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O.P. « 2015-Aug-12, 09:24 AM »

Gleneagles is set to sidestep this weekend's Prix Jacques le Marois at Deauville and instead head to York for a fascinating clash with Derby hero Golden Horn in the Juddmonte International.

The Galileo colt has enjoyed a tremendous campaign for Aidan O'Brien, winning the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket and the Irish equivalent before a brilliant display in the St James's Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot.

Connections have been keen to stick to a mile and after missing the Sussex Stakes at Glorious Goodwood due to unsuitable ground, he looked set to cross the Channel for Sunday's Group One.

However, O'Brien feels conditions at Deauville will be against his star three-year-old and as a result, he is set to step up to a mile and a quarter for the first time on the Knavesmire next Wednesday.

"The chances of him running in the Prix Jacques le Marois on Sunday are unfortunately fading with the forecast," O'Brien told www.coolmore.com.

" I've always considered Gleneagles a true miler but he needs good fast ground to be seen at his best therefore York will probably be his next race as we are running out of options with him.

"It's a very sporting gesture by his owners."


3:40

JUDDMONTE INTERNATIONAL STAKES (BRITISH CHAMPIONS SERIES) (GROUP 1) (CLASS 1) (3yo+) Winner £518,542 8 runners 1m2f88y Good To Firm CH4

Race Conditions: £850,000 guaranteed For 3yo+ Weights 3yo colts & geldings 8st 12lb; fillies 8st 9lb; 4yo+ colts & geldings 9st 6lb; fillies 9st 3lb Entries 42 pay £ 3700 Confirmed 10 Penalty value 1st £518,542.06 2nd£196,590.63 3rd £98,386.75 4th £49,010.50 5th £24,596.69 6th £12,344.06

NO. FORMHORSEAGEWGTTRAINER RTF%JOCKEYORTSRPR
1 1
403451
Owner detailsCougar Mountain tp49-6A P O´Brien86Seamie Heffernan119107128
Fastnet Rock (AUS) — Descant (USA) (Nureyev (USA))
2 6
32135
Owner detailsCriterion p59-6David A HayesWilliam Buick120109128
 63 Sebring (AUS) — Mica´s Pride (AUS) (Bite The Bullet (USA))
3 4
1/427-
Owner detailsDick Doughtywylie t79-6John Gosden73Robert Havlin99
 425 Oasis Dream — Sugar Mill (FR) (Polar Falcon (USA))
4 8
1-2422
Owner detailsThe Grey Gatsby p49-6Kevin Ryan48Jamie Spencer123117134
 46 Mastercraftsman (IRE) — Marie Vison (IRE) (Entrepreneur)
5 2
11d-111
Owner detailsGleneagles38-12A P O´Brien86Joseph O'Brien122119132
64 Galileo (IRE) — You´resothrilling (USA) (Storm Cat (USA))
6 7
1-1111
Owner detailsGolden Horn38-12John Gosden73Frankie Dettori130124140
 46 Cape Cross (IRE) — Fleche D´Or (Dubai Destination (USA))
7 3
212-11
Owner detailsTime Test38-12Roger Charlton67Pat Smullen116123129
 62 Dubawi (IRE) — Passage Of Time (Dansili)
8 5
6-1573
Owner detailsArabian Queen38-9David Elsworth62Silvestre De Sousa109115124
18 Dubawi (IRE) — Barshiba (IRE) (Barathea (IRE))
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« 2015-Aug-13, 10:17 AM Reply #1 »

Aidan O'Brien has his fingers firmly crossed York escapes most of the rain that could hit the Knavesmire later in the week as dual 2000 Guineas hero Gleneagles prepares for the Juddmonte International.

Ground conditions were described as good to firm on Wednesday afternoon but could ease with heavy rain forecast for the area on Friday, although settled weather is due from Saturday onwards.

The presence of Gleneagles has set up a mouthwatering showdown with unbeaten Derby and Eclipse winner Golden Horn - but the crack miler does need a sound surface to show his very best.

O'Brien said: "I'm delighted the lads have agreed to let him take his chance and we'll learn a lot about him.

"Hopefully they won't get too much rain and I'd love to go if it's good to firm."

William Hill reported Gleneagles to be friendless in the ante-post market, pushing him out to 100-30 from an initial 3-1.

Spokesman Jon Ivan-Duke said: "There's been plenty of money in the race, but hardly a penny for Gleneagles so far and perhaps punters are waiting to see how much rain there is at the Knavesmire."

Free Eagle, meanwhile, is increasingly likely to sidestep York and wait for the Qipco Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown.

