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O.P. « 2010-Jul-25, 12:11 PM »
Tremendous race - tremendous performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7pEsp2WKc - great scenes after the race !

Harbinger of zoom scales the heights

Stouteís star hammers his King George rivals and is now short-priced favourite to land a first Arc for his trainer

By Sue Montgomery at Ascot

There is an adage that states - cynically or realistically, depending on your point of view - that if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. Seven weeks ago the racing world hailed as the possible second coming of Pegasus a Derby winner who took the great race by seven lengths in a record time.

Yesterday the superlatives flowed for Harbinger, who won the 50th running of the sport's great all-aged summer showpiece, the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes, by an even wider margin, 11 lengths, in a course record time. And that Epsom hero, Workforce, trailed in fifth of six runners as 8-11 favourite, beating only his pacemaker.

Whether or not that makes yesterday's winner Pegasus's fleeter half-brother incarnate, and worthy of being made even-money favourite for the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in Paris in early October, will be revealed only by time. But undeniably, his effort here was visually astounding, even to his trainer Sir Michael Stoute, who also has charge of Workforce and who has been in the business for more than 40 years, long enough to have worn most t-shirts.

"It wasn't a shock he won," he said, "but the way he won was. You don't see that sort of performance too often; it was absolutely breathtaking. You could see he was looking good from a long way out. He was always just cantering."

Harbinger was Stoute's fifth King George winner, after Shergar, Opera House, Golan and, last year, Conduit. The first-named was a brilliant three-year-old, the other four late-maturing older horses of the type with which their trainer excels.

The four-year-old was the catch ride to end catch rides for Olivier Peslier after stable jockey Ryan Moore opted to stick with the colt who had given him his first Derby in such spectacular style. He anchored Harbinger in fourth place as Confront dashed to the front to fulfil his trailblazing duties, followed by Workforce and his contemporary Cape Blanco, winner of the Irish Derby.

But, as the two three-year-olds, still running as if in double harness, went past the hare early in the straight, it was apparent that as far as Peslier was concerned it was a matter of when, not if, as he cruised alongside. The moment came approaching the furlong marker, when he gave his mount the slap that evoked an instant, electrifying response that left his rivals, headed by Cape Blanco, leaden-hooved.

"You cannot imagine how I felt in the last furlong when I looked up at the big screen and saw the others so far behind," he said. "I had hardly had to ask him anything, and when he did go it felt as if he was flying, and he kept flying. Today, he was a king."

Harbinger is owned by one of the up-market Highclere syndicates managed by Harry Herbert; its 20 members paid £36,500 apiece to cover purchase (£189,000 as a yearling) and training costs. The son of Dansili has proved a worthy investment; his share of yesterday's £1 million Betfair-sponsored purse was £565,000, but that is back-pocket change alongside his value as a potential stallion.

Before his second career, though, he must finish his first and the Arc is the one gap on Stoute's CV. "It will certainly be considered," he said. "He has done nothing but progress this year. He has matured physically as an athlete but his great quality is his mind. He is level-headed and sensible and worries about nothing."

Cape Blanco, staying on gamely as Workforce faded, took the three-year-old bragging rights for Ballydoyle, three and a quarter lengths in front of perennial best man Youmzain, who added a third King George placing to his three Arc runner-up spots.

"He ran his heart out," said Aidan O'Brien of Cape Blanco, "never stopped trying, and he's still progressing." The chestnut may drop back in trip to the ten furlongs of next month's York International; the stable has another of the season's best four-year-olds, Fame And Glory, reserved for the Arc.

As for Workforce, Stoute promises there will be another day. "We've never pitted him an Harbinger against each other at home," he said, "so I really didn't know which had the best chance today. Ryan said afterwards that he was a bit on edge, a bit keen, and that the ground was quicke enough for him. But this was only his fourth race. He'll be back."

