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Original Post 2010-Feb-13, 07:04 AM

Patrick Smith From: The Australian February 13, 2010

A FAMOUS Australian racing family is at the centre of unrelated stewards' probes in two states over betting irregularities.
It is believed Betfair integrity officers noted unusual betting patterns in certain accounts and notified stewards in Melbourne and Queensland.

Betting investigations in Victoria and Queensland have been ramped up after Victorian racing stewards broadened an inquiry into the performance of a horse ridden by leading jockey Danny Nikolic at Mornington last month.

Chief steward Terry Bailey would not comment but it is believed Racing Victoria's integrity team was looking at as many as four recent Nikolic rides. "In fairness to everyone involved I cannot comment any further than to say Nikolic has been told the Mornington inquiry has broadened," Bailey said.

In Queensland, trainer John Nikolic, Danny's brother, yesterday faced stewards again after Baby Boom, a short-priced favourite ridden by jockey John Keating, finished fourth. The stewards report after the race said a post-race veterinary examination of Baby Boom failed to reveal any significant abnormalities. Queensland chief steward Wade Birch confirmed yesterday that unusual trends on betting exchange Betfair drove the initial inquiry.

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It is believed this Queensland inquiry may also be broadened to examine several other races which included Nikolic-trained runners. Birch said Queensland racing would be happy to work with Victorian stewards if required.

"At the moment our investigations centre only on the Sunshine Coast race," Birch said.

Bailey would not confirm that different betting patterns on Betfair had drawn the stewards to look at other races in more detail. "We look at all sorts of betting records," Bailey said.

Betfair, an international betting exchange whose Australian base is in Tasmania, allows punters to back horses to lose.

Victorian stewards opened an investigation when odds-on favourite Finishing Card, ridden by Nikolic, was beaten into second place by New Venture in a 1210m maiden at Mornington on January 8. The stewards report on the day said in part: "D Nikolic explained that after jumping from a wide barrier and being caught wide he would have had to restrain to the rear of the field to find cover and therefore allowed the gelding to stride forward."

One newspaper report described the run this way: "The Clinton McDonald-trained Finishing Card drew barrier 13, covered plenty of extra ground and flew home late. New Venture enjoyed a perfect run behind the leader and took advantage of a rails run to win."

Queensland stewards yesterday released a statement after they continued their inquiry into the performance of Baby Boom at the Sunshine Coast on January 3. It read: "Based on information obtained during investigations carried out in respect to betting on the race, the bounds of the inquiry were expanded to include the running and handling of Baby Boom on that day. Of particular concern to stewards was the Betfair activity on the race surrounding Baby Boom which indicated that a large volume of money had been wagered in support of the horse being unsuccessful.

"Trainer John Nikolic and rider John Keating were both questioned immediately following the race and both were directed to appear before the stewards today.

"At today's inquiry, evidence was taken from Mr Nikolic regarding his association with a Gold Coast punter who at this stage has declined requests from stewards to assist in their investigations.

"Mr Nikolic was also asked about the relationship he has with a person believed to be a commission agent based in Melbourne. This person was interviewed by chief steward Wade Birch in Melbourne last week.

"Further evidence was also taken from jockey John Keating who rode Baby Boom on the day in question."

The report concluded saying the inquiry had been adjourned to a time and date to be fixed.

Danny Nikolic, 35, is one of Australia's finest riders, a prolific Group I winner, who has ridden extensively overseas. He won the 2003 Caulfield Cup on Mummify for trainer Lee Freedman. He was stable rider for the prominent Lloyd Williams' team, winning Group Is on Perlin (Doomben Cup, Underwood Stakes) and Reset (Futurity Stakes, Australasian Stakes).

Older brother John had a long stint training in Malaysia before returning to Queensland.

The licensing of betting exchange Betfair in Australia was fought vigorously by the racing establishment. It was seen as a risk to integrity because it was possible to bet on horses to lose. It was also opposed because it was seen as a threat to tote betting which traditionally provided racing's revenue.
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2010-Mar-10, 09:23 AM

I am shocked there has been no mention of Baby Booms 2nd up run at Ipswich.