Dermot Weld's four-year-old fought off The Grey Gatsby to make a winning start to his campaign in the Prince of Wales's Stakes at Royal Ascot and would add further intrigue to next Wednesday's Group One feature if he were to line up alongside Golden Horn and Gleneagles.

However, the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp in October remains the primary objective for Free Eagle and connections are minded to give him just one run ahead of his trip to Paris in the Irish Champion Stakes on September 12.

Fiona Craig, breeding advisor for owners Moyglare Stud, said: "I think York is probably looking less likely. I'm not sure it's settled in stone, but he'll probably go straight to Leopardstown.

"He was very tired after he came home from Ascot. As everyone knows it was a bit of a rush to get him there anyway and he ran his heart out on the day.

"He's in good form now again now, though. He worked on the racecourse at the Curragh on Monday morning as they'd had a bit of rain and it was beautiful ground.

"We'd like to get to the Arc and we just think to run at York and then Leopardstown and then go to Longchamp would be a fair bit of racing in a short space of time.

"I think he'll probably stay in the York race at the five-day stage, just in case it cuts up and the likes of Golden Horn and Gleneagles come out, but at the moment it looks like we'll wait for the autumn."

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« 2015-Aug-14, 01:41 PM Reply #2 »
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Ascot and Goodwood's loss is York's gain, with the Derby and Eclipse winner set to tackle the dual 2000 Guineas hero over 10 furlongs, as long as the ground is not too soft.The two best three-year-olds in Europe are on course to clash in next week's Juddmonte International at York after Golden Horn and Gleneagles featured among 10 remaining entries at the confirmation stage.
John Gosden's Golden Horn was due run in the King George at Ascot but was pulled out just hours before, while the Aidan O'Brien-trained Gleneagles missed the Sussex Stakes which had been his aim since being victorious in the Irish Guineas.

A third top-class three-year-old in the race is Roger Charlton's Time Test, one of the most impressive winners of the week at Royal Ascot and owned by sponsor Khalid Abdullah.

Charlton told the Guardian: "He's got to work on Friday and, if he does that well and comes out of it, yes, he's all on course.

"I'm quite pleased he (O'Brien) is running Gleneagles, actually.

"Gleneagles is a dual Guineas winner and we've got a Derby-Eclipse (Golden Horn) winner as well.

"It's going to be a four- or five-horse race. Golden Horn will have to make the running. Gleneagles may not get the trip.

"It would be no disgrace to be third. If we can finish in front of one of them, or both of them, even better."

The elder brigade is headed by Kevin Ryan's The Grey Gatsby, second in the race last year to Australia but ultimately no match for Golden Horn in the Eclipse at Sandown.

Gosden has a second classy contender in Mahsoob, also a winner at Royal Ascot, and he has supplemented Dick Doughtywylie, who has been bought by Golden Horn's owner Anthony Oppenheimer to presumably act as a pacemaker.

International flavour is added by the Australian, Criterion, while the sole filly is David Elsworth's Arabian Queen.

Cougar Mountain and The Corsican complete the perfect 10.

The mosts notable defector was Free Eagle, who is due to be seen next in the Irish Champion Stakes.


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« 2015-Aug-14, 06:15 PM Reply #3 »

Juddmonte International Stakes: The cases for Golden Horn, Time Test & Gleneagles

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By Keith Melrose, Tony McFadden & Ben Fearnley -- published 13th August 2015

Who will win the Juddmonte International Stakes at York on Wednesday? Three Timeform writers make the case for each of the star three-year-olds entered

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Golden Horn (Timeform Rating 133p) – Keith Melrose

This feels a bit like shouting down from the top of the mountain. Surely just about everyone, no matter their betting loyalties, would concede that Golden Horn is the likeliest winner of the Juddmonte? He is the Derby winner, the Eclipse winner- the winner of everything, in fact, that he’s run in.

Golden Horn is an exceptional three-year-old, in terms of ability but also in how adaptable he’s proved. It’s an irregular consistency that, even after just five runs, is quite remarkable: regardless of the trip, the course, how the race is run or where he’s positioned in it, he’s been able not only to win, but on every occasion intonate that he’s a 130+ horse. It’s very rare to find a horse that swaggers the way Golden Horn does on every run- even Frankel and Sea The Stars looked vulnerable once or twice.

Those two will be remembered as greats of the sport, a realm that Golden Horn hasn’t entered yet. But he might. Five runs is the same as the seemingly unexposed Time Test, and little more than half of Gleneagles’ tally. Can we call a Derby and Eclipse winner unexposed? If we can, then Golden Horn surely counts.

