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Offline Hillbilly

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O.P. « 2008-Nov-27, 08:12 PM »
There has been little said on racing forums across the globe about the undefeated Hungarian wonderhorse Overdose. That's no surprise given the racing backwater he hails from and the fact that Overdose is yet to secure a Gr1 victory. Many will see this horse for the first time in 2009 if he heads to the UK as expected for races like the King's Stand.

Some may have seen Overdose on Arc day 2008 in the false start Prix de l'Abbaye. He was the one that sped off in front and was never pulled up when Fleeting Spirit was left in the stalls. Naturally after those exertions Overdose was unable to take part in the re-run hours later. Some visual comparisons between the no race and the re-run farce suggest Overdose would have beaten Marchand D'or that day. Things just didn't go right for the Hungarian in France. Overdose seemed doomed from the moment he stepped onto the Longchamp track with an official idiot getting in his path and being bowled over by the three year old on his way to the gates.

A bit over a month after the Abbaye debacle Overdose turned up in Rome for a Gr3 six furlong race. He took that with ease and was basically in another stratosphere to the opposition. The runner up was around ten lengths adrift that day after being defeated by just under six lengths in the Abbaye re-run.

Overdose has built up a small fanclub online through YouTube. One individual has put together some early racing clips with music. Those races show the lightyear between Overdose and his central European opponents. Watch for the regular muck lather on Overdose who obviously suffers from white line fever. He almost always breaks out between the mounting yard and the starting gates. I can't wait to see this fellow next year as he puts his undefeated status on the line. Form is hard to track down in places like Bratislava but it has been suggested that Overdose remains unbeaten after twelve starts ( It could be more ).

For the compilation piece click on the YouTube link below. You wont see many 1000-1200m races with such a big space between the leader and the rest in your lifetime.

To view the last victory in Rome go to the Cappanelle website, scroll the date for the results down to 16-11-2008 and click "vai". When the result pop up appears click on the film icon next to race three "3 15:45 C. E F. Aloisi (ex Umbria)" and watch the flying machine go!


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« 2008-Nov-27, 08:36 PM Reply #1 »
This might seem like a dumb question as I know bugger all about racing outside of Aussie.

What I was just wondering is , what is the story on quarantine laws when they travel around Europe ?

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« 2008-Nov-27, 08:41 PM Reply #2 »
There's very little to worry about in that regard Grats. Most countries couldn't stop a goat wandering over the border anyway. Horses travel fairly freely across European borders throughout the season. You'll see UK runners in places like Turkey, Italy, France, Germany, Sweden and Czechoslavakia every week during the flat season.

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« 2008-Dec-04, 12:29 AM Reply #3 »
Wow, that was great to watch. Unbelievable.

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« 2008-Dec-04, 04:26 PM Reply #4 »
Hmmm....not convinced.
pity there aren't any pole markers so we can at least do a hand time from the video.
bit like the Melb cup fav' this year coming out here off a 13 length win over maidens and made fav for the cup only to run where?
i'll back Takeover Target or Apache Cat over him any day...at the moment,but,interesting viewing just the same,thanks.

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« 2008-Dec-04, 04:35 PM Reply #5 »
without doubt one of the fastest horses you will ever see .....

I'm still not recovered after the no race on Arc day but he'll keep ...

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« 2008-Dec-04, 06:03 PM Reply #6 »
Hard to tell on that video,

But looks to have a huge stride .... any chance of getting any times and stats for that race Hilly ?

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« 2008-Dec-04, 06:49 PM Reply #7 »
Quite a few local video clockers in Europe have put him down as breaking the course record in the no race at Longchamp ( Gr1 Abbaye ). As a hold up horse Apache Cat may have some hope against him but I'd give old TT no chance. This fellow looks to be effective on any type of ground as well.

I understand what you're saying Shaun. This horse has some form to compare against the best in Europe this season. The form from the Irish Leger was nowhere near a European peak. The weight carried by Septimus and the support for him in the MC was a joke. In fact it was pure guess work by the VRC handicapper in the first place hence no re handicap after the Irish success. I posted extensively on the matter on another forum. That said I'd like to see how close Viewed could get to Septimus on his home ground at level weights. I fear Viewed would be embarrassed as much as the Coolmore runner was at Flemington ( with or without the atrocious riding display ).