You and me both. Activity on Betfair before the race suggested it had as much chance of winning the race as I did. And the eventual winner was being backed off the map
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2010-Mar-11, 11:16 AM

Just some friendly advice for Danny's speed map maker.

Hope you can justify your ability to process such info.

Reckon they'll test you to the limit on this one.

****It also amazes me that a PUNTER could afford to give so much time to PEOPLE ringing him just prior to races.  Talking about drawn out conversations on speed maps would personally PISS me right off, if I was a serious punter.

Maybe Danny's "speed " man kept his line only open for him...which ,if true, would surely make matters worse for both.
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2010-Mar-11, 11:50 AM

It wouldn't surprise me whatever the outcome is in the Nikolic and Clements cases. The appeals process in Victoria is a joke.Nowhere in any of the  published decisions on Appeals to the RAD board are reasons given.This is a fundamental requirement in the justice system but not for the RAD. All they say in the briefest reports I've seen is Appeal Dismissed.Maybe they're on auto pilot and are stuck in the Victorian era still. Thumb Down

http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/p_RAD_Board.aspx

OOPS..............Apologies ,I was wrong


The RAD Board page does in fact contain reasons for decision (where they are available) for the majority of the hearings listed on the website:

http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/p_RAD_Board.aspx

If you click on the links and open the PDF file you will see that most decisions follow with a copy of the transcript of the hearing when the decision was handed down.  There are only a handful of decisions on the website that do not contain a copy of the transcript, for varying reasons. 

If you are seeking the reasons for decision in a particular matter and they do not appear on the website please advise and I will endeavour to assist you.

It should also be noted that as per the Rules of Racing, LR 6D (6), the RAD Board is not expressly required to provide written reasons for decision or for these to be published.

Kind Regards,

Georgie Curtis
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2010-Mar-13, 09:11 AM

From TheAge...

'PROFESSIONAL punter Neville Clements has ignored a direction by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board to produce his telephone records as evidence in the inquiry into up to 10 beaten rides of jockey Dan Nikolic.'

Interesting to see the response do stewards make an order then fail to enforce it or at least take action for failing to comply.

Was the obvious move for Clements.
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2010-Mar-16, 03:46 PM


   Finally the phone gets handed over .............and to think i have more confidence betting at Terang today than i would at flemington/caulfield. I still have to worry about Des Okeefes role in this serious matter..........money lost nothing lost..CONFIDENCE LOST we close the game down.
      I wonder who N Clements and his associates have else on their speed dial....makes a mug of someone calling Melbourne racing  an example to the world////my arse  Thumbs Down
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2010-Mar-16, 04:05 PM



Bet "the phone" went through the washing machine cycle first! 
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2010-Mar-16, 04:17 PM

Still can't believe in this Day & Age, that Danny would not be using a
cheap pre paid phone, or even easier a Pre paid Sim card,
Cmon Dan i thought you were smarter than that nowink
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2010-Mar-16, 04:56 PM

Nikolic fined $5,000


MELBOURNE, March 16 AAP - Jockey Danny Nikolic has been fined $5,000 for failing to hand over his mobile phone to Victorian stewards.
The Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board (RAD) issued the fine after a hearing on Tuesday at which Nikolic handed the phone over after being told he would lose his licence if he did not do so.
Stewards asked for a six-month suspension for failing to comply with their directive in February.
The stewards wanted to view his contact list but Nikolic had argued it was enough to give them his phone records.
Nikolic was charged in February with using his mobile phone at Flemington races on January 1 without stewards' permission to contact professional punter and commission agent Neville Clements.
Nikolic claims that Clements does form for him and the call to him was related only to the tempo of the Bagot Hcp (2800m) which he won aboard Atlantic Air.
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2010-Mar-16, 05:29 PM

Des O'keefe at least got one thing right with this matter when he said get rid of Betfair.

Bruce Clarke said that O'keefe had made the silliest statement of the week with his call to ban Betfair as it was Betfair that had raised the issue.