The Juddmonte isn’t run under lab conditions, of course, and reality always brings more uncertainty. Even then, Golden Horn is almost as strong in his practical exams. The likeliest way for the others to ‘get him beat’ would be a race with no pace and, after Sandown, you’d imagine Golden Horn would lead in those circumstances. Allowing Frankie Dettori to do his own thing on a top-class horse with an excellent turn of foot doesn’t exactly sound like the sort of thing to make the other two’s task any easier.

Gleneagles (129) - Tony McFadden

A son of super sire Galileo – whose progeny tend to stay middle-distances – and a full-brother to Marvellous, whose superior stamina saw her grind her way to victory in a soft-ground Irish 1,000 Guineas, Gleneagles’ pedigree certainly offers hope that he will prove as effective over an extended 10 furlongs.

Up against rivals such as unbeaten Derby winner Golden Horn and the rapidly-progressive Time Test, Gleneagles will need to improve upon the level of form which has seen him finish first past the post on eight consecutive occasions, though the fact he hasn’t been legitimately beaten since debut is surely a salient point: Gleneagles has been winning so hasn’t had to show the full extent of his ability.

There have been some narrow winning margins amongst Gleneagles’ victories, but that can be attributed to a tendency to idle, and you get the feeling that there has been plenty left in the tank on most occasions – including in the Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere when he was demoted by the French stewards!

Gleneagles confirmed himself as the stand-out miler of his generation with a comfortable success in the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket, before overcoming adverse circumstances to win the Irish equivalent at the Curragh, but arguably his most impressive success was his latest one at Royal Ascot. Gleneagles was never troubled as he turned a prestigious Group 1 race into a procession, travelling comfortably and quickening in trademark style to win easily. That was his fourth win at the highest level – five if you’re counting his Longchamp effort – and he looks sure to launch a bold bid at York, his undoubted class and straightforward nature marking him down as a high-class, dependable racehorse.

Time Test (130p) - Ben Fearnley

Given his connections, Time Test was always highly likely to be aimed at the Juddmonte International after making the switch from handicaps to Group level in devastating fashion in the Group 3 Tercentenary Stakes at Royal Ascot. Already this decade, Khalid Abdullah has twice seen his silks flash first past the post in this race, courtesy of Twice Over and Frankel.

Pedigree would suggest middle-distances all the way for Time Test, though Roger Charlton seems keen to keep him at 10 furlongs and, if anything, drop back to a mile. Given the speed he's shown, that'd be difficult to argue against and it puts Time Test closer to Gleneagles than Golden Horn on the speed-stamina spectrum.

Although the rightful outsider of the superstar trio in terms of status, Time Test has the credentials to be talked about in the same breath as the other two. And let's not forget that they are also breaking new ground, too. Undefeated, dual-Group 1 winner Golden Horn is yet to face a rival as highly-rated as Time Test, and of course this trip is an unknown for Gleneagles, who has done all his winning thus far over a mile or less and has looked speedy, rather than a true middle-distance horse.

Rather than attempt to pick holes in the opposition, though, we should let Time Test’s impressiveTercentenary Stakes win speak for itself, Exhibit A in this case for the usurper. Time Test disposed of a competitive-looking field with ease at Ascot, cruising into the race and just being nudged out by Frankie Dettori to go and assert, which he duly did by three-and-a-quarter lengths, and with the clock backing up the strong visual impression he created that day, it was a top-class performance by Timeform standards.

What Time Test lacks in Group 1-winning form, he makes up for in abundant promise (and Timefigures), so although the outsider of the three heavyweights going into this year’s Juddmonte International, he still deserves plenty of respect, and combined with the tactical expertise of Pat Smullen in a race that looks likely to go that way, he may just surprise a few people.


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« 2015-Aug-14, 06:18 PM Reply #4 »
Can someone post the final field and barrier positions

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« 2015-Aug-14, 06:27 PM Reply #6 »
Thanks mate, what a ripper of a race. I like the Corsican & the Gatsby as horses but I suspect they'll find this tough. Hope one of them comes out here for the spring

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« 2015-Aug-14, 07:20 PM Reply #7 »
John gosden

John Gosden: "all horses prefer to be led"

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Supplementing Dick 'an easy decision' - Gosden

JOHN GOSDEN has described paying £75,000 to add a pacemaker forGolden Horn into the field for the Group 1 Juddmonte International Stakes next Wednesday as "an easy decision".

On Thursday morning the Derby and Eclipse winner's seven-year-old stablemate Dick Doughtywylie was added to the York contest to ensure an even tempo, just as he does at home.