The caravan moves on to Goodwood this week, with the next Group 1 pitstop Wednesday's Sussex Stakes, the season's first elite all-aged clash over a mile, with Cape Blanco's stablemate Rip Van Winkle, last year's winner, set to test the mettle of the star three-year-olds, headed by the Richard Hannon-trained Canford Cliffs.

With his first outing of the campaign, a sixth place at Royal Ascot, under his girth O'Brien is relishing seeing the four-year-old square up against the younger horses. "He was a bit fresh at Ascot," he said, "but he's come on a lot since then. It's going to be an interesting race."

Before Cape Blanco emerged as leader of the three-year-old pack, hopes down Co Tipperary way were pinned on St Nicholas Abbey. Ruled out by a minor injury after failing as favourite in the 2,000 Guineas, O'Brien reported yesterday that the colt is now back in routine exercise and the faith is still kept that he may prove a champion. There remains the intriguing possibility that he will remain in training as a four-year-old. Watch this space in 12 months' time.

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« 2010-Jul-25, 04:56 PM Reply #1 »
But, as the two three-year-olds, still running as if in double harness, went past the hare early in the straight,

What does the writer mean with this comment ?

When I read that it sounds like they are travelling quite well within themselves, the jockeys having a good hold of them, but those of us who saw the race know that was not the case.

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« 2010-Jul-26, 12:34 AM Reply #2 »
Would have been a coup to get him for the Melbourne Cup, but the Arc looks the target.

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« 2010-Jul-26, 07:59 AM Reply #3 »
Man, that was a win.  Fantastic acceleration.
For those that haven't seen it, here it is:


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« 2010-Jul-26, 06:49 PM Reply #4 »
And gets a 142 provisional Timeform rating of 142 !

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« 2010-Aug-01, 01:17 PM Reply #5 »
Harbinger wins the king george vi and queen elizabeth stakes ascot 24.07.2010

Harbinger: highest rated horse in the world following Ascot demolition job

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Harbinger could make Juddmonte return

HARBINGER could make a quicker than expected return to action after it was revealed that the Juddmonte International at York was being considered ashis next race.

The Sir Michael Stoute-trained four-year-old, the highest-rated horse in the world following his 11-length victory in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes at  Ascot eight days ago, is being aimed at the Prix de líArc de Triomphe in October.

However, his trainer has advised Harbingerís owners Highclere Thoroughbred Racing that the son of Dansili can race again before Longchamp, although it will cost them £50,000 to supplement the colt for the York race.

Highclere spokesman Harry Herbert told their website on Saturday: "The horse looks really well and Sir Michael reports that he has now put back all of the weight that he lost during the race.

ďHe feels that it is too long a gap between now and the Arc for Harbinger not to have another race and, with this in mind, we are seriously considering running him in the Juddmonte International on August 17."

Should Harbinger run in the 1m2f Juddmonte International it would be his first run at a distance of less than 1m4f since he lost his maiden tag at Chester in May last year.

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« 2010-Aug-01, 06:11 PM Reply #6 »

Harbinger put up a scintillating display to win the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes by 11 lengths at Ascot over the weekend to earn a Timeform rating of 140. One of the handicappers behind that rating, David Johnson explains the process of how that figure was reached.

"A 140 rating puts Harbinger in the top dozen performers that Timeform has rated, alongside Dancing Brave, Shergar, Vaguely Noble and Sea The Stars, and behind only Sea-Bird (145), Brigadier Gerard and Tudor Minstrel (144), Abernant, Ribot and Windy City(142) and Mill Reef (141)"

As much as many have tried, there is no denying that Harbinger's 11-length win in Saturday's King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Sponsored by Betfair) marks him down as an outstanding colt. Rated 131+ prior to Saturday, his revised rating stands at 140, marking him out by far the best horse in the world currently in training, 6 lb ahead of Rip Van Winkle (134), whose rating comes from his 2009 form.