I can only repeat the one form reference that can be lined up in any way Magic:

A bit over a month after the Abbaye debacle Overdose turned up in Rome for a Gr3 six furlong race. He took that with ease and was basically in another stratosphere to the opposition. The runner up was around ten lengths adrift that day after being defeated by just under six lengths in the Abbaye re-run.

I just hope Overdose turns up in top form next season to show us all what he's really capable of.

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« 2008-Dec-04, 07:16 PM Reply #8 »
i hope you are right.
as i said,looks interesting and always good to get the early mail,thanks. 8-)

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« 2008-Dec-05, 10:52 AM Reply #9 »
TVN did a program on him.  He looks pretty impressive.  Let's face it, any horse that wins any race by 12 lengths is something to consider.  Overdose has, apparently made horse racing more popular over in Hungary.  Good luck to connections and hope the underdog rules in Royal Ascot.

Also looked up the website Hillbilly listed, it was a heavy track and 'separation' (margins) were 10 lengths and time was around 70 seconds flat, impressive time considering heavy track/
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« 2008-Dec-10, 05:50 AM Reply #10 »
I believe he carried 65 kilograms in his Group 3 win in Rome the other day.

I will not rate him until his 4 year old season, when he does race against the best in the UK.

Saying that Takeover Target has no chance against him is a bit harsh.  Considering one horse has only managed to front up to Group 2 races at the best, whilst another has happily waltzed his way across England, Singapore, Japan and Australia winning Group 1 races at WFA.

Not mention the horse is yet to meet Apache Cat and Sacred Kingdom..............

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« 2008-Dec-11, 07:26 PM Reply #11 »
I stand 100% behind my comment that Takeover Target would have no hope against Overdose. The pair would absolutely cut each other to shreds up front. Whatever beats Overdose wont be sitting on his girth or in his slipstream either. It will be something that sits back and smokes the pipe early. Let's not forget that Takeover Target is now a racing geriatric.

We can either watch racing like sheep and continually bow to the reigning stars or we can look to the future and see what's emerging. I've made my choice and am happy with it. I don't need to see a horse race the best in the world to rate it. Each to their own. Overdose has emerged from a racing wilderness. It's an exciting story - Not unlike the tale of Takeover Target.

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« 2008-Dec-11, 07:43 PM Reply #12 »
BTW two horses who have been well held by Overdose go round in the HK sprint on the weekend. Let's see how far they get beaten there.

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« 2008-Dec-22, 04:56 PM Reply #13 »
When you look at the respectable performances of both Marchand D'Or and Abbadjinn, it would have been interesting to see how Overdose would have gone in Hong Kong.

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« 2008-Dec-22, 05:03 PM Reply #14 »
Whats his breeding?

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« 2008-Dec-22, 08:40 PM Reply #15 »
Starborough (GER) - Our Poppet (GER) Foaled 2005 in GB

Surely an old dog doesn't need to be taught how to search for a pedigree? It's not exactly a new trick.   :lol:

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« 2008-Dec-26, 08:19 PM Reply #17 »
A Group One winner in all but name.

When a yearling colt by the late Starborough ex Our Poppet, consigned by Whatton Manor Stud, was sold for 2,000 gns to Hungarian owner Zoltan Mikoczy at Tattersalls December Yearling Sale in, paradoxically, November 2006, it is likely that any bloodstock identities from any of Europe's major racing nations who happened to be paying attention at the time might have thought something along the lines of, "Well, that's the last we'll see or hear of that little horse". How wrong would such a supposition have been, writes John Berry.

It is not, of course, unprecedented for an international champion to come out of Hungary, because one of the greatest horses in history, Kincsem, hailed thence. She holds the astonishing career record of 54 starts, 54 wins, figures which surely will never again be equalled and, while she did the bulk of her racing in what was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, she did win one of the biggest races races in England (the Goodwood Cup), France (the Grand Prix de Deauville) and Germany (Grosser Preis von Baden) all in the same year. The problem was that that year was 1878, and in the intervening thirteen decades it had become easy to believe that Hungary's day as a school for champions had gone.

However, there was one clue in the background of this colt that maybe, just maybe, he might emerge from obscurity to achieve greatness, because his family had already thrown up one truly special horse. Although bred by Mr and Mrs Robinson, this colt came from the Whatton Manor Stud family which had already produced the exceptional and unlikely champion stayer Royal Gait, the Gunner B gelding who, unwanted in the UK, was exported to Spain before outgrowing his adopted homeland and coming to France, where in 1987 he won both the Prix du Cadran and Prix Royal-Oak, and thence back to England, where the following year he posted one of the easiest victories ever seen in the Ascot Gold Cup before winning the Champion Hurdle - in Sheikh Mohammed's colours - four years later. The fact that Royal Gait isn't credited with an Ascot Gold Cup victory should in no way be used as an excuse to overlook his excellence, because the rules which were used as an excuse for disqualifying him have subsequently been amended so that there would be no question of his losing the race nowadays.