'The obvious candidate'

Gosden said: "It was an easy decision to make as we could not see what else was going to make the running and we want an even pace over ten furlongs, not a four furlong dash.

"Dick Doughtywylie was the obvious candidate as he has led all the greats in their work at home such as The Fugue and Kingman and now does the same job for Golden Horn."

Last time out at Sandown Golden Horn was forced into making his own running when nothing else wanted to go on in the Eclipse, something that will not be repeated on the Knavesmire.

Tactical advantage

On the added tactical flexibility running a pacemaker gives Golden Horn, Gosden added: "We weren't frightened of making the running but all horses prefer to be led.

"If you lead in races like this you get other horses attacking you four furlongs out before you have to fight them off again at the furlong pole and your race could be run by the time the line comes when someone else swoops late and picks up the pieces.

"It's a very sporting decision by Mr Oppenheimer and we are looking forward to the race."

York going change

York have changed their going description to good, good to firm in places after 10mm of rainfall in last 24 hours up to 8.00am. Conditions are currently cloudy with light drizzle, the radar shows the rain abating by mid morning.

The Met Office forecast a risk of heavy, localised, thundery rain passing through region on Friday, with conditions dry, fresher and with sunny spells from Saturday through to Tuesday.


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« 2015-Aug-17, 07:39 PM Reply #8 »
Golden Horn
Gleneagles
Time Test
The Grey Gatsby
Criterion
Cougar Mountain
Arabian Queen
Dick Doughtywylie

2 of these are pacemakers, I am assuming Cougar Mountain will clear the way for Gleneagles.

Dick Doughtywylie is there to set a solid tempo for Golden Horn.


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« 2015-Aug-17, 08:16 PM Reply #9 »
I just hope Dick Doughtwylie doesn't bring down the overall IQ of the field.    :lol:

Shapes as a great race this. 

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« 2015-Aug-18, 04:42 PM Reply #10 »
3:40

JUDDMONTE INTERNATIONAL STAKES (BRITISH CHAMPIONS SERIES) (GROUP 1) (CLASS 1) (3yo+) Winner £518,542 8 runners 1m2f88y Good To Firm CH4

Race Conditions: £850,000 guaranteed For 3yo+ Weights 3yo colts & geldings 8st 12lb; fillies 8st 9lb; 4yo+ colts & geldings 9st 6lb; fillies 9st 3lb Entries 42 pay £ 3700 Confirmed 10 Penalty value 1st £518,542.06 2nd£196,590.63 3rd £98,386.75 4th £49,010.50 5th £24,596.69 6th £12,344.06

NO. FORMHORSEAGEWGTTRAINER RTF%JOCKEYORTSRPR
1 1
403451
Owner detailsCougar Mountain tp49-6A P O´Brien86Seamie Heffernan119107128
Fastnet Rock (AUS) — Descant (USA) (Nureyev (USA))
2 6
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Owner detailsCriterion p59-6David A HayesWilliam Buick120109128
 63 Sebring (AUS) — Mica´s Pride (AUS) (Bite The Bullet (USA))
3 4
1/427-
Owner detailsDick Doughtywylie t79-6John Gosden73Robert Havlin99
 425 Oasis Dream — Sugar Mill (FR) (Polar Falcon (USA))
4 8
1-2422
Owner detailsThe Grey Gatsby p49-6Kevin Ryan48Jamie Spencer123117134
 46 Mastercraftsman (IRE) — Marie Vison (IRE) (Entrepreneur)
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Owner detailsGleneagles38-12A P O´Brien86Joseph O'Brien122119132
64 Galileo (IRE) — You´resothrilling (USA) (Storm Cat (USA))
6 7
1-1111
Owner detailsGolden Horn38-12John Gosden73Frankie Dettori130124140
 46 Cape Cross (IRE) — Fleche D´Or (Dubai Destination (USA))
7 3
212-11
Owner detailsTime Test38-12Roger Charlton67Pat Smullen116123129
 62 Dubawi (IRE) — Passage Of Time (Dansili)
8 5
6-1573
Owner detailsArabian Queen38-9David Elsworth62Silvestre De Sousa109115124
18 Dubawi (IRE) — Barshiba (IRE) (Barathea (IRE))

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« 2015-Aug-18, 10:18 PM Reply #11 »
You betting on this? It would take me an hour or 2 to do form on a race like this. Only 10 mins on a typical wednesday race.

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« 2015-Aug-18, 10:40 PM Reply #12 »
You betting on this? It would take me an hour or 2 to do form on a race like this. Only 10 mins on a typical wednesday race.

There are 4 serious chances and they are the 4 leading the market naturally.

