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« 2013-Jun-20, 10:00 PM Reply #25 »
Yeah, Kentucky Derby Winner, should have won the Breeders Mile except for a crap ride and romped in the Dubai World Cup.
Who'd pay more than ten bucks for this nag?

Except that Dubai win was against Red Cadaeux, who then franked the form (i.e. it was terrible) in the Prince of Wales.

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« 2013-Jun-20, 11:04 PM Reply #26 »
You suggesting that a mile and two furlongs is RC's ideal distance?

Based on Animal Kingdom's record, I think it might be fair to suggest he didn't run up to his best. 
For whatever reason. 
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« 2013-Jun-20, 11:49 PM Reply #27 »
Except that Dubai win was against Red Cadaeux, who then franked the form (i.e. it was terrible) in the Prince of Wales.

Not sure what Ed Dunlop is doing with Red Cadeaux. Great run in Dubai and Japan and than drops him back to 2000m at his next two.

Strange campaign.

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« 2013-Jun-21, 02:19 AM Reply #28 »
I think he just wanted to show what a weak conveyance Animal Kingdom is. 

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« 2013-Jun-21, 07:53 AM Reply #29 »
Not sure what Ed Dunlop is doing with Red Cadeaux. Great run in Dubai and Japan and than drops him back to 2000m at his next two.

Strange campaign.


Maybe he's not wanting to over tax him with the arc or the Cup on the radar

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« 2013-Jun-21, 02:45 PM Reply #30 »
Red Cadeaux doesn't have a best distance as his win percentage indicates.

While the Dubai World Cup is no longer the race it was set out to be, Animal Kingdom did murder the field he beat though, there was 7 lengths back to the 3rd horse Planteur who had also been 3rd a year previous.
Of the beaten brigade, Meandre was once top 3 in the betting when he ran in the Arc, boasts Group 1 victories at 2400 over Reliable Man, Danedream and ran Orfevre close in the lead up to last years Arc.

Animal Kingdoms last half mile split in the Kentucky Derby has only been bettered by Secratariat and he won off a 6 week layoff.
He ran 2nd in the Breeders Cup Mile off an 8 month break, running his final 200 metres in 10.8 seconds.

His sire won 8 straight in the USA and also ran 2nd in the Breeders Cup Mile.
His Grandsire was champion sire in Argentina and left Invasor who won 11 of 12 including the Dubai World Cup and Breeders Cup.

His dam is a granddaughter of Dancing Brave and his broodmare sire was twice German horse of the year.


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« 2013-Jun-21, 04:30 PM Reply #31 »
All those sire lines are wonderful but what about the dam line. Many believe that's where the quality comes from. Is it fair to say it's a very weak dam line apart from the obviously handy AK?

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« 2013-Jun-21, 06:48 PM Reply #32 »

LEROIDESANIMAUX: The Boy's from Brazil

The status of the South American thoroughbred has been on the rise for the past few decades. Most recently, it has taken another great leap forward with the Kentucky Derby victory of Animal Kingdom, a rare example of a winner of that great race sired by a South American-bred stallion. He is not the first such winner (Gato Del Sol, winner in 1982, was a son of Cougar 2nd, the Chilean-bred stallion who raced so successfully in California in the early '70s before enjoying a very good stud career in the States) but even so the excellence of his win was enough to reflect particular credit on South American bloodstock, writes John Berry.

The South American thoroughbred rightly commands respect throughout the world. The undoubted merit of the best South American horses is a tribute to the astuteness of generations of South American breeders who have imported their stock wisely, often choosing the poorly performed or unraced (and therefore less expensive) members of the most blue-blooded families in both Europe and America. It is now commonplace to see high-class South American-bred gallopers thriving all around the world. Leroidesanimaux, sire of Animal Kingdom, was a classic example: his unraced dam Dissemble brought an impeccable pedigree with her when she was imported to Brazil from Europe, and her son duly proved himself a genuinely top-class racehorse after his export from Brazil to America. Now Leroidesanimaux is proving himself a hugely promising stallion there too, having sired the Kentucky Derby winner in only his second crop.

