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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2013-Mar-02, 08:48 AM »
A very talented animal, and - Arrowfield having purchased the breeding rights - potentially a useful addition to Australian breeding ranks this coming season.

A lot more useful than Gio Ponti, who managed only 53 mares in his first and doubtless only season here - what on earth were Arrowfield thinking there?

Arrowfield have got a video diary of AK on the way to the the Dubai World Cup. Not a bad idea, but it's a bit rich trying to spruik him as 'Australia's hope' in the race. He wasn't bred or raised here. He's trained by a pom in the USA. He'll never race here. A wealthy Australian stud owner making a commercial decision to buy a stallion overseas hardly makes him 'Australia's horse'.

Indeed, as it's already certain that he'll start his stud career off here, it could be argued that Australian breeders should be pulling his tail in every race he runs in. His genes won't change, but the more he loses, the lower his service fee.

Unfortunately for Arrowfield, their Animal Kingdom investment didn't kick off quite as well as Vinery's in All Too Hard. He was beaten at odds on in a pretty thin turf G1 in Florida (without being unduly disrespectful to Dynaformer's admirable Point of Entry).

Jon Freyer, whose role at Arrowfield has always been something of a mystery to me, excuses the defeat in the AK diary, blames the jockey etc. We've heard it all before. The horse was disappointing, plain and simple, especially after his astonishing effort in the B C Mile.

And so it's on to the DWC, which has lost caste and relevance since the switch to the Tapeta surface - unless of course you're using it as a prep race for something in Launceston or Presque Isle Downs. AK trains on the surface at home, and unlike many others, shouldn't be disadvantaged by it. He's got a great chance, if only because Team Valor, which bred and still controls his racing career, is expert at aiming the right horses for big money races around the world.

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« 2013-Mar-02, 10:19 AM Reply #1 »
One thing Arrowfield should be applauded for is adding stamina to their list. Whilst Animal Kingdom has shown his class between 1600-2000m at stud he should have no trouble siring middle distant + horses.

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« 2013-Mar-02, 11:40 AM Reply #2 »

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« 2013-Mar-02, 11:33 PM Reply #3 »
One thing Arrowfield should be applauded for is adding stamina to their list. Whilst Animal Kingdom has shown his class between 1600-2000m at stud he should have no trouble siring middle distant + horses.

I agree - he's a very exciting prospect for all sorts of reasons.

But as breeder who'd like to use him, I can do without the usual Arrowfield service fee premium - so I'll be pulling his tail for the rest of the year.

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« 2013-Mar-03, 09:33 AM Reply #4 »
The average fee for a Kentucky Derby winner in his first season is $45,000. Low $16,500 high $110,000

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« 2013-Mar-31, 07:53 PM Reply #5 »
Horse Racing - Horse Racing - Animal Kingdom's racing future undecided

Sunday, 31 March 2013:
A decision on the racing future of Animal Kingdom will be made after the euphoria of his Dubai World Cup win dies down.

Arrowfield Stud boss John Messara, who owns a controlling share in the horse who will stand in Australia, says there are many options.

Late last year Messara bought a 75 per cent interest in the 2011 Kentucky Derby winner from Team Valor and the horse boosted his stud value immeasurably with his convincing win over Red Cadeaux in the $US10 million ($A9.62 million) World Cup (2000m).

Messara said Royal Ascot in June was a possibility but not a certainty while he would also think about whether the horse would stay in training for the next Australian season or go to stud in September.

"We will meet tomorrow in the cold light of day and see what the logistics are," Messara told Sydney's Sky Sports Radio from Dubai on Sunday.

"They are pushing me very hard to take him to England to run at Royal Ascot.

"I'll talk to the trainer (Graham Motion) and see if he can handle it. He's based in America so it's not easy."

Messara claimed the win for his home country and made sure Advance Australia Fair was played after the World Cup.

"The Australian national anthem was controversial because everyone said `what are you doing, this is an American horse'" Messara said.

"I said, `I bought the horse and I'm playing my anthem'."

Messara pursued Animal Kingdom after identifying him as an ideal stud prospect for Australia after seeing him run second in the Breeders' Cup Mile.

"I had been tracking him for some time because he is a Kentucky Derby winner," he said.

"I was able to negotiate a deal to buy three-quarters of him from Team Valor.

"He is the best horse in training in the world at the moment at the distance," he said.

"It gives us another option in Australia because he is almost free of Northern Dancer blood and would mix well with all our Danehill mares.

"He's won on every surface - grass, dirt and all weather - so he is very versatile."