I think bookies should take on Golden Horn. In my opinion he is the favourite but not that short.

I think Gleneagles is the value runner.You can get 4.00+ in places and this to me is value. $4.70 (Betvictor)

I have a massive wrap on Time Test but the bookies have him too short for this massive step up in class. Whilst I think he is up to it from a betting point of view he is too short at longest $6.50 (Paddypower)


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« 2015-Aug-19, 12:52 AM Reply #13 »
Rpr puts Golden Horn miles ahead

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« 2015-Aug-19, 07:59 AM Reply #14 »
The Grey to storm home and run 2nd to the Horn, The aussie 3rd

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« 2015-Aug-19, 08:51 AM Reply #15 »
Gleneagles' participation in doubt due to persistent rain on the Knavesmire.

Joseph O'Brien is riding in a couple of earlier races. His father may wait until he gets some feedback from young Joseph as to how the track's playing before making a final decision.

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« 2015-Aug-19, 08:57 AM Reply #16 »
A wet track and Gleneagles' possible defection obviously improve Criterion's prospects. 

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« 2015-Aug-19, 09:54 AM Reply #17 »
Gleneagles' participation in doubt due to persistent rain on the Knavesmire.

Joseph O'Brien is riding in a couple of earlier races. His father may wait until he gets some feedback from young Joseph as to how the track's playing before making a final decision.

What are your thoughts on these late defections ?

I know Golden Horn skipping Ascot at such late notice pissed a lot off.


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« 2015-Aug-19, 10:59 AM Reply #18 »
What are your thoughts on these late defections ?

I know Golden Horn skipping Ascot at such late notice pissed a lot off.

With John Nerud's death last week, it's timely to remember a couple of greats, Dr Fager and Damascus.

No-one thought any the less of them because they were beaten occasionally - or that each beat the other.

Steve Haskin's blog is a fascinating read.

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-racing-steve-haskin/archive/2015/08/15/nerud-the-fox-and-the-rivalry.aspx

In short, I'd much prefer to see the best horses compete against all comers, rather than dodge each other and anything other than optimal conditions.   

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« 2015-Aug-19, 11:20 AM Reply #19 »
Dr.Fager Vs Damascus


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« 2015-Aug-19, 11:31 AM Reply #20 »
Since when has "scratching" been known as "defection"?

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« 2015-Aug-19, 11:36 AM Reply #21 »
Since when has "scratching" been known as "defection"?

They are a possibility of scratching the horse after Joseph O'Brien reports back after his 2 earlier rides. They are not scratching at the normal time and even if the Racing Officials do not change the going if O'Brien is not happy with the going they will scratch the horse.




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« 2015-Aug-19, 12:26 PM Reply #22 »
Wily might be on the right track.

There are 2 pacemakers in the race and they are going to set a good tempo. The mare Arabian Queen is a keen going filly who cart the field up to the pacemakers.

The Grey Gatsbys best efforts have been when he has come from the rear. Today he has the race set up to go back to his old ways of settling out the back and being saved for one last swoop.

The first video is The Eclipse. The second is last years Juddmonte and the 3rd is the Irish Champion.










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« 2015-Aug-19, 12:27 PM Reply #23 »
My final selections

Golden Horn
The Grey Gatsby
Gleneagles
Time Test


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« 2015-Aug-19, 04:26 PM Reply #24 »
Gleneagles (joseph o'brien) win the barronstown

Gleneagles: said to be best on fast ground

 PICTU Patrick McCann (racingpost.com/photos)

Gleneagles set for York trip, but run in doubt

AIDAN O'BRIEN last night indicated to York clerk of the course William Derby Gleneagles will head to the track today for the Juddmonte International Stakes, but his participation appears unlikely after the going changed to good to soft following 5mm of overnight rain.

The dual-Guineas winner, who is due to clash with Derby hero Golden Horn in one of the races of the year, is said to prefer fast ground and missed the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood last month because conditions were not quick enough.

O'Brien may wait

There must be a danger he will be withdrawn from York's richest ever race after 5mm of rain last night topped up the 9mm that fell between 5am and 6pm yesterday.

O'Brien may wait until his son Joseph, who is due to partner Gleneagles, rides at York earlier on the card before making a final decision.

Speaking just before 7am, Derby said: "We had a lot of rain yesterday and I just updated him on the condition of the track.

"My understanding is the horse travels, but with the rain we had we're not sure the horse will take part. Joseph has a couple of rides and I think Aidan wants to walk the course and have a look at it so we'll probably know later on in the early afternoon."

Derby, who was speaking to Sky Sports, added today's forecast was warm and dry with highs of 22C.



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