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Online wily ole dog

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« 2015-Sep-13, 12:05 PM Reply #50 »
Was there a protest?

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« 2015-Sep-13, 12:11 PM Reply #51 »
Was there a protest?

Do you think he should have kept the race ?


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« 2015-Sep-13, 10:22 PM Reply #52 »
Do you think he should have kept the race ?




That would be right up there with the Taufan's Melody Caulfield Cup as one of the worst decisions ever.
Free Eagle is clearly going to win that.

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« 2015-Sep-13, 11:28 PM Reply #53 »
The English stewards got it right in the St Leger though.
Bondi Beach was a good effort to do that after sufferring in particular the first bounce.

Good ride by O'Donoghue, stayed cool in the straight and I think he knew he'd get it on protest as long as he finished within that margin he did.

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« 2015-Sep-14, 12:26 AM Reply #54 »
These are all pretenders.

Treve and New Bay are the headline acts.


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« 2015-Sep-14, 12:32 AM Reply #55 »
These are all pretenders.

Treve and New Bay are the headline acts.



I think you and I might be in agreeance for a change.
I have a distinct feeling we've been watching hyped horses in the UK and Ireland recently that are best served at 10 furlongs.

I can't see the likes of Golden Horn and Free Eagle being upsides in the Arc.... if they even turn up.

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« 2015-Sep-14, 07:18 AM Reply #56 »
Do you think he should have kept the race ?



The stewards would probably say something along the lines of " the beaten margin"  :lol:

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« 2015-Sep-15, 01:36 PM Reply #57 »

That would be right up there with the Taufan's Melody Caulfield Cup as one of the worst decisions ever.
Free Eagle is clearly going to win that.

Quite simply wrong.

Watch the race again, Free Eagle is upsides Golden Horn early in the straight, but the time of the interference, Golden Horn is at least a half length up. There is no way, interference or not, Free Eagle was going to win the race. Had the rules been written so that costing a horse any place would result in a relegation then I would agree, but I believe the rules are the same as Australia's.

BTW, the Taufun's Melody decision was clearly correct under the Australian rules, there is no way you could say that any of those interfered with would have won the race. It is a weakness of the rules we have.

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« 2015-Sep-15, 01:44 PM Reply #58 »
The English stewards got it right in the St Leger though.
Bondi Beach was a good effort to do that after sufferring in particular the first bounce.

Good ride by O'Donoghue, stayed cool in the straight and I think he knew he'd get it on protest as long as he finished within that margin he did.

I didn't see the head on of the first check, so can't comment, but for the rest of the straight Bondi beach laid in all over the filly until eventually she got off balance and bored into him. Am happy to cop the decision based on the first check (I was on the relegated horse), but the rest of the interference is all Bondi Beach.

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« 2015-Oct-05, 12:05 AM Reply #59 »
I can't see the likes of Golden Horn and Free Eagle being upsides in the Arc.... if they even turn up.

Goose!

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« 2015-Oct-18, 07:51 AM Reply #60 »
Jack Hobbs was hammered in the betting for today's Champion Stakes, and frankly was a bit disappointing after having a very cosy run behind his pacemaker.

Stays in training for next year.

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« 2015-Oct-18, 10:10 AM Reply #61 »
Jack Hobbs was hammered in the betting for today's Champion Stakes, and frankly was a bit disappointing after having a very cosy run behind his pacemaker.

Stays in training for next year.

Not sure what to make of the performance.

I thought he was quite impressive. Was it a sedate pace or a hectic pace, My initial reaction was it was hectic ?

He is going to be exciting next season. He and Time Test and one other who escapes me right now are going to make for exciting racing.

Time Test wants firm footing so I doubt he will meet Jack Hobbs unless its in the Prince Of Wales at the Royal meeting.


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« 2015-Oct-19, 12:05 AM Reply #62 »
Still some Time Test action this year. I gather he's off to the Breeders Cup.

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« 2016-Apr-30, 07:30 PM Reply #63 »
Jack resumes at HQ today in the G2 Dunaden at Overbury Jockey Club Stakes over 12f.

He's 1/2 favourite ahead of the lucky Leger heroine Simple Verse.

Jack had a racecourse gallop at the track recently, and the word is he floated and had a good look around once he out his galloping companion away.

Melbourne Cup 5th, the redoubtable Big Orange, and Khalid Abdullah's Exosphere add interest.

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« 2016-May-01, 12:12 AM Reply #64 »
Jack Hobbs pulled up as long odds on favourite. Never looked to be travelling.

Exosphere showed a similar turn of foot to his Australian namesake. Won easily and might be a decent horse.

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« 2016-May-01, 02:55 AM Reply #65 »


Jack Hobbs might be a bit of a lad much like the Japanese star Gold Ship. He might be a super star one day and a complete dick the next. He'll retire with one of those Timeform next to his name.

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« 2016-May-09, 02:25 PM Reply #66 »
JH has a stress fracture to his pelvis, which may account for his atrocious 'effort' at HQ.

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« 2017-Mar-26, 02:23 AM Reply #67 »
What a great trainer is John Gosden. That was scintillating. 

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Jack Hobbs built to last and a throwback to Godolphin golden age

Martin Stevens looks at the pedigree of the Meydan hero

In an age when commercial breeders have become so infatuated with precocity that the retirement of a two-year-old colt to stud is barely met with a raised eyebrow any more, the breeding of Jack Hobbs is refreshing in its bias towards pure middle-distance class and later maturation.

Saturday's impressive Dubai Sheema Classic winner is doing just what he was engineered to do by proving to be a top-class horse long after many of the best of his age group have started their stallion careers.