Happily for Zoltan Mikoczy and his trainer Sandor Ribarszki - and for the many racegoers who feel that the sport is enriched by the presence of a star, and especially a star whose connections are not generally associated with success - lightning has struck twice, and this family has thrown up another champion. It is, though, a markedly different fork of lightning, because the colt, now named Overdose, is pretty much everything that Royal Gait was not: compact, feisty, and blessed with the ability to cover short distances extremely quickly.

Once he began racing as a two-year-old, it didn't take long for Overdose to demonstrate that the opposition and prize money in Hungary are beneath him. Therefore, his connections decided to take him overseas, and last summer Germany was the first port of call for their three-year-old speedster. He raced in three Stakes races there for three easy wins, in a Listed race, a Group Three and then the country's top sprint, the Group Two Goldene Peitsche at Baden Baden.

That, though, was only a warm-up. This year's Arc weekend at Longchamp ought to go down in history as the day in which the Aga Khan's classic filly Zarkava cemented her place in the pantheon with her breath-taking victory in the feature race. However, for many the day will be remembered as much for the blinding speed of Overdose and, even more pertinently, for the slings and arrows which outrageous fortune sent his way. One would have thought that, following Royal Gait's disqualification in the Gold Cup, this family might have suffered enough at the fickle hand of fate, but sadly this proved not to be the case. At least Royal Gait's troubles were partly of his own (or rather his jockey's making), but Overdose's wretched luck came as a pure bolt from the blue. He was robbed of what would very likely have been victory in the Prix de l'Abbaye by a malfunction of the starting stalls, allied to an unsatisfactory recall procedu his jockey Andreas Suborics did not realise that it was a false start and he stormed to the line in isolation, running a time virtually identical to that posted by the eventual winner Marchand D'or in the re-run (in which Overdose did not take part).

Happily, Overdose's season did not have to end on that miserable note. Unfazed by that heart-breaking experience and by the prospect of a heavy track, his connections took him to Italy six weeks later for the Group Three Premio Umbria, a 1200m race in Rome. The Italian authorities certainly didn't make things easy for this freak three-year-old as he was lumbered with 64.5 kilos (against older horses), but he treated this burden as if it didn't exist, starting to pull away from his rivals virtually as soon as the gates flew open and drawing ever farther clear to win by ten lengths to take his unbeaten record to eleven from eleven. Afterwards, Zoltan Mikoczy, declared, "We are very happy and glad to win the race in Italy in such an impressive fashion. It was another great performance, and it was particularly pleasing after what happened in Paris. That will be it now for the season with him. He'll have a nice winter break and next year we are looking forward to bringing him to England to run at Royal Ascot and in the July Cup at Newmarket".

For many, the 2006 King's Stand Stakes victory by Takeover Target represented the ultimate modern-day Royal Ascot fairytale. Come next June, though, that opinion might just have to be revised.

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« 2009-Apr-20, 05:19 PM Reply #18 »
Nice story about 'Overdose' a Hungarian horse who is now 12 from 12, wears the national colours and has a real cult following in tough times.

(Note in the photo: the kids sitting on the rails, cheering, their backpacks chucked below them on the track!)


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« 2009-Apr-20, 06:01 PM Reply #19 »

Hungary’s Spirits Are Back Up, on a Horse

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The thoroughbred Overdose extended his record to 12 wins in 12 races on Sunday in Budapest.

Published: April 19, 2009

BUDAPEST — A racehorse bought for a pittance has turned into a national hero in crisis-stricken Hungary.

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The jockey Christophe Soumillon and Overdose after a victory on Sunday at Kincsem Park.

The thoroughbred known as Overdose pounded down the stretch here at Kincsem Park on Sunday to extend his record to 12 wins in 12 races, his jockey clad in the red, white and green of the Hungarian flag.

And for an afternoon at least, the crowd of more than 20,000 in the grandstand and lining the rail, along with all the Hungarians watching at home, could forget about the resignation of the prime minister and their currency’s nosedive.

