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UK Expert Calls For Artificial Insemination Professor Twink Allen, the former director of Britain's Thoroughbred Breeders Association Equine Fertility Unit in Newmarket, "has stepped up his campaign for the abolition of the rule banning artificial insemination by hitting out at the big stallion owners" & "claiming they are deliberately standing in the way of what he regards as progress", reported racingpost.com. Allen told the International Breeders Seminar at Somerset West near Cape Town in South Africa: "The stallion owners are frightened of change & a few financially powerful ones simply refuse to discuss AI - and it's the numerically larger but financially smaller mare owners who suffer. A handful of wealthy stallion owners are afraid of it & frightened by a change in the status quo. In their minds, they see their stud farms would diminish or disappear." Allen called the AI ban "antiquated" & declared: "We have gone on too long with this attitude of we are not going to talk about it, go away. We must discuss it. AI reduces the risk of venereal disease, mating injuries & uterine infections. It also cuts down on the amount of labour required. People say that it will lead to the most popular stallions inseminating huge numbers of mares, but that's not going to happen. In the American Standard-bred (trotting) world, where they do use AI, the numbers of mares-per-stallion have actually come down, because breeders don't want to flood the market with too many yearlings by the same sire. The same would happen in the thoroughbred world." (Sep 2)
Allen To Address US Breeders On AI Debate Professor Twink Allen "intends spreading" his campaign against the AI-ban "around the globe" noted racingpost.com. "In January he will address a large group of American breeders in Kentucky". Allen "is also in touch with Bruce McHugh, the former Sydney Turf Club chairman who is taking the Australian Stud Book to court"; McHugh maintains the anti-AI rule "is a restraint of trade & therefore illegal". Allen summed up: "It is now high time the existing ban on the use of AI & ET in thoroughbred breeding be reviewed in light of the very obvious potential health, welfare & economic benefits." (Sep 2)
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 2011-Oct-20, 02:47 PM
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here we go again.....this issue has already been done to death on this thread.
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 2011-Oct-20, 06:03 PM
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I know you are cynical but really! Where would the huge money in Chinese racing come from ? Are you sure they have AI, Can you provide a link to a site that suggests this to be true, even an article suggest AI takes place in China. I think you have the Mouawad scenario wrong. I am fairly sure he served mares naturally and got a small handful in foal and one or two of them produced live foals. China used to have an online studbook site that was built exactly like the Australian online studbook site unfortunately it no longer exists or at least I can not find it. http://www.mawww.com/defaulten.aspIts still available http://www.chinastudbook.com.cn/index.ashxCheers
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 2011-Oct-20, 06:06 PM
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Thanks a squillion. Its changed a little since I last looked.
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 2012-Feb-29, 08:11 PM
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7.30 report on AI shows its a matter of when not if.......stallions numbers will reduce as it should increasing gene pool quality.....stallions fees will be reduced with one serve splitting up to 10 ways........yearling prices will bring prices into reach for the buying bench....country owners/breeders will have access to a superior gene pool.........road transport/co2 be massively lowered making labor happy......jobs losses at studs will see more staff available for thoroughbred racing trainers and pre-trainers....its all good bring it on 
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 2012-Feb-29, 08:20 PM
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Porky, I think this is the best thing since sliced bread---can I get your thoughts ?? I saw the the story on 7.30 report---I think AT is the only way to go into the future....but I do understand the other side as well... 
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7.30 report on AI shows its a matter of when not if.......stallions numbers will reduce as it should increasing gene pool quality.....stallions fees will be reduced with one serve splitting up to 10 ways........yearling prices will bring prices into reach for the buying bench....country owners/breeders will have access to a superior gene pool.........road transport/co2 be massively lowered making labor happy......jobs losses at studs will see more staff available for thoroughbred racing trainers and pre-trainers....its all good bring it on  Great that you have complied with forum rules and posted in English. And that you make some valid points. My question is "Do those who support AI accept that our racing industry will become a pariah industry vis-a-vis world thoroughbred racing?"
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 2012-Feb-29, 08:48 PM
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Great that you have complied with forum rules and posted in English.
And that you make some valid points.
My question is "Do those who support AI accept that our racing industry will become a pariah industry vis-a-vis world thoroughbred racing?"
AI will domiate the world industry---might as well go with it....it is what is going to happen..... Live & Learn.....the way going forward..... 
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AI will domiate the world industry---might as well go with it....it is what is going to happen..... Live & Learn.....the way going forward.....  That did not answer JWHs question.
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 2012-Feb-29, 09:19 PM
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That did not answer JWHs question.
Easy, AI will domiate the world horse industry---you must go with it---people will not want to bring stallions here in lieu of AI---- If AUS does not go with it---we will lose--easy answer..... I worry about JWH---he never answers my questions.... 
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 2012-Feb-29, 09:23 PM
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good point jwh with breeding controlled likr oil....has to happen but when/? 
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 2012-Feb-29, 09:32 PM
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Tony Hartnell, said maybe 2 3 or 5 years till others joined us. Who is to say, if case was successful - the bans OS stopping the AI horses from competing wouldn't be challenged 
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 2012-Feb-29, 10:06 PM
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Tony Hartnell, said maybe 2 3 or 5 years till others joined us. Who is to say, if case was successful - the bans OS stopping the AI horses from competing wouldn't be challenged  Who is Tony Hartnell and why is he necessarily right about 2,3 or 5 years? I don't think the U.K. or Dubai would introduce A.I. just because Australia did.
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 2012-Feb-29, 10:10 PM
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The Melbourne and Caulfield Cups would be won by Aussie breds.
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