As has been often observed (most recently in this column last week, when we looked back at the life of Danehill) the purchases which Prince Khalid Abdullah made early in his racing life have stood him in good stead during the subsequent decades. One of his best buys during this formative period was Sookera, a daughter of the 1972 Derby winner Roberto who had carried Robert Sangster's colours to victory in the Cheveley Park Stakes in 1977, when Dermot Weld sent her out to win Britain's best race for two-year-old fillies under his stable jockey Wally Swinburn senior. (Sookera was, incidentally, merely the joint-top-rated two-year-old filly trained in Ireland that year, sharing the honour with another Sangster-owned youngster, the Vincent O'Brien-trained Fairy Bridge who subsequently found even greater fame as the dam of several high-class stallions including the immortal Sadler's Wells). With Prince Abdullah starting to lay the foundations of his Juddmonte breeding operation during the following years, Sookera was one of his mares he bought to get his stud going. She subsequently showed that that decision was inspired.

In the first generation, Sookera's biggest achievement was to breed So Factual (a son of Prince Khalid Abdullah's 1980 2,000 Guineas winner Known Fact) who carried the prince's colours to victory in the Free Handicap in 1993. So Factual eventually won at Group One level, taking the Nunthorpe Stakes in 1995, although his breeder had sold him to Sheikh Mohammed by this time and he won that race for Godolphin. Sookera subsequently bred another good colt for Juddmonte: So Factual's full-brother Bold Fact, born in 1995 when his dam was aged 20 and winner two years later of the world's oldest two-year-old race, the July Stakes at Newmarket. Shortly after this time, however, it began to be clear that Sookera's main contribution to Juddmonte's success would prove to have come via her daughters, rather than via her seemingly more talented sons.

Sookera's long-term influence has stemmed most notably via her winning daughter Kerali, who was by Hyperion's admirable grandson High Line, a high-class stayer in the early '70s who went on to sire numerous successful middle- and long-distance gallopers including the top-class colts Master Willie, Metal Precieux and Crimson Beau, and the 1980 Irish Oaks winner Shoot A Line (who now ranks as the second dam of the 1995 Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes winner Thunder Gulch). Several of Kerali's daughters became good broodmares for Juddmonte, including her Niniski filly Skiable (dam of the 2003 Coventry Stakes winner Three Valleys), her Listed-winning Kahyasi filly Arrive (dam of the 2008 Pretty Polly Stakes victrix Promising Lead and the five-time Grade One place-getter Visit) and her winning In The Wings filly Kid Gloves (dam of the Group/Grade Two winner Treat Gently). However, far and away Kerali's most influential daughter has turned out to be Arrive's Listed-placed full-sister Hasili, dam of the Group/Grade One performers Dansili, Cacique, Champs Elysees, Banks Hill, Heat Haze, Intercontinental and Deluxe. Dansili looks set to ensure that Hasilis influence will last for many years to come, having already proved himself to be a top-class sire.

