JWesleyHarding
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Original Post 2010-Jan-18, 11:28 AM
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Top six in Fixed Odds, let's see how many start
SECESSION ROULETTES ELIMBARI SHES GOT GEARS STAR WITNESS SWEET CHEEKS
All but one start, one on third line, one on fourth line of betting, three now out of the window.
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JWesleyHarding
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 2010-Feb-07, 10:06 AM
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Great runs by both, but from a Blue Diamond viewpoint I reckon his was the better.
He showed he could settle, and then bring it home.
Maybe she could do the same thing however in this her first run she high-balled it in front.
If she tries the same in the BD will she get peace in front, or will she be left as a sitting shot?
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 2010-Feb-07, 10:42 AM
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Really they were both very good runs but they are in the past and don't really count from here on, it will be the one that go on from here both should improve but it will be the one that does improve and with young 2 year olds they can go forward but can go back just as fast, how can you possibly declare one over the other?? I have a slight preference for the filly but certainly not enough to outlay any hard earned on her, not at the prices on offer now!!
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JWesleyHarding
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 2010-Feb-07, 10:47 AM
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Really they were both very good runs but they are in the past and don't really count from here on, it will be the one that go on from here both should improve but it will be the one that does improve and with young 2 year olds they can go forward but can go back just as fast, how can you possibly declare one over the other?? I have a slight preference for the filly but certainly not enough to outlay any hard earned on her, not at the prices on offer now!!
I tried to give my reason, however I based it on the past. You say you prefer the filly, if we don't count the past, on what do you base your preference?
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Endangered Spec
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 2010-Feb-07, 11:01 AM
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JWH, I prefered her run yesterday, however as I said it is in the past as is the Colts, can they duplicate it?? even if they are shinsore(depending how shinsore they are) they will probably back up as they only have one 2 year old seasn and it is very hard to resist if you have a chance in a $million race, just saying that a lot of things can go wrong in the next 2 weeks, in the scheme of things if one wins and the other fails you can't go to the Bookie and say "but it was a better run 2 weeks ago" the bookie will still keep your money!!
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 2010-Feb-07, 06:42 PM
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To correct my sectional analysis, B ran 102.45 /last 600 estimate of 33.6 P ran 102.97/33.98 herself for last 600 as she was leading. He came home 2 or 3 lengths better in a race which was faster by 3 lengths overall. Not knocking her, but all she did was face the breeze and she wasn't hassled. He had to chase in a harder race, admittedly margins but thats what the game is about. That'll do me.
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 2010-Feb-07, 07:02 PM
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Reminds me a lot of last year's edition - Rostova Real Saga.. Neither won  Think it might be a different story this year though  Leaning toward Ben though, Crystal Lily will give Psychologist a hard time, if not in fact lead her, and the two of em will set it up for Ben if he gets the runs.
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 2010-Feb-08, 10:02 AM
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ARROWFIELD STUD BLUE DIAMOND STAKES - 1200 METRES
Of $1000000 and $15000 trophy. 1st $600000 and trophy of $15000, 2nd $180000, 3rd $90000, 4th $45000, 5th $25000, 6th $20000, 7th $20000, 8th $20000. For Two-Years-Old. Set Weights. ( GROUP 1). This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $10,000 for qualified horses. No Allowances for apprentices.