Jack Hobbs was bred by former champion jockey Willie Carson and his wife Elaine at their Minster Stud in Gloucestershire and, as a son of Halling out of a Swain mare, boasts two brilliant and battle-hardened Godolphin colts as sire and damsire.

The early career of Halling was overseen by Jack Hobbs' handler John Gosden, who sent him out to win three handicaps, culminating in a decisive victory in the Cambridgeshire. He subsequently joined Godolphin, for whom he completed the Eclipse-Juddmonte International double at both four and five. In all, he won 12 of his 18 starts.

There were several quirks to the stallion career of Halling, who died aged 25 last year. First, it took him an inordinately long time for him to be represented by a first top-flight winner; it was Cavalryman, from the sire's ninth crop, who broke the duck when he won the Grand Prix de Paris in 2009.

Halling had been a little unlucky not to have put a Group 1 winner on the board before then. Norse Dancer managed to finish in the first four in ten races at the highest level, while Hala Bek must rank as one of the best horses of recent times not to have gained black type, having finished a close fourth after veering right in the closing stages of Sir Percy's Derby and winning a maiden and conditions race in good style in his three starts.

Halling's progeny record also features a remarkable gender bias, featuring as it does only two female Pattern-winning offspring Eastern Aria and Havant compared with 25 sons who achieved the same. That is all the more surprising when you consider Halling's sire Diesis was renowned for the success enjoyed by his daughters such as Diminuendo, Love Divine and Ramruma.

One characteristic shared by many of Halling's progeny is their durability. Cavalryman developed into a high-class stayer and had won ten of his 38 previous starts before he was fatally injured in action at Meydan in 2015.

He is one of ten among Halling's 20 best offspring by Racing Post Ratings who chalked up 20 or more starts in their career, along with Norse Dancer (35), Opinion Poll (27), Parasol (33), Chancellor (45), Dandoun (22), Franklins Gardens (22), Empoli (21), Hattan (52) and Vanderlin (62).

They were built to last on the maternal side of Jack Hobbs' family, too.

His dam, Swain's Gold, won three races in the US and has also produced Niceofyoutotellme, a useful handicapper for Ralph Beckett who has made 33 starts, Mrs Greeley, who won on three of her 19 trips to the track, and Manson, whose third placing in a valuable Kempton handicap this month came on his 14th run.

Swain made his debut in the May of his three-year-old season for Andre Fabre and was unbeaten until he finished third to Lammtarra in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.

Like Halling, he later became a regular face in top-flight contests and won two renewals of the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes and one each of the Coronation Cup and Irish Champion Stakes. He also distinguished himself on dirt with a short-head second to Silver Charm in the Dubai World Cup and a third placing behind Awesome Again in the Breeders' Cup Classic among 22 runs.

Swain's Gold is out of the Don't Forget Me mare Golden Pond, who ran 24 times and marked herself down as a tough customer by making most of the running to win at Nottingham and Ascot and the Listed Prix de la Cochere at Saint-Cloud before heading to America where she landed the Grade 2 Orchid Handicap and Grade 3 Suwannee River Handicap.

With all those durable performers in his pedigree, Jack Hobbs should be seen on racecourses for a long time yet, as long as he is kept sound after recovering from the hairline fracture to his pelvis he suffered in the Jockey Club Stakes last year.

He could be considered a throwback to the golden age of Godolphin when Halling and Swain would regularly deliver big-race victories carrying the royal blue silks.

Jack Hobbs serves as a reminder that horses bred for middle distances can eventually be as lucrative as those bred to show speed early in their two-year-old careers. Bought as a yearling by Blandford Bloodstock for 60,000gns, he will have generated a healthy profit for his original owners, a partnership that included Gosden's wife Rachel Hood, after being bought into by Sheikh Mohammed's operation after winning a Sandown handicap by a street and finishing second to Golden Horn in the Dante Stakes.

When the time comes, a long way down the road presumably, it will be interesting to see how his stallion career is handled and whether he will be granted a decent chance of producing high-class middle-distance horses in his own image, even though he offers little hope of producing early two-year-olds.


FIVE OF HALLING'S HARDEST-WORKING SONS

Cavalryman

Runs: 39; Wins: 10

Became an overdue first top-flight winner for his sire when he landed the Grand Prix de Paris and ran a cracker when third to Sea The Stars in the Arc. Developed into a top stayer, winning the Goodwood Cup and Dubai Gold Cup.

Chancellor

Runs: 47; Wins: 6

Hailed from the first crop of Halling and proved a good advert for his sire by winning the Sandown Classic Trial. Went on to win the Royal Whip and the Gordon Richards Stakes twice and was still going at the age of nine.

Hattan

Runs: 52; Wins 6

Given an ambitious campaign typical of trainer Clive Brittain and broke his maiden by winning the Chester Vase. Not disgraced when sixth in Motivator's Derby. Found a second wind on the all-weather later in life, winning the Winter Derby and September Stakes at big prices.

Norse Dancer

Runs: 35; Wins: 4

Jeff Smith's enigmatic colt ran well in Group 1 races time after time without ever winning one. Best efforts included runner-up finishes to Azamour in the Irish Champion Stakes and King George.

Opinion Poll

Runs: 27; Wins: 10

As was the case with Halling and Jack Hobbs, graduated from handicaps to Pattern company. Won the Goodwood Cup and the Lonsdale Cup twice, and also finished second in the Gold Cup twice, an unlucky runner-up to Colour Vision in 2012.



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