While Juddmonte has thus raced so many good horses from Sookera and her descendants, it clearly cannot keep every horse which it breeds. No large stud can do that. Keralis first season at stud in 1988 (when she visited the top-class Irish-based stallion Ahonoora, sire of umpteen great horses including the 1991 Derby winner Dr Devious and the hugely influential stallion Indian Ridge, as well as the 1986 Phoenix Park Champion Stakes victrix Park Express who is now best known as the dam of the 2008 Derby winner New Approach) yielded Dissemble, who failed to make the track. As it was not yet clear that Kerali's daughters would be worth their weight in gold and as Bold Fact had not yet done his bit to improve the record of Sookera's descendants, it seemed fair enough that Dissemble should be moved on - hence her being bought for breeding duties in Brazil. Once at stud there she began to excel, which in retrospect is very easy to understand, bearing in mind the success later achieved in this role by her half-sisters. Ultimately she would breed six winners, including the Grade One winner Uapybo and the Grade Three winner Disport, sons of Blush Rambler and Blue Stag (stallions by Blushing Groom and Sadler's Wells respectively who had each shown high-class form in the British Isles, for Sir Michael Stoute and Barry Hills, without quite managing the earn a position at stud there, hence their export to Brazil). Leroidesanimaux, born when his dam was 11, also showed high-class form in Brazil as a two-year-old in 2002, winning one race and finishing second in a Grade One contest. His earnings for this extremely successful campaign (the equivalent of a mere $US 7,477) provide a perfect illustration of why South American owners find it hard to resist extravagant offers made for their best horses - so when the offers came in for Leroidesanimaux, he inevitably headed north.

By leaving South America to race overseas, Leroidesanimaux joined some very famous names, several of them also being sons of his sire, the Blushing Groom horse Candy Stripes. Like Blue Stag and Blush Rambler, Candy Stripes had been a good horse in Europe. However, just as Blue Stag's second place in the 1990 Derby had not been enough to earn him a place at a major European stud, so had Candy Stripes' second place behind No Pass No Sale in the 1985 Poule d'Essai des Poulains not been quite enough of an achievement to see him at stud in Europe. He too had, like Blue Stag and Blush Rambler, failed to win in Group company despite being Group One-placed; and thus he headed to South America to begin a hugely successful stud career, in which he became champion sire of Argentina twice. In time, many of Candy Stripes' best offspring found themselves, like Leroidesanimaux, recruited to race in wealthier nations, most notably Invasor (winner of the Breeders' Cup Classic in 2006 and the Dubai World Cup in 2007), Different (a dual US Grade One winner in 1996) and Eventuail (a Grade One winner in South Africa). Another South American evacuee at around the same time was Candy Ride (a son of the Candy Stripes mare Candy Girl) who won the Grade One Pacific Classic in California in 2003.

Leroidesanimaux's achievements in North America were excellent. Under the care of the late Bobby Frankel, he raced ten times for eight victories. He was only fourth on his Californian debut in January 2004, but he then won his next eight races before ending his career with an excellent second, beaten three quarters of a length by Artie Schiller, in the Breeders' Cup Mile at Belmont Park in October 2005. His wins included one Grade One race as a four-year-old in 2004 (the Citation Handicap over a mile and one sixteenth on the turf at Hollywood Park, with his relative Three Valleys in third place) and two Grade One turf miles the following year (the Frank E. Kilroe Mile at Santa Anita and the Atto Mile by seven and three-quarter lengths at Woodbine in Canada). He took up stud duties in February 2006 at Stonewall Farm in Kentucky, where he remained until the Stonewall stallions were relocated to Florida in the second half of last year.

Lesroidesanimaux's dam Dissemble, incidentally, followed him to America once his merit had been established. It provides food for thought, though, that her relocation to Kentucky has so far proved unable to help her to breed anything of the class of the best horses she produced in Brazil. Covered by Giant's Causeway at Ashford Farm in 2004, she produced Giant Among Men, who was sold for $2.6 million as a yearling at Keeneland in September 2006 but whose 6-race career yielded only victory in a maiden race at Fairyhouse as a three-year-old in 2008 when trained in Ireland by Aidan O'Brien for Derrick Smith.