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« 2013-Mar-31, 08:10 PM Reply #6 »
How good is he? Raced on the pace on a dodgy surface that tends to be leaderish and held off a barnstorming Red C who was racing at a distance well short of his best  :chin:

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« 2013-Apr-01, 10:26 AM Reply #7 »
It was an amazing TV screw up that the director had Ed Dunlop celebrating for Red Cadeaux, the joy giving off the impression that he trained the winner.

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« 2013-Apr-01, 07:00 PM Reply #8 »
Love to see a match race between Frankel, Wise Dan and Animal Kingdom over the mile or even a mile and a quarter. 
How come there is no lip-smacking icon?

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« 2013-Apr-16, 01:54 AM Reply #9 »
$38,500

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« 2013-Apr-16, 09:25 AM Reply #10 »
That's how much it will cost me to get a lip-smacking icon on here?  Magic must be rolling in it. 

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« 2013-Apr-16, 04:50 PM Reply #11 »

Motion looking to Queen Anne for Kingdom

Monday 15 April 2013

By Geoffrey Riddle

Graham Motion is leaning towards running Animal Kingdom in the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot in June in preference to the Prince Of Wales’s Stakes.

Motion was at David Lanigan’s Kingsdown Stables on Monday to put in place the Dubai World Cup winner’s training programme following the horse's arrival in Lambourn on April 6 after his blistering performance in the world’s most valuable race at Meydan last month.

Whereas Dubai Millennium added the ten-furlong Prince Of Wales’s Stakes to his win over the same distance in Dubai in 2000, Motion feels the incline at the Berkshire track makes the mile race the better option.

“Your mile at Ascot is much more gruelling and a mile and a quarter to us in the States is like a mile and a half and may just be too much. It is a relief that there is no Frankel,” he said. “The Queen Anne is an interesting option and it is something that I think he can adapt to. That’s the remarkable thing about this horse is that he can do a bit of everything.”

Animal Kingdom was ridden by Joel Rosario in Dubai, which was the first time both horse and rider had raced at the billion-dollar venue.

Rosario previously had gone for home far too early on the five-year-old son of Leroidesanimaux when the pair were beaten by Point Of Entry in a prep race for the World Cup at Gulfstream Park in February.

It was Rosario’s first ride on the strapping chestnut, who has been ridden by Rafael Bejarano, John Velazquez, Alan Garcia, Junior Alvarado and Rajiv Maragh during his 11-race career.

Velazquez was in the saddle when steering Animal Kingdom to his career-defining victory in the 2011 Kentucky Derby and Motion believes the 41-year-old Puerto Rican rider should take the reins for the Royal meeting.

The Eclipse Award-wining jockey rode for Godolphin at Royal Ascot in 2000, partnering China Visit to tenth behind Giant’s Causeway in the St James’s Palace Stakes and Teggiano to second in the Ribbelsdale Stakes.

He made his name in England, however, when riding all five of Wesley Ward’s American challengers in 2009 including when guiding Jealous Again to a five-length victory in the Queen Mary Stakes.

For Motion, Velazquez’s Ascot experience is crucial, especially as the Queen Anne is the first race of the meeting.

“It is asking a lot for an American jockey to ride here if he hasn’t ridden here before, it is not as if he can watch a race first,” Motion said.

“The constant change of jockeys has been a source of frustration for me. I don’t like the idea of putting someone new on him for what is possibly his last race.

“Velazquez is one of the best jockeys in the world. He has ridden Animal Kingdom before and has won at Ascot so is the logical choice.”

Animal kingdom at kingsdownGraham Motion is on a whistle-stop visit to England to oversee Animal Kingdom's training programme 

Animal Kingdom has done little with travelling head groom Alice Clapham since striding clear of Ed Dunlop’s Red Cadeaux in Dubai but will work for the first time in his new surroundings on Tuesday.

Motion had not seen Animal Kingdom since two days after the Dubai World Cup but believes his charge is ready to step up a gear after fortnight off.

“I’m very pleased with him,” Motion added. “He has had an easy two weeks. I wouldn’t say he has put all his condition back on but I’m pleased with how healthy he looks and how bright he is.

“We’re going to press on but if there is any reason he shows us he is not up to it we are not going to force the issue.

“As long as he continues to work well and it all goes smoothly we will take a shot.”

Animal Kingdom would become the first Kentucky Derby winner to run at Royal Ascot since Omaha in 1936 and Coral go 7-2 that he wins any race at the Royal Meeting.