Yeah beauty Bruce, the increased corruption concerns that people had with Betfair getting a license via a tinpot State Govt come to fruition but you think that it is ok because once every so often Betfair, who facilitate this corruption report some anomalies. A pity that they don't do it more often.
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2010-Mar-16, 05:43 PM

Des O'keefe at least got one thing right with this matter when he said get rid of Betfair.

Bruce Clarke said that O'keefe had made the silliest statement of the week with his call to ban Betfair as it was Betfair that had raised the issue.

Yeah beauty Bruce, the increased corruption concerns that people had with Betfair getting a license via a tinpot State Govt come to fruition but you think that it is ok because once every so often Betfair, who facilitate this corruption report some anomalies. A pity that they don't do it more often.




Yeah 100% right grega. I mean there was no corruption in racing before betfair came along was there?  FFS  nowink
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2010-Mar-16, 05:51 PM

Still can't believe in this Day & Age, that Danny would not be using a
cheap pre paid phone, or even easier a Pre paid Sim card,
Cmon Dan i thought you were smarter than that nowink


Not the sort of advice you should be giving jocks mate  lol
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2010-Mar-16, 05:53 PM

Grega

Come off it. Betfair with an extremely sophisticated software program is able pick up more deaduns than have been possible in the past.Do not tell me there were no deaduns before Betfair got the go ahead in Tasmania. If you believe racing was squeeky clean before Betfair, you have had your head too far in the sand for too long . You suggest that Betfair has facilitated horses been pulled up. Clearly Betfair first alerted the stewards to the irregularity in some of their client's accounts when a number of  horses ridden by Nikolic  got beaten. Betfair has nothing to hide and in reality has the most to gain from this enquiry as they will have proven that anyone who wants to cheat other punters will soon be found out and there business model will gain further integrity. What better advertisement for their business when it is known that perpetrators of racing fixing will no longer go near Betfair.
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2010-Mar-16, 06:00 PM


Yeah 100% right grega. I mean there was no corruption in racing before betfair came along was there?  FFS  nowink


Rocky, brilliant reply, you must have given it a great deal of thought.

I have said this before and I will say it again, we just make it so much easier for those corrupt elements with Betfair, and we also encourage those that in the past would not have considered it to have a go as well.

No-one can seriously think that it is not easier, more profitable and more tempting to be corrupt now with the advent of Betfair than it was in the past.

It doesn't even have to be the Jockeys any more, how easy and tempting is it for a battling strapper to nobble one of his charges and lay them.
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2010-Mar-16, 06:08 PM

Rocky, brilliant reply, you must have given it a great deal of thought.

I have said this before and I will say it again, we just make it so much easier for those corrupt elements with Betfair, and we also encourage those that in the past would not have considered it to have a go as well.

No-one can seriously think that it is not easier, more profitable and more tempting to be corrupt now with the advent of Betfair than it was in the past.

It doesn't even have to be the Jockeys any more, how easy and tempting is it for a battling strapper to nobble one of his charges and lay them.


Typical 'head in the sand' statement... we heard all this crap when betfair came in and has it really changed much at all? Short priced favs have been getting beat for 50 years, i am sure strappers have 'nobbled' them way before betfair, and backed the danger, and do you think Harry White got the nickname "handbrake' because he was awesome in a car?? Corruption will always be there... no matter what model you use.


Anyone ever think that maybe Danny Nikolic is just a shit jockey??
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2010-Mar-16, 06:19 PM

Grega

Come off it. Betfair with an extremely sophisticated software program is able pick up more deaduns than have been possible in the past.Do not tell me there were no deaduns before Betfair got the go ahead in Tasmania. If you believe racing was squeeky clean before Betfair, you have had your head too far in the sand for too long


Bubba, far from having my head in the sand thinking that Racing was squeaky clean I could name more than my fair share of cases. At the risk of being repetitive, Betfair makes it too easy and more tempting for more people to corruptly influence a race compared to pre Betfair, and if you don't believe that to be the case then you are the one with your head in the sand.

Can you name any of these deaduns that the sophisticated software from Betfair has picked up? I can think of a few that they should have.
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