Leroidesanimaux's first crop has so far thrown up two graded stakes winners: Always A Princess, winner of the Grade Two Indiana Oaks as a three-year-old in 2010 as well as two more Grade Two races this year, and Leroy's Dynameaux, successful in the Grade Three Will Rogers Stakes at Hollywood Park last June. By showing good form this year as a four-year-old, Always A Princess is thriving for the third successive season because she was a good two-year-old in 2009, when she finished second behind the champion Blind Luck in the Grade One Oak Leaf Stakes at Santa Anita. She was not the only high-class juvenile in Leroidesanimaux's first crop because Marfach, trained in Ireland by Jim Bolger, finished second in the same year's Group Three Tyros Stakes at Leopardstown, beaten only half a length by the subsequent Irish Derby and Irish Champion Stakes winner Cape Blanco. The following year, Bolger came up with an even better juvenile from Leroidesanimaux's second crop, Glor Na Mara finishing second in three Pattern races including the Group One Phoenix Stakes at the Curragh (splitting Zoffany and Strong Suit) as well as finishing third behind Frankel and Roderic O'connor in the Group One Dewhurst Stakes at Newmarket.

Now Animal Kingdom, emphatic winner of the Kentucky Derby on only his fifth start and at his first attempt on dirt, has emerged as the best horse yet thrown by Leroidesanimaux. Animal Kingdom looks a realistic chance to land the Triple Crown - but whether or not he lands that hallowed treble, his sire looks certain to be a star stallion of the future.


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« 2013-Jun-21, 06:50 PM Reply #33 »
Its not easy to find anything on his families credentials, Even our studbook entry looks incomplete.
Animal Kingdom (USA) 2008



 chestnut stallionDate of Birth: 20/03/2008 
 Microchip Number: N/A
DNA Typed: N 

 by Leroidesanimaux (BRZ) 2000 
 from Dalicia (GER) 2001
 
  
Female Line
Female Line
Sire of Broodmare
Animal Kingdom (USA) 2008 byLeroidesanimaux (BRZ) 2000
Dalicia (GER) 2001 byAcatenango (GER) 1982
Dynamis (IRE) 1991 byDancing Brave (USA) 1983
Diasprina (GER) 1986 byAspros (GER) 1977
Dorle (GB) 1974 byRheffic (FR) 1968
Diu (GER) 1969 byUtrillo (GER) 1954
Didergo (HUN) 1962 byImi (HUN) 1953
Duzzogo (HUN) 1948 bySultan Mahomed (FR) 1934
Dubiosa (HUN) 1941

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« 2013-Jun-21, 06:53 PM Reply #34 »
DUBIOSA (HUN) b. M, 1941 DP = 0-0-0-0-0 (0) DI = Inf   CD = Inf - ? Starts, 5 Wins, ? Places, ? Shows

DUCE (HUN)
 br. 1932
PAZMAN (AUT)
 b. 1916
PARDON (AUT)
 b. 1896
MORGAN (GB)
 b. 1883
SPRINGFIELD (GB) b. 1873
MORGIANA (GB) b. 1874
PETROLEUSE (GB)
 ch. 1887
PETER (GB) ch. 1876
RED FLAG (GB) b. 1871
PATRIE (AUT)
 ch. 1907
GAGA (GB)
 b. 1889
 GALOPIN (GB) br. 1872
RED HOT (GB) ch. 1884
PATIENCE (AUT)
 ch. 1902
BONA VISTA (GB)  ch. 1889
PODAGRA (GB) br. 1887
DAWA (HUN)
 b. 1923
DOLOMIT (GER)
 br. 1909
 ARD PATRICK (GB)
 br. 1899
ST. FLORIAN (GB) br. 1891
MORGANETTE (GB) br. 1884
DANUBIA (GB)
 b. 1902
SAPHIR (GER) ch. 1894
AUSTRIA (GB) b. 1896
ADORATA (AUT)
 ch. 1913
GAGA (GB)
 b. 1889
 GALOPIN (GB) br. 1872
RED HOT (GB) ch. 1884
ADORA (GB)
 ch. 1904
GALLINULE (GB) ch. 1884
ADMIRATION (GB) ch. 1892 *
ABEBA (HUN)
 b. 1931
BALBINUS (HUN)
 b. 1918
HORKAY (HUN)
 ch. 1902
MATCHBOX (GB)
 b. 1891
ST SIMON (GB)  br. 1881
MATCH GIRL (GB) b. 1882
SEE ME (AUT)
 ch. 1892
STRONZIAN (GER) ch. 1881
SORCERY (GB) b. 1877
BELVEDERE (HUN)
 b. 1899
BONA VISTA (GB)
 ch. 1889
 BEND OR (GB) ch. 1877
VISTA (GB) ch. 1879
BUFF ROSE (HUN)
 b. 1878
BUCCANEER (GB) ch. 1857
CSILLAG (HUN) ch. 1872
AZ A HIRED (HUN)
 b. 1924
DOLOMIT (GER)
 br. 1909
 ARD PATRICK (GB)
 br. 1899
ST. FLORIAN (GB) br. 1891
MORGANETTE (GB) br. 1884
DANUBIA (GB)
 b. 1902
SAPHIR (GER) ch. 1894
AUSTRIA (GB) b. 1896
ARDENTRIVE (GB)
 b. 1905
WILLIAM THE THIRD (GB)
 b. 1898
ST SIMON (GB)  br. 1881
GRAVITY (GB) b. 1884
VIEW (GB)
 b. 1899
MARTAGON (GB) b. 1887
SCENE (GB) b. 1895

