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Online Jeunes

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« 2018-May-22, 09:40 PM Reply #25 »
I don't fancy his chances of getting the mile and a half at Belmont.

Got Smarty Jones written all over him.

I agree with you to some degree as I think he is too brilliant.

The only thing in his favour is he has been racing on wet soppy dirt, so if the track is dry, it will be interesting to see how he goes at the distance.

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« 2018-May-22, 09:57 PM Reply #26 »
Did Mine That Bird have a very fast lane against the fence?  The ground hugging the rail looked unraced on compared to even a couple off.

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« 2018-May-24, 08:43 PM Reply #29 »
Maybe the minute amount of Carbine in Justify's pedigree will carry him to victory in the 2414m Belmont Stakes.  I hope not as I would like to see him race on as a 4YO.

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« 2018-May-24, 10:31 PM Reply #30 »
Maybe the minute amount of Carbine in Justify's pedigree will carry him to victory in the 2414m Belmont Stakes.  I hope not as I would like to see him race on as a 4YO.

Well spotted tim   :biggrin:

The maternal granddam of Vice Regent (Canadian version not NZ version) is Victoriana by Windfields who is by Bunty Lawless whose damsire is Mint Briar and if you get this far you will see Spearmint a son of Carbine......

Spearmint, an Epsom Derby winner, sired many big race winners in Europe and an Australian stakes winner called Cyklon.

Cyklon is down as having sired 12 stakes winners in Australia including the 1927 Cup winner Trivalve who also won the 1927 AJC-VRC Derby double as well as the 1928 VRC St Leger, the VRC Govenor's Plate and the VRC King's Plate.

As has been opined recently, a lot of these races would be the modern day equivalent of a Group 1 and perhaps an argument could be made for Trivalve to be included in our list.

The Sydney Daily Telegraph had a big picture of Trivalve on page 1 in the Wednesday 2nd Nov 1927 edition with a describing him as the brilliant winner of the Cup who had emulated the feats of Poseidon and Prince Foote.

(funny the things you pick up on Trove. On page 14 is the results and draw for the Metropolitan night Tennis Championships with my grandfather listed there - he didn't win in 1927 but won it in 1930. There is also some photos from Epping Trots - never knew they had harness racing at Epping).

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« 2018-May-25, 03:24 AM Reply #31 »
Do horses ever come from the tail and win over there  :shutup:

I made this point on an Americans forum about 10 years ago to the tune of saying that American jockeys

didn't seem to have much imagination.  They are either leading or trying to.  s

Like most of my posts on social media, it was not well received. 

Yanks reckoned that Tom Durkin was the best caller in the world.

I reckoned that like almost all American callers, he was appalling and would be strung up in Oz.

He completely missed Mine That Bird in the Derby. 

They didn't like me mentioning that either.  But some agreed he was perhaps past his best.

I don't reckon he ever had a best. 
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« 2018-Jun-01, 05:30 AM Reply #32 »

Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 2:04 pm

• Undefeated GI Kentucky Derby and GI Preakness S. winner and ‘TDN Rising Star’ Justify (Scat Daddy) returned to the racetrack at Churchill Downs Thursday morning for a one-mile jog following his half-mile breeze in :46.80 Tuesday as he continued training for the 1 1/2-mile GI Belmont S. June 9. “It was a really good first day back at the track,” trainer Bob Baffert’s assistant Jimmy Barnes said. “He was pretty strong out there and full of himself. It was exactly what we wanted to see after his breeze Tuesday.”

• Preakness runner-up Bravazo (Awesome Again) breezed one mile in 1:42.60 with exercise rider Danielle Rosier aboard for Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas. The Calumet Farm homebred worked through eighth-mile splits of :13.20, :25.60, :38.20, :50.60, 1:03.40, 1:16.60 and 1:30 before completing a 1 1/8-mile gallop out in 1:58, according to Churchill Downs clocker John Nichols. “I was very pleased with the work,” Lukas said. “With workouts, I’m not really looking at the time but rather how they’re doing it. He did everything we asked. You have to be a tough horse to compete in the Triple Crown series and I think we have a tough horse.”