Timeform fully recognises the historical significance placed on their ratings within the industry, and a rating of 140 certainly wasn't arrived at lightly and without due diligence. We continue to hear of 'yardsticks' when people are discussing handicap ratings but, assigning a horse as having run its race and basing the entire assessment of the race on that premise, isn't the way we handicap races at Timeform. References like 'Youmzain is just about as solid a yardstick as can be found' is surely bogus, as even that horse's record in just the King George - beaten four lengths by Dylan Thomas in 2007, nine and a half lengths by Duke of Marmalade in 2008 and now fourteen and a quarter lengths by Harbinger - will testify.

Rather than try to guess which of Harbinger's rivals 'ran their race' or is 'the one to rate the race around', the first thing we do is produce a 'standard' for the race that objectively takes into account the difference at the weights of the runners and makes an adjustment for the likely strength of the form through the field size. The standard for this year's King George compared to the last 5 runnings of the race is 138/135/138/140/138 (most recent race first).

However, it could be argued that this year's King George was rather different in make up to those of recent seasons as it is the first year since Alamshar won in 2003 that there has been a meaningful representation from the classic crop. A standard compared to the years of 2004 to 2000 would read 138/140/140/139/143. Either way, whether looking at the race through a five-year or ten-year perspective, a rating of 140 for Harbinger isn't hard to justify.

Race standards are an excellent guide to rating horses with a limited amount of form to go on, but races like the King George are contested by horses we know quite a bit about, and we can use their previous form to calculate a different standard for the race (more on this can be read about in greater detail here). Using this methodology to rate the King George would suggest a rating of 142 for Harbinger.

The third key aspect we have for helping us to compile as accurate a rating as possible for any individual race is the overall race time. Form is probably a more key component than time in the ratings that are printed in our racecards and Black Books these days, but the time of a race is still very important in giving support to how solid a form rating is. You'd be far happier to expect a horse that finished fifth in a Lingfield maiden with a form rating of 72 and time figure of 70 to be able to reproduce that form rating than a horse with a similar form rating but a time figure of just 27. The timefigure for Harbinger returned at 'only' 135, is still one of the best over the last 20 years, and it is because the timefigure is unable to fully back up the form rating that we are happier to rate Harbinger 140 for the time being rather 142.

Using the overall race time in isolation though sometimes has its flaws and it is a pity that a flirtation with sectional times being produced and placed in the public domain has ultimately come to nothing in British racing. However, that doesn't mean that you can't produce your own and I am grateful to Simon Rowlands for sharing these. An analysis of the time recorded for the last 3f of each contender compared to the overall race time they recorded suggests that Harbinger was the only runner in the King George to run evenly.

Expressing the horses' finishing speeds as a percentage of their average overall speeds comes up with figures of: Harbinger 99.7%; Cape Blanco 95.5%; Youmzain 95.4%; Daryakana 95.4%; Workforce 93.7%; and Confront 91.4%, where a figure of around 100% would be optimum. This seems to confirm that the overall margin of victory was exaggerated somewhat by the beaten rivals running an uneven pace.

Poundage allowances for margins beaten need to be sensitive to the conditions under which they occur, and the pounds-per-length we used on Saturday - on good to firm ground and with the horses running at fast speeds - was greater than would usually be the case at a mile and a half. However, the evidence of the sectionals is that the beaten horses need to be rated a minimum of 5 lb better than the result. In practice, this is why Harbinger's master rating is 140, having recorded a performance figure of 140 in the race, Cape Blanco is 125/120 and the rest are further below form than simply allowed for by their closing sectionals, with Youmzain 123/113 and Daryakana 119/110.

In terms of a historical significance, a 140 rating puts Harbinger in the top dozen performers that Timeform has rated, alongside Dancing Brave, Shergar, Vaguely Noble and Sea The Stars, and behind only Sea-Bird(145), Brigadier Gerard and Tudor Minstrel(144), Abernant, Ribot and Windy City(142) and Mill Reef(141). Here's hoping he stays fit and well, as he has the form to carry all before him at middle distances for the rest of the year.


