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6 - 4.25PM - ROYAL SOVEREIGN STAKES - 1200 METRES
Of $150000 and $1800 trophies. 1st $90000 and trophies of $1300 to owner $250 to trainer $250 to jockey, 2nd $28500, 3rd $14250, 4th $6750, 5th $3750, 6th $2250, 7th $2250, 8th $2250. Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners. For Three-Years-Old Colts and Geldings. Set Weights. ( GROUP 2). No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM
| No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Barrier | Weight | Penalty | Handicapper
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| 1 | MANHATTAN RAIN | Gai Waterhouse | Blake Shinn | 5 | 56 | | 107 |
| 2 | DEMERIT | Peter Snowden | | 1 | 56 | | 95 |
| 3 | VIKING LEGEND | Gai Waterhouse | Nash Rawiller | 8 | 56 | | 92 |
| 4 | MORE THAN GREAT | David Payne | Glyn Schofield | 6 | 56 | | 87 |
| 5 | DELAGO BOLT | Gary Portelli | Nathan Berry (a) | 2 | 56 | | 86 |
| 6 | GATHERING | John P Thompson | Corey Brown | 7 | 56 | | 86 |
| 7 | SHOOT OUT | John Wallace | Stathi Katsidis | 3 | 56 | | 85 |
| 8 | THE MIKADO | Tim Martin | Tye Angland | 4 | 56 | | 75 |
| 9 | SAINT ENCOSTA | John P Thompson | Hugh Bowman | 9 | 56 | | 71 |
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2010-Feb-08, 03:21 PM
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Demerit the second best bet of the weekend.
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2010-Feb-08, 04:43 PM
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I'd be wanting Manhattan Rain to win here if he is going to win the Guineas.  |
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2010-Feb-10, 02:58 AM
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"Manhattan Rain's gallop, which was very wide out on the course proper, was nothing short of outstanding," Waterhouse declared.
"He will bolt in on Saturday - he'll win by a couple of lengths.
"He's a lot sharper going into this race than he has been when he's resumed previously. If he wins the Royal Sovereign as easily as I expect he will and then stays as sharp as he is, then I might run him in the Newmarket Handicap rather than the Australian Guineas.
"But if he shows me that he wants further, then I'll have no hesitation going to the Australian Guineas.
"He's very versatile so we can go either way." http://www.superracing.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/Gai-building-toward-autumn/12166It appears that Gai isn't overly confident by declaring that he'll "only" win by a couple of lengths.  If I were going to have a bet, I'd probably put something on Demerit, but I'll probably just watch this one. |
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2010-Feb-11, 09:01 PM
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Cracking group of 3yo's.
I get irked when the stable can't give you any real indication of where he's running or being aimed at outside of 'everything' just makes it hard to work out how well they're going, what's expected first up [trainers prerogative of course].
Delago Bolt, The Mikado, Shoot Out all underrated types. More Than Great...his trainer would have a pretty good strike rate with horses first up would he not?
And Demerit highly regarded. Any word on what the stable are expecting first up?
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2010-Feb-11, 09:11 PM
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More Than Great...his trainer would have a pretty good strike rate with horses first up would he not?
I've been a fan of this bloke from day 1, but I heard David Payne say that he hadn't progressed much physically and then thought his exhibition gallop and trial weren't great. I'll be happy to him go around this time I think. |
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2010-Feb-11, 09:26 PM
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I've been a fan of this bloke from day 1, but I heard David Payne say that he hadn't progressed much physically and then thought his exhibition gallop and trial weren't great. I'll be happy to him go around this time I think.
Gee I was seriously looking at him, but I think I might have to go Demerit now. Has beaten Trusting and didn't disgrace himself in that brilliant race down the straight in the Spring which my little gun King Pulse nearly pinched. As funny as it sounds despite the Cox Plate run, Manhattan Rain's Spring wasn't that amazing. He was only beating Tickets up in Sydney during his good run, and Tickets proved to be just a B grader 3YO. |
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2010-Feb-11, 10:12 PM
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Hey Elvis...the start before 3rd in the Caulfield Guineas! the start before that he finished alongside Demerit, Trusting, Starspangledbanner.
His 2yo form also has form alongside Headway, Wanted, Phelan Ready.
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2010-Feb-11, 10:18 PM
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I've been a fan of this bloke from day 1, but I heard David Payne say that he hadn't progressed much physically and then thought his exhibition gallop and trial weren't great. I'll be happy to him go around this time I think.
The Payne stable is a gambling one isn't it ? Can you take much notive of what he gives the press ? Does not matter anyway Demerit wins and wins well. |
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2010-Feb-12, 07:12 AM
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So reading Snowden's comments you wouldn't be worried about backing him first up. The fitness is there if he's good enough.
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2010-Feb-12, 07:15 AM
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Great race and a like the toppie but I will definately be putting a line straight through Delago Bolt. Never lives up to his wraps for mine.
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2010-Feb-12, 08:25 AM
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Hey Elvis...the start before 3rd in the Caulfield Guineas! the start before that he finished alongside Demerit, Trusting, Starspangledbanner.
His 2yo form also has form alongside Headway, Wanted, Phelan Ready.
Didn't win any though! |
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2010-Feb-12, 09:33 AM
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Demerit looks llike a good miler/2000m horse in the making. Not sure he'll be that great over sprints. His only 1200m win was a maiden.
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2010-Feb-12, 10:13 AM
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Shoot Out looks overs as does Sweepstaking in r5.
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2010-Feb-12, 10:19 AM
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The Payne stable is a gambling one isn't it ?
Can you take much notive of what he gives the press ?
Does not matter anyway Demerit wins and wins well.
True, though I haven't got the impression that he used the media to set up smokescreens. Certainly you tale notice when there is support for one of his though |
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