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O.P. « 2018-Jun-17, 11:51 PM »
This filly by Deep Impact ex Shamrocker, the 3 time G1 winner in these parts, debuts over about 2400m at Doncaster in about 20 minutes.

Trained by James Fanshawe, to be ridden by George Wood.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 12:16 AM Reply #1 »
She's terribly slow.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 08:05 AM Reply #2 »
We have plenty of slow DI's in Japan.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 08:37 AM Reply #3 »
There was an Australian Deep Sea many years ago  trained if I remember correctly by the legendary H F Best I remember its colours vividly Black Yellow sleeves Red cap.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 12:25 PM Reply #4 »
She's terribly slow.


I tend to think when European and Japanese trainers start them off over 2400m they are not showing much at home and the trainer has quickly made the assumption they are slow.

1600-2000 tends to be the starting point for good staying types.

If Aiden or Gosden start them off over further you can put a line through them as potentially top class.


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« 2018-Jun-18, 12:35 PM Reply #5 »
Having just watched the race I would not give up on her either winning a maiden or a handicap when she gets a mark.

The winner is very smart.

She was green and when the pressure went on she went with them before condition gave out. I quite liked what I saw.


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« 2018-Jun-18, 02:19 PM Reply #6 »
Yes, indeed, if they're kicking off late in life over 2400m, you can bet its because the trainer doesn't think the horse will be competitive at under that trip.

She reminds me of Hydrogen, who raced in the same colours, but cost more than quadruple Deep Sea's purchase price of AUD$1.2m+.

He too was slow to mature and slow at the gallop. Debut over a mile and half, get beaten out of sight.

Deep Sea won't be going into my blackbook.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 02:45 PM Reply #7 »
She has gone into my blackbook just to see where they go with her.

I think the winner will get a high rating and be competitive in group company.

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« 2018-Jun-18, 02:57 PM Reply #8 »
Winner was well beaten at his 2 prior runs, as was the short priced runner up. 

They both beat Deep Sea by a big space.

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« 2018-Jul-03, 12:45 PM Reply #9 »
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KEMPTON (A.W), 100% Profit Boost At 32Redsport.com "Confined" Fillies' Novice Stakes (Not Run More Than 3 Times) Cl3 1m3f219y
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« 2018-Jul-03, 12:46 PM Reply #10 »
Very tough looking novice.

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« 2018-Jul-05, 12:31 PM Reply #11 »
http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/video/20180704/2792752/16674225

j.r.b, I honestly suspect she has run in 2 very tough quality races so far.
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« 2018-Jul-06, 10:07 AM Reply #12 »
The 1st and 2nd from her debut haven't run since. The 3rd horse, Pegasus Kid, was 2nd at his next start in a maiden at Wolves - beaten 11 lengths.

The winner at Kempton might be a decent horse, as might the winner of the Doncaster maiden, but Deep Sea was a long way behind both of them.

She's not been closer than 12 lengths and 14 lengths from the winner at her 2 outings.   

She won't be getting any of mine anytime soon.

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« 2018-Jul-06, 12:32 PM Reply #13 »
As soon as she gets her handicap she will get mine  :)

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« 2018-Jul-30, 11:05 AM Reply #14 »
Dropped back in trip to 2300m to run 3rd of 4 in a fillies maiden at Lingfield on 21 July.

Hard to judge the value of the form, as the first 2 were previously unraced, as was the 4th horse home. However, the suspicion must be that it's not much good, as the time was diabolically slow.

She'll have a handicap mark now. 

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« 2018-Jul-30, 12:06 PM Reply #15 »
I hold great hopes for her still.

She was beaten by two very smart fillies who certainly outclassed her.

My guess is, Deep Sea will get a mark of about 80.

The first two will be aimed at a novice and than straight into black type races.


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« 2018-Jul-30, 12:10 PM Reply #16 »
I hold great hopes for her still.

She was beaten by two very smart fillies who certainly outclassed her.

My guess is, Deep Sea will get a mark of about 80.

The first two will be aimed at a novice and than straight into black type races.

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-ratings/ratings-database/#!?q=deep%20sea

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« 2018-Aug-08, 11:42 AM Reply #17 »

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« 2018-Aug-23, 11:57 AM Reply #18 »
 :censored:  sake they ar going all weather.

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CHELMSFORD (A.W), totepool Cash Back Club At totesport.com Novice Stakes Cl4 1m5f66y
Jockey: George Wood
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« 2018-Aug-25, 03:26 AM Reply #19 »
First off the bridle and beaten 100 yards or more over 2600m.

She's appallingly slow.

She - and this thread - should be retired forthwith. 😉

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« 2018-Aug-25, 09:03 AM Reply #20 »
Still disagree.

I will judge her in a handicap on turf.

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« 2018-Sep-02, 06:55 PM Reply #21 »
Avdulla managed to lift the full brother, Satono Gloire, over the line at Kokura over 2600m.

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« 2018-Sep-02, 08:01 PM Reply #22 »
Avdulla managed to lift the full brother, Satono Gloire, over the line at Kokura over 2600m.

Wonder if he wears spurs over there ?

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« 2018-Sep-03, 10:13 AM Reply #23 »
Wonder if he wears spurs over there ?

Art. 95 A jockey must not ride in a race using spurs. Provided, however, this shall not apply in the event the Steward of the Meeting deems there is a compelling reason.

2. Even in case of the proviso of the preceding Paragraph, the jockey must not ride in a race using spurs with sharpened protrusion, or, bent inward.

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« 2018-Sep-03, 12:19 PM Reply #24 »
Art. 95 A jockey must not ride in a race using spurs. Provided, however, this shall not apply in the event the Steward of the Meeting deems there is a compelling reason.

2. Even in case of the proviso of the preceding Paragraph, the jockey must not ride in a race using spurs with sharpened protrusion, or, bent inward.

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