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« 2010-Aug-07, 10:39 PM Reply #7 »
Injured. Sounds like retirement.  :(

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« 2015-Jan-18, 04:50 PM Reply #8 »
Gets his first group winner in Japan.


Onwards and upwards.

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« 2015-Jan-21, 11:51 AM Reply #9 »
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Kyoto1600 metres3yo
1.GUANCIALE by Screen Hero--Chuo Saya, by Diablo
bred by Chuo Bokujo (JAPAN)
trained by Y. Kitade
ridden by Y. Take
2.LORD FELICE by Harbinger--Lady Charm, by Sunday Silence
bred by K.I. Farm (JAPAN)
trained by M. Kon
ridden by H. Shii
3.NAVION by Heart's Cry--Yukino Sweet Pea, by Last Tycoon
bred by Hamamoto Bokujo (JAPAN)
trained by K. Hashiguchi
ridden by Y.  :censored: unaga
Margins- head, nose

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« 2015-Jan-21, 11:52 AM Reply #10 »
(Gr 3)
Nakayama2000 metres3yo
1.BERUF by Harbinger--Les Clefs D'or, by Sunday Silence
bred by Shadai Corporation Inc (JAPAN)
trained by Y. Ikee
ridden by Y. Kawada
2.BLACK BAGO by Bago--Stay With You, by Stay Gold
bred by Northern Farm (JAPAN)
trained by M. Saito
ridden by M. Ebina
3.KLUGER by King Kamehameha--Addicted, by Diktat
bred by Northern Farm (JAPAN)
trained by T. Takano
ridden by H. Uchida
Margins- nose, neck

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« 2015-Jan-21, 01:52 PM Reply #11 »

Keisei Hai (Gr.3) at Nakayama over 2,000 metres on Sunday was taken by Beruf, a nose in front of Black Bago. Beruf, bred at Shadai Farm, won the first black-type victory for his sire Harbinger. He triumphed only a week after another Harbingerís son, Lord Felice, finished second in the Sho Shinzan Kinen (Gr.3), becoming the very first Harbingerís product successful in a black-type race. Both are out of dams by Sunday Silence.

I donít think we will find a major racing country, neither today, nor in the past, in which a single stallion could dominate so much over the others as Sunday Silence did in Japan. There is no need to list his thirteen sire championships, nor 171 black-type winners among the Japanese champions. The stallion has changed, to a considerable extent, the thoroughbred breeding in Japan and helped Japanese racing in its expansion to foreign racecourses.

It has its negative aspect too, namely the huge share of Sunday Silenceís progeny among Japanese sires and broodmares, for whom new partners have to be searched abroad. Japanese breeders can hardly avoid inbreeding to Sunday Silence and the victory of the three-year-old Not Formal, 3x3 inbred to Sunday Silence, in the Fairy Stakes on January 12, was the first black-type victory of a horse inbred to Sunday Silence.

You may remember our recent article on Deep Impact and his achievements with imported mares. This, too, seems to be the way to go and Shadai Farm walks it with a great success Ė all over the world they buy attractive mares who could be suitable partners for their most successful Sunday Silenceís son. As you will find in the article, 40 per cent of all Deep Impactís progeny in Japan was born out of imported mares.
When Shadai Farm chose as their new sire Dansiliís son Harbinger, following his impressive triumph in the 2010 King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes, his theoretically good combination with daughters and granddaughters of Sunday Silence was no doubt one of the key factors in the selection, with excellent Almahmoud playing a role in the connection. Harbinger is a grandson of Danehill, 3x3 inbred to Natalma, the daughter of Almahmoud; Harbingerís damsire is Bering whose sire Arctic Tern is a grandson of Almahmoud and more influence of Almahmoud is brought in by Northern Dancerís sons NijinskyLyphard and Shareef Dancer.