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« 2013-Jun-21, 08:05 PM Reply #35 »
It strikes me that his dam line is bereft of any quality

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« 2013-Jun-21, 09:49 PM Reply #36 »
Its a Hungarian family that we know little about.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 03:47 AM Reply #37 »
I believe Kincsem was a Hungarian mare.  Obviously bereft of any quality.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 10:42 AM Reply #38 »
Kincsem won 54 of 54  and had a racetrack named after her.
She is the most successful racehorse ever.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 10:58 AM Reply #39 »
She is also the 17th dam of Camelot.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 11:00 AM Reply #40 »
So, does she appear in the Dam line of AK?

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« 2013-Jun-22, 11:53 AM Reply #41 »
Dam line is a mixture of German,American and British bloodlines.

Strong Stamina influence on the dam side.

Animal Kingdomís dam, Dalicia, was a smart performer in her native county, winning the Gr. 3 Preis der Sparkassen-Finanzgruppe at 11 furlongs, and the ten furlong Professor Hans Merkt-Rennen. She is by Acatenango (by German Derby winner, and outstanding sire, Surumu), a three-time Horse of the Year in Germany, whose triumphs included the German Derby (gr. I), Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud (gr. I), the Grosser Preis von Berlin (gr. I), and back-to-back renewals of the Grosser Preis von Baden (gr. I). Subsequently Acatenango became a highly-successful sire, his offspring winning three German Derbies and a French Derby.  Daliciaís full-sister, Darwinia, is dam of the Black Sam Bellamy mare, Daveron, a listed winner in Germany,  who also carried same Team Valor colours as Animal Kingdom, and gave her owners a remarkable double by taking the Beaugay Stakes (gr. III) at Belmont Park, on the same afternoon as Animal Kingdomís Kentucky Derby (gr. I) victory.

Dynamis, the dam of Dalicia is by Dancing Brave (by Lyphard), and is half-sister to both Champion German Two-Year-Old Filly Desidera, and  to German 1,000 Guineas (gr. I) victress Diacada.  The third dam, Diasprina, was another juvenile champion in German, and the female line has been a very solid one in Germany for several generations. The sixth dam was foaled in Hungary, where the family arrived from England in the early 1900s, and goes back to a mare called Scene (1895), a fairly close relative to Bromus, the dam of Phalaris (the horse to whom the majority of the breed now trace in male-line).

Animal Kingdom is a product of the Blushing Groom/Acatenango cross that has already produced three stakes winners from only 12 starters. The closest duplication in the pedigree is to Northern Dancerís son, Lyphard. He is a Nearco/Court Martial (Fair Trial) cross, and Blushing Groom is bred on a cross of Nearco with Wild Risk (a horse who does very well with Court Martial), with a dam by Fair Trialís genetic relative, Tudor Minstrel. For good measure, Aggressor II, the broodmare sire of Acatenango, is by Combat (granddam, a three-parts-sister to Fair Trial), out of a mare bred on an identical Nearco/Hyperion cross to Nearctic, the grandsire of Lyphard.


