Mile gives Sweet Orange an extra week."

Bullish Champion, who set the walking pace of the classic, was also reported to have pulled up lame.

John Size reported nothing amiss with Fay Fay, but will "wait and see" regarding the Derby winner's immediate future targets.

"He didn't exactly charge out of the box today looking for the next race," Size said. "He knew he'd had a race. He's been racing since the start of the season and done quite a lot to get to where he did on Sunday, so I'm not expecting he has a great deal more to give. And I won't be asking him to do any more for now, unless he shows me he can do it."

In other news, the Jockey Club has asked the top New Zealand rider James McDonald to ride at the April 1 Sha Tin meeting. Moore said he had already booked McDonald, a rising star, for three mounts.

alan.aitken@scmp.com

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2012-Mar-20, 11:43 AM

(I need to know is there a site listing recent sales of Aussie horses to HK? I have second hand news about a relative's horse being sold for $9 million HK this week. Haven't spoken to the relative so trying to find out the horse's name. Rock something.)

WoW was I given some half info on this. Apparently the horse just recently won in HK winning 9 million HK, Rock something>
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2012-Mar-20, 01:06 PM

Special Week - this might be what you are referring to ...

Records Rock-ed at 2012 Hong Kong International Sale

17/03/2012

A record-breaking 2012 Hong Kong International Sale concluded this morning after an electric session that pushed the aggregate to an all-time high of HK$114.4 million, and saw two sons of Fastnet Rock break the sale’s previous record price.

That deposed top price had been held jointly by Danesis, a HK$7.5 million purchase at the 2006 HKIS, and Celestialblessings who matched that total in last year’s Sale.

But the benchmark was in danger the moment that Lot 11, an Australian-bred Fastnet Rock gelding out of the speedy Verdict Declared stepped into Sha Tin Racecourse’s iconic parade ring. A flurry of bids pushed the two-year-old to a new record, with the hammer falling at HK$8 million.

And just three lots later the record toppled again to yet another son of the in-demand Danehill stallion. The bay gelding (Lot 14) out of the 1200m winner Undercover was knocked down for HK$9 million.

The sale’s overall take was a record for the second successive year, bettering 2011’s HK$94.1 million aggregate, and returned a strong HK$4 million median. The average of HK$4.4 million was slightly down on the HK$4.7 million average registered last year, but was not unexpected given that six more horses were offered this time.

“It is truly a very unique sale,” said William Nader, The Hong Kong Jockey Club’s Executive Director of Racing. “When you look at a sale like this, it is always so impressive to experience the kind of atmosphere and enthusiasm we had today.

“Sixteen of the 26 lots sold for HK$4 million or higher, so it was a very strong sale from start to finish. The Fastnet Rock’s sold particularly well and Lot 11 probably held the shortest-lived record in Hong Kong history!

“It’s a rarity to see such an international sale – we have horses from Europe, Australia, USA and New Zealand all very well presented, and there was great depth with an array of stallions from different parts of the world. In many ways, it was a replica of what Hong Kong racing is – a collection of talent from all over the world, whether people or horses, all coming together to create a great product.

“Hopefully, we can see positive results from this sale in years to come. I always say that the real test of the sale is putting forward good prospects that develop into real racehorses that everyone will appreciate in the coming years.” 

Mark Richards, Executive Manger, International Sale, was delighted with the auction, which also saw Lot 2, a Flying Spur gelding, sell for HK$7 million.

“It was a very pleasing sale and what was most pleasing was that the horses that made good money deserved to do so,” commented Richards. “The star lots brought in the star prices and now they need to go on and prove themselves on the racecourse. I hope they do that and reward their owners with success.

“In general, there was a sense of realism to the sale and the right horses made the right prices.”
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2012-Mar-20, 04:28 PM

(I need to know is there a site listing recent sales of Aussie horses to HK? I have second hand news about a relative's horse being sold for $9 million HK this week. Haven't spoken to the relative so trying to find out the horse's name. Rock something.)

WoW was I given some half info on this. Apparently the horse just recently won in HK winning 9 million HK, Rock something>


Maybe this will help mate?

http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/horse_former_name.asp?frmSortType=FOALING_DATE
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2012-Mar-20, 06:46 PM



Thanks Steve but I am still none the wiser, better contact the uncle for more info.
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2012-Mar-20, 08:38 PM

Thanks Steve but I am still none the wiser, better contact the uncle for more info.


Special Week - I think that you are referring to the top seller at the recent ISG in HK as the guys have noted.  A bay gelding by Fastnet Rock from Undercover that made $HK9 million ($A1,094,811) which was originally purchased at the 2011 NZB Premier Yearling Sale for $300,000.  There has been no horse with "Rock" something in its name winning $9m in HK recently - with the exception of Rocket Man (but I am sure that you are not referring to him).
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