In total, Harbinger is 6 times inbred to Almahmoud. Sunday Silence is a son ofHalo, the grandson of Almahmoud, moreover a significant part of his successful daughters has blood of the former ruler of Japanese breeding,Northern Taste, therefore the combination of Harbinger with daughters and granddaughters of Sunday Silence is characterised by multiple linebreeding to Almahmoud. Sunday Silence himself has not been given a chance with many Danehillís daughters but a third of the progeny of twelve won a black-type race, including the winner of the Australian Oaks (Gr.1) Sunday Joy. From the reverse combination, i.e. the connection of a sire from Danehillís line with the daughter or granddaughter of Sunday Silence, Fastnet Rockís son Your Song, the winner of the Gr.1 BTP Cup, was the best so far.

Now the first three-year-olds by Harbinger come to the racecourse and it is they who will, to a certain extent, decide how such a connection will be used in future. If we look at the pedigrees of all Harbingerís products, it has to be said that the breeders in Japan have a trust in such a combination. In 2012, 2013 and 2014 crops, Harbinger has 418 products, of which 83%, i.e. 348, are out of dams who have Sunday Silenceís blood. Most often these are Sunday Silenceís daughters Ė they have produced 120 of Harbingerís progeny so far. Another 148 products come out of dams whose sires are sons of Sunday Silence and if we take into account that all of these come from the stallionís first three crops, we can says that the Harbinger x Sunday Silence cross is one of the most frequently used connections today. Just to illustrate the point: the Equiline database registers 215 foals of racing age with the most popular nick in Europe, Galileo with daughters of DanehillÖ

Damsires of Harbingerís progeny with the highest number of products

Stallion (sire)No of products
AGNES TACHYON (Sunday Silence)43
DANCE IN THE DARK (Sunday Silence)24
FUJI KISEKI (Sunday Silence)24
SPECIAL WEEK (Sunday Silence)17
FRENCH DEPUTY (Deputy Minister)12
ADMIRE VEGA (Sunday Silence)7
EL CONDOR PASA (Kingmambo)7
DEEP IMPACT (Sunday Silence)6
END SWEEP (Forty Niner)6
NEO UNIVERSE (Sunday Silence)6
TAIKI SHUTTLE (Devil's Bag)6
BRIAN'S TIME (Roberto)5

Harbinger became the champion of debutantes last year (winning fromKinshasa no Kiseki and Vermilion) with eighty-five horses on the racecourse, of which twenty-one won and earning a total of 266,286,000 yens. In the championship of sires of two-year-olds, Harbinger placed sixth, behind Deep ImpactKing KamehamehaHeartís CryDaiwa Major and Manhattan Cafe. None of his two-year-olds succeeded in a black-type-race, but Harbinger himself was unraced as a two-year-old and reached the peak of his career at four and since Sunday Silence showed no precocity either, Harbingerís early results, despite the highest number of progeny among the debutantes, are very promising.

The promise is confirmed in the first weeks of the new year when Harbingerís progeny won the first black-type races and Harbinger himself is at the tail of top-ten Japanese sires. It needs to be added though that he has just just thirty-seven products on the racecourse while other stallions, with the exception of Special Week (61), have over a hundred runners. Among Harbingerís progeny the best are those whose dams are daughters of Sunday Silence or his granddaughter, as is the case of Tosen Basil
who is out of a dam by Fuji Kiseki. It is too early to evaluate this connection and Harbinger himself but as the stallions of the Danehill line, who showed greater stamina on the racecourse, proved to be a major disappointment at stud, Harbinger, supported by Shadai Farm, seems to have taken a much promising path indeed.

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« 2017-Nov-19, 07:23 PM Reply #12 »
Now the sire of 3 Group 1 winners in Japan in the last few months.

A long way to go but he could challenge Deep Impact.