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« 2013-Jun-22, 12:01 PM Reply #42 »
Thakns mate, a good read

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« 2013-Jun-22, 12:24 PM Reply #43 »
Damsire Acatenango (GER) raced in Germany and France in the mid 1980s and won thirteen straight races during 1985 and 1986. Among the prestigious races Acatenango won during his career:

●Group 1 Deutsches Derby, 12.0 furlongs (1985)
●Group 1 Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud, 12.0 furlongs (1986)
●Group 1 Grosser Preis von Baden, 12.0 furlongs (1986 & 1987)
●Group 1 Grosser Preis von Berlin, 13.0 furlongs (1986)
●Group 1 Aral-Pokal (now Rheinland-Pokal), 12.0 furlongs (1985 & 1986)
●Group 2 Gerling Preis, 12.0 furlongs (1986 & 1987)
●Group 2 Grosser Preis der Badischen Wirtschaft, 11.0 furlongs (1986)
●Group 2 Hansa-Preis, 12.0 furlongs (1987)
●Group 2 Union-Rennen, 11.0 furlongs (1985)
●Group 3 Grosser Hertie-Preis (now Bavarian Classic), 11.0 furlongs (1985)

Acatenango was the leading sire in Germany in 1993, 1995, 1997, 1999 and 2001.
Animal Kingdom's sire provides him with a decent mix of speed and stamina, while his damsire is a heavy influence of stamina.

According to Bris Sire Stats, the offspring of Acatenango have an average winning distance of 10.5 furlongs, a number rarely produced by American-based stallions.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 12:31 PM Reply #44 »
This guy seems to know what he's talking about, he had Animal Kingdom almost at the top of a short list 6 months out from his Kentucky Derby win.

http://classicchampionthoroughbreds.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/animal-kingdom-has-potential-to-reign.html


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« 2013-Jun-22, 01:18 PM Reply #45 »
Acatenango was also the sire of 1995 Japan Cup winner Lando who in turn sired 2004 Singapore Airlines Cup winner Epalo and Paolini, who ran 2nd in the Canadian International, Singapore Airlines Cup( to Grandera ), Hong Kong Cup and Dubai Duty Free and Arlington Million ( to Sulamani ).

A year later Paolini deadheated for 1st in the Dubai Duty Free as a 7 year old.

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« 2013-Jun-22, 02:16 PM Reply #46 »
Acatenango was also the sire of Borgia, one of the only fillies to win the German Derby.

As a 3 year old filly, Borgia ran 3rd to Pientre Celebre in the Arc and 2nd to Chief Bearhart in the Breeders Cup.

2 years later Borgia was again on an Arc path, running 2nd beaten a short neck by Japanese Champion El Condor Pasa in the leadup, and 7th to Montjeu in the Arc.

She won the Hong Kong Vase at her final start, beating home Indigenous and Rogan Josh.

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« 2016-Dec-24, 12:10 PM Reply #47 »
Nice run by Desert Flower in the first at Scone - Animal Kingdom out of Rory's Jester mare North Flower. DF is a half to stakes winner Wild Rain.

Missed the start and ran on into 2nd place.

Amazingly the winner ran a course record to beat her.

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« 2016-Dec-24, 01:30 PM Reply #48 »
Nice run by Desert Flower in the first at Scone - Animal Kingdom out of Rory's Jester mare North Flower. DF is a half to stakes winner Wild Rain.

Missed the start and ran on into 2nd place.

Amazingly the winner ran a course record to beat her.

North Flower is a half sister to Northerly.

Desert FLower looked very very promising.

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« 2017-Apr-09, 12:41 AM Reply #49 »
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