| No | Horse | Trainer | Handicapper Rating |
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| 1 | ANDROMACHE (NZ) | Lee Freedman | |
| 2 | BARANGAROO | Mick Price | |
| 3 | BEAU VALLON | Charlie Goggin | |
| 4 | BEDHRAH | David Hayes | |
| 5 | BEG | Peter Snowden | |
| 6 | BELL TREES | Mick Price | |
| 7 | BENETEAU | Paul Messara | |
| 8 | BIT OF A DUDE | Stuart Gower | |
| 9 | CRYSTAL LILY | Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra | |
| 10 | DARKTONIAN | Ern Ewert (Jnr) | |
| 11 | EBONY ROCK | David Hayes | |
| 12 | ECHOES OF HEAVEN | Mick Price | |
| 13 | ELLO ELLO | John McArdle | |
| 14 | EVIDENTIA | David Hayes | |
| 15 | EXCELLENCE | Anthony Cummings | |
| 16 | EXTREMIS | Anthony Cummings | |
| 17 | FOLLONICA | Lee Freedman | |
| 18 | FORGIVEN | Anthony Cummings | |
| 19 | GARVAN | Peter Snowden | |
| 20 | GENERAL TRUCE | Ricky Maund | |
| 21 | GIGSTAR | David Hayes | |
| 22 | GOOD HUNTING | Anthony Cummings | |
| 23 | I'M LOVELY | Anthony Cummings | |
| 24 | INNOCENT GAMBLE | Mark Riley | |
| 25 | LEGALISTIC | David Hayes | |
| 26 | MARMAA | David Hayes | |
| 27 | MCLOADED | John McArdle | |
| 28 | MILESTONE | Lee Freedman | |
| 29 | MISS FIONA | Mick Price | |
| 30 | NEEDS FURTHER | Gai Waterhouse | |
| 31 | NOT QUITE | Troy Corstens | |
| 32 | PANIPIQUE | Peter G Moody | |
| 33 | PELLIZOTTI | Lee Freedman | |
| 34 | PSYCHOLOGIST | Tony Vasil | |
| 35 | QUEEN'S FASHION | David Hayes | |
| 36 | RASEED | David Hayes | |
| 37 | ROULETTES | Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes | |
| 38 | SALIVATE | David Hayes | |
| 39 | SECESSION | Peter Snowden | |
| 40 | SHAAHEQ | David Hayes | |
| 41 | SHE'S GOT GEARS | Robbie Laing | |
| 42 | SHEILA'S STAR | John Symons & Sheila Laxon | |
| 43 | SIENNA GOLD | Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes | |
| 44 | SPIRIT CENT | John Leek (Jnr) | |
| 45 | STAR WITNESS | Danny O'Brien | |
| 46 | SWEET CHEEKS | John McArdle | |
| 47 | TIZONA | Peter Snowden | |
| 48 | TRICKY TRICKY | Leon Corstens | |
| 49 | WHOOPTANG | Wendy Kelly | |
| 50 | WILLOW CREEK | Peter G Moody | |
| 51 | YOUEFFOH | Lee Freedman | |
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 2010-Feb-08, 10:51 AM
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I'll still be on SHAAHEQ
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Little Hawk
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 2010-Feb-08, 02:07 PM
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On Sydney radio today I think both Ron Dufficy and Dean Lester were refusing to right Secession off - saying it was ridden upside down and the market had overreacted (note that I was distracted by someone at work wanting to talk to me  so can't be categorical that it was Secession they were talking about)
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 2010-Feb-08, 07:50 PM
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Thanks for that great information LH. 
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Little Hawk
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 2010-Feb-08, 07:56 PM
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I now can be categorical - listened to start of the podcast
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 2010-Feb-08, 08:24 PM
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On Sydney radio today I think both Ron Dufficy and Dean Lester were refusing to right Secession off - saying it was ridden upside down and the market had overreacted (note that I was distracted by someone at work wanting to talk to me  so can't be categorical that it was Secession they were talking about) I was just going to type that myself I agree with them 
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JWesleyHarding
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 2010-Feb-08, 08:34 PM
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I doubt whether you'd type all that yourself if you didn't agree withm them. 
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 2010-Feb-09, 05:21 AM
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It's no secret that Secession was killed by running up front. But if Secession and Songspur punctured so badly why did General Truce keep going? Beneteau had a wall of horses covering him up on the rail. Getting clear was the hard part, sprinting home for the win was gonna take all the class he had but it was easy with the setup. 
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