• The Belmont S. field could possibly be comprised of the following 11 horses: Bandua (The Factor), Blended Citizen (Proud Citizen), Bravazo, Free Drop Billy (Union Rags), Gronkowski (Lonhro {Aus}), Hofburg (Tapit), Justify, Noble Indy (Take Charge Indy), Restoring Hope (Giant’s Causeway), Tenfold (Curlin) and Vino Rosso (Curlin).

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« 2018-Jun-08, 12:30 PM Reply #33 »
Field at time posted here from

Belmont Park STAKES

Purse $1,500,000. For Three Year Olds. By subscription of $600 each, to accompany the nomination, if made on or before January 20, 2018, or $6,000, if made on or before March 19, 2018. At any time prior to the closing time of entries, horses may be nominated to The Belmont Stakes upon payment of a supplementary fee of $50,000 to the New York Racing Association, Inc. $15,000 to pass the entry box and $15,000 additional to start. All entrants will be required to pay entry and starting fees; but no fees, supplemental or otherwise shall be added to the purse. The purse to be divided $800,000 to the winner, $280,000 to second, $150,000 to third, $100,000 to fourth, $60,000 to fifth, $45,000 to sixth, $35,000 to seventh and $30,000 to eighth. Colts and Geldings, 126 Lbs.; Fillies, 121 Lbs. The winning owner will be presented with the August Belmont Memorial Cup to be retained for one year as well as a trophy for permanent possession and trophies to the winning trainer and jockey. One And One Half Miles.

 1  Justify (KY)     3/C L M E Smith 126 B Baffert 4/5 
 2  Free Drop Billy (KY)     3/C L R Albarado 126 D L Romans 30/1 
 3  Bravazo (KY)     3/C L L Saez 126 D W Lukas 8/1 
 4  Hofburg (KY)     3/C L I Ortiz, Jr. 126 W I Mott 9/2 
 5  Restoring Hope (KY)     3/C L F Geroux 126 B Baffert 30/1 
 6  Gronkowski (KY)     3/C L1 J L Ortiz 126 C C Brown 12/1 
 7  Tenfold (KY)     3/C L R Santana, Jr. 126 S M Asmussen 12/1 
 8  Vino Rosso (KY)     3/C L J R Velazquez 126 T A Pletcher 8/1 
 9  Noble Indy (KY)     3/C L J Castellano 126 T A Pletcher 30/1 
 10  Blended Citizen (KY)     3/C L K Frey 126 D F O'Neill 15/1

The 'Run-Up' for the 2017 race was 84 feet. (the distance to the 12f timing point) . Assuming the barriers for 2018 are set in the same place the horses will travel 12f and 84 feet or almost 2440m. in total.
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« 2018-Jun-08, 01:33 PM Reply #34 »
I thought Hofburg went good at Kentucky given the conditions and it was his 2nd ever race start.
Interesting if he goes around on Sunday with such a light prep

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« 2018-Jun-09, 10:15 AM Reply #35 »
Gronkowski is a Lonhro!
As Aussies,I expect to see him odds on, as far as TAB prices go.  :lol:

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« 2018-Jun-10, 01:18 PM Reply #36 »
Gronkowski blew from 12/1 above to start at about double that number in NY. Justify now 6 from 6 so wonder if China Horse Club wil retire him straight away.   

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« 2018-Jul-23, 07:57 PM Reply #37 »

Undefeated Triple Crown winner Justify will be evaluated after some filling in his left front ankle was discovered, his connections announced July 10.

"Justify had some filling in his left front ankle a week ago, which subsided in a couple days," Hall of Fame trainer Bob Baffert said. "I trained him last week and the filling came back. We want to get him checked out."

Justify didn't train the latter part of last week but had been in full training at Santa Anita Park preparing for a late summer campaign for owners WinStar Farm, China Horse Club, Head of Plains Partners, and Starlight Racing. The Scat Daddy colt will remain in California for the evaluation, according to WinStar president, CEO, and racing manager Elliott Walden.

"He'll stay there with Bob and see what he can figure out, and see if the ankle goes down," Walden said.

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« 2018-Sep-18, 10:52 PM Reply #38 »
Have been into that for a very long time. Recently i"ve started betting. Then casinos, then online casinos (since the law got tightened on that all), Netent casinos in particular. Now enjoying myself much with it.    
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