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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2021-Nov-22, 07:46 AM Reply #1225 »
4 winners and 5 placegetters tipped by people here from only half the card and a Mair still canít see out of his mist of ignorance   :lol:

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« 2021-Nov-22, 09:26 AM Reply #1226 »
Hope Panfield pulls up ok.
Very disappointing to see that run.
I wondered if he got galloped on......but nothing in the report.
I liked how Teetan didn't cane him when he knew he couldn't win.

There's a lot to like about Hong Kong racing......it's clean (no lasix or EPO), big pools and it's true handicap racing.
A bit not to like.....the horse's confinement and loss of Honker's independence. :sad:

I might put some more time into it.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 09:41 AM Reply #1227 »
It something you need to factor in when doing the form in HK as opposed to Aus.

I'll regularly mention that the 'jock went easy' last time etc, you see it a lot in HK with the jock basically sitting up or going easy over the final furlong when out of contention. It can only be a good thing imho.

You see Pike do it on the Peters horses in WA too, if he's not going to get there he can be very soft on them, it's identifying that which helps next time out  :bulb:

Stewards in Aus could learn a lot from allowing this type of welfare.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 09:47 AM Reply #1228 »
Gin,with that in mind what did you think of the run of Never Too  Soon.
Thought with a clear run he finishes in the placings but instead the form guide will tells us he ran poorly and beaten 7 lengths :whistle:

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« 2021-Nov-23, 11:30 AM Reply #1229 »
The winner in race 10 is obviously a star...crossed the field so comfortably.

Ennea Fortune beat the rest just as comfortably.....he's a lovely looking horse with ability who looks to adjusted well to his life there.

My "grey" Nearly Fine did a bit of nice work through the line....@$50.
Wasn't really "asked" for a lot......good run for the future over a bit further.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 12:36 PM Reply #1230 »
Sitting up...

Those that dont pay attention to this might call the form corrupt ( hello Peter M ) but the signal to all paying attention is rather clear.

Has to better than Bowman risking horses and jockeys lives by trying to force a gap that is not there....

Times players would be badly disadvantaged if not on top of this.

The extra variance suits me.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 04:02 PM Reply #1231 »
Gin,with that in mind what did you think of the run of Never Too  Soon.
Thought with a clear run he finishes in the placings but instead the form guide will tells us he ran poorly and beaten 7 lengths :whistle:

He certainly found trouble, Poon tried to smash his way out on the bend then onto heals straightening.

My only concern was how was he going at the time? Not sure he was traveling and then when the gap finally opened Poon rode him along and gave him a crack - he didn't really pick up nor finish it off  :shrug:

One to watch for next time especially if there's a jock change.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 06:40 PM Reply #1232 »

Inflated-field racing is corrupt on a number of levels ...


Most accept a jockey's decision, to 'not obtain the best possible finishing position',  is a sensible one when faced with 'a wall' in front.

Conversely, a jockey on 'a winner', making every effort to win ......is likely to be penalised for 'breaching the wall at all costs' .......connections of the 'should win' are prepared to 'pay' the 'exes' when 'it did win' [ .....and would be well advised to look after the money-rider when it does not.]

Honest participants, 'doing their best', are on a hiding to nothing when committed to 'do their best' ........... avoiding suspension means 'not pulling the stick'............. and 'money gone west'.

........ please keep the eye on the right ball here ............. inflated fields corrupt race outcomes.

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« 2021-Nov-24, 05:06 PM Reply #1233 »
Playing at Happy Valley tonight

Race 1: #1 We The South should find the front off the soft draw and be hard to run down. Well found around $2.1  :dry:

Race 4: #7 Ernest Feeling will go back from the draw, forgiving last start where he was ridden close (started fav)  he'll be coming late and at $6.50 is a good bet. Save #2 Loyal Baby who is close to a win.

Race 5: #1 Fireball can claim the lead from the inside and will be tough to get past. #3 Ka Ying Spirit for the multiples going to the 1200m for the first time.

Race 6: #1 Romantic Warrior was super impressive sitting wide on debut and still saluting but at $1.85 is too short imho 2nd up - you have to save but I'll be backing #2 Trader who was just knocked up last time, he'll lead of the good draw and if the fav slips, he's the one.

Race 7: #1 Everyone's Delight was desperately unlucky first up, arguably would have won having been shut out going for a run at the 150m mark. Jock change a + but a sticky gate gives us $5 currently. Save on #11 Toronado Phantom really strange set up, first up off 5 trials and up to the 1650m after performing at the 1200m when 1st in HK  :shrug: #4 Cheerful Days as the other multi horse.

Race 8: #8 Drops of God gets the low draw he's been looking for and should settle closer, not needing to go back to last, if he gets a crack at them he'll be in the finish. Obvious danger #2 Sight Success who is flying & #9 Harmony Fire on the 7 day back up and up to 1200m for the first time.

Good luck if you're playing.

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« 2021-Nov-24, 07:49 PM Reply #1234 »
R1. like the ex  Aussie form of Ginson. beaten a photo by Hanseatic and not far behind Tagaloa . Seizing the moment not beaten far behind Cordysep Six & nervous witness in running 4th.

R2. Weak race sees Nordic Warrior get his chance from gun draw

R4. A dabble in Zone D

R5 , Fireball as well

R6 Romantic Warrior to beat the donkey that is Melbourne Hall

R7 Gins 2 plus Super Winner

R8. Wishful  Thinker drops a mile in class doesnít he? Been taking in the top liners fir a few years over there. G1 form aro7nd last Sundayís winne4 Lucky Parch & Wellington  :chin:








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« 2021-Nov-24, 09:22 PM Reply #1235 »
Ah, the old mug punters trap.
Will have to review those thoughts as the rail is out a long way. Chronic leaders track the last time it was and that winner scooted  and railed.....as predicted by Gin  :noteworthy:

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« 2021-Nov-25, 10:57 AM Reply #1236 »
I just looked at Bulb Pals trials....well done to all concerned.
Tendon injury so it would have been a long road back.

Good result for the owners and good result for anyone prepared to to the work.
Rip Van Winkle and the Galileo breed  probably not really suited to those tracks in Hong Kong.
I see this fellow has re-injured his near side tendon......pretty sad.
He sure has done a lot of laps of the swimming pool over there!
All the ability and talent in the world doesn't mean much if the body can't tolerate the training required.



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