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« 2013-Jun-17, 08:30 AM Reply #12 »
Geez, I'm getting very tired of Arrowfield's Tom Waterhouse-like blanket media coverage trying to whip up enthusiasm for 'Aussie' Animal Kingdom's bid for Royal Ascot glory in the Queen Anne. It has nothing to do with Australian national pride, but is all about brand recognition for the horse as an Arrowfield stallion, no more, no less.

We've got Dopey Dave Raphael as the horse's media flack, tweeting every time he eats an oat or takes a dump.

Half of Sky Channel's 'Bred to Win' last Saturday was consumed with the horse's 'sporting' owners taking a shot at Royal Ascot and just how tough it's going to be.

They're kidding of course. The Queen Anne has fallen away to a G3 standard field, and if the horse is half as good as they say, it should be a walk in the park for him.

The second favourite, Declaration of War, had his arse handed to him when a false favourite in the Lockinge, the race one UK trainer calls the worst G1 on the calendar. He was beaten more than 11 lengths. His best win on turf was a 5 runner listed race at Leopardstown.

The third favourite, Elusive Kate, is G1 class against fillies, but is yet to prove herself up to that grade against the boys.   

Nothing else in the race has come within a bull's roar of winning a G1.

It's not Animal Kingdom's fault that post-Frankel and even Excelebration, the older milers' ranks are thin, but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and this year's Queen Anne is indeed a porcine auditory organ.

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« 2013-Jun-17, 12:35 PM Reply #13 »
Animal Kingdom would have to be off his game to lose this and it is a very foreign race for he and his jockey. Provided Trade Storm is 10/1+ ill have something on him.

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« 2013-Jun-17, 01:15 PM Reply #14 »
I agree re Trade Storm.

He looked fabulous in Dubai until Spencer (the Irish Maxime Guyon) butchered him in the Duty Free.

My reservation is that plenty of nags have looked fabulous in Dubai only to be ruthlessly exposed when they hit the real stuff later in the season e.g. David Junior, Gladiatorus, Cityscape etc.

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« 2013-Jun-19, 08:59 AM Reply #16 »
Animal Kingdom very plain last night.

As usual, the betfair layers knew what they were doing. After being as short as 8/11 in the week leading up to the race, AK got out to better than 6/4 on the exchange at jump time.

I think it's great that AK took on an admittedly substandard Queen Anne, but we keep hearing about how sporting it was of the owners to do so. I'm not so sure about that.

I don't remember such accolades being afforded to Coolmore when they sent Dylan Thomas, Giant's Causeway, George Washington and co to race in the US on dirt, instead of taking on the softer US turf races. That's probably because it had more to do with the business of trying to make their animals more attractive to the yanks as stallion prospects, which would give them the option of standing them in US.

And so it was with Animal Kingdom, despite all the hype. A Royal Ascot win carries with it significantly more cachet here than a Kentucky Derby (where is Super Saver these days?) and a Dubai World Cup on a weird surface.

As AK's best turf form is in the States, why would Australian breeders regard him as any more suitable for our conditions than, say, Gio Ponti?

He served 53 mares last season   

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« 2013-Jun-19, 09:53 AM Reply #17 »
No surprised about the flop either mate. A very small part of me also enjoys seeing the hype that is rammed down our throats thrown back up :whistle:

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« 2013-Jun-19, 10:59 AM Reply #18 »
I always forgive a horse one bad run.  Particularly when they have a history of leg problems.  
There is no way that was AK's normal level of performance.
To suggest otherwise is folly.  

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« 2013-Jun-19, 09:09 PM Reply #19 »
$38,500 fee

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« 2013-Jun-19, 09:14 PM Reply #20 »
$38,500 fee


  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  and some will pay it  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   my side hurts

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« 2013-Jun-19, 11:52 PM Reply #21 »
Yeah, Kentucky Derby Winner, should have won the Breeders Mile except for a crap ride and romped in the Dubai World Cup.
Who'd pay more than ten bucks for this nag?

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« 2013-Jun-20, 12:19 PM Reply #22 »
Big Brown Vs Animal Kingdom.

Big Brown covered 131 mares at $44,000

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« 2013-Jun-20, 04:31 PM Reply #23 »
Animal Kingdom represents significantly greater value than All Too Hard and Pierro but slightly  lesser value than Ocean Park.


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« 2013-Jun-20, 04:48 PM Reply #24 »
Any one have a catalogue style page for him. Love to see what his siblings have done. Any other black type on previous generations?




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