As times have gotten tougher here, the 4-year-old Overdose has become the Hungarian Seabiscuit, a symbol of hope for Americans during the Great Depression. He appears to remind Hungarians of themselves: undervalued and underestimated.

“This horse has a mission here in Hungary,” said Zoltan Mikoczy, Overdose’s owner, a cheerful, balding steel trader with a weakness for thoroughbreds.

It is hard to overstate the great pride that Hungary, a small nation that has suffered many disappointments, feels for Overdose. The country was already afflicted with high debt and anemic growth before the global credit crisis struck last fall, leading to a bailout by the International Monetary Fund.

But now, instead of bailouts and bankruptcies, talk has centered for a change on Overdose’s new flashy Belgian jockey, Christophe Soumillon, who is married to a former Miss France, and on comparisons to the 19th-century Hungarian filly Kincsem, one of the greatest horses of all time and namesake of the track, who retired with an unblemished record in 54 races.

“I can compare Overdose to Seabiscuit,” said Zalan Horvath, the secretary of the Association for the Future of Equestrian Sports in Hungary. “I say that because the Hungarian nation has had a lot of bad times, in the last centuries but also lately.”

While Overdose’s fame is not as great as Seabiscuit’s, his success may be even more surprising. Mr. Mikoczy, 47, went to Newmarket, in Britain, with friends in 2006, after promising his wife that he would not buy another horse after purchasing four at a sale a month earlier. He put up his hand “just for fun” when the bidding for Overdose was merely about $3,500, never imagining that he would walk out with a thoroughbred for such a bargain basement price.

Nor did anyone predict victories for the horse in Rome and Baden-Baden, Germany. “We didn’t expect anything from the horse when he arrived,” said Sandor Ribarszki, the horse’s trainer, a quick-witted joker who has called Overdose “short” and “kind of ugly.” Now Mr. Ribarszki said he had trouble sleeping at night, wondering if anything had happened to the horse.

Since Overdose’s victory streak began, Mr. Mikoczy said, he has been offered $6.5 million for the horse, but has refused to sell.

“I didn’t buy the horse for business or to make a profit,” Mr. Mikoczy said. “You do not sell dreams.”

Overdose has been called the Wunderpferd, or Miracle Horse, in Germany and the Budapest Bullet in Britain. A writer at Britain’s Racing Post recently raved that he “leaves the stalls with the overdrive already engaged.”

But Overdose’s one setback may have done more to cement his reputation in Hungary than his dozen straight victories. At the prestigious Prix de l’Abbaye at Longchamp in Paris, Overdose appeared to win the premier sprint race with a time just shy of the 25-year-old course record.

But the seeming victory was nullified because a malfunctioning gate prevented one of the other horses from starting. Overdose’s team decided he had expended too much effort to be allowed to run again. His rival, Marchand D’Or, went on to win the race, and later the title of best European sprinter.

Tivadar Farkashazy, a Hungarian television commentator and journalist, compared the debacle to the Treaty of Trianon, signed in 1920 at Versailles, which whittled Hungarian territory down to a fraction of its size and remains a source of national outrage.

“Again the tough luck, again in France,” said Mr. Farkashazy, who has also written a book about the horse.

Trianon has special resonance to Overdose’s story. While the horse trains in Hungary and wears the colors of the country, his owner is an ethnic Hungarian who lives across the border in Slovakia.

“It’s important that the horse remains Hungarian,” Mr. Mikoczy said, even though there are superior facilities available in other countries. Indeed, Hungarian racing had been in a slow decline since World War II, and the money-losing Kincsem Park was in danger of closing, a fate Overdose appears to have prevented for the time being.

There is a clear patriotic tilt to the horse’s reception. He rode out Sunday with an honor guard of six flag-bearing riders dressed as Hussars, the famous Hungarian light cavalry, as tens of thousands screamed.

“For us Hungarians, it’s a big deal,” said Livia Nagy, 23, one of the thousands who came out for the race. “Overdose is something we can be proud of.”

The horse’s popularity has even attracted politicians. On Friday, Viktor Orban, chairman of the center-right Fidesz Party and a former prime minister who hopes to reclaim the job in next year’s election, turned up with a crowd of television cameras to pose with the star.

“Failure is the most often heard expression in Hungary today — failure, mistake, pessimism. When even a horse is able to make a miracle from nowhere, it’s a sign of hope that we can get out from the desperate situation we are now in,” Mr. Orban said.

“If I were a politician, I would do the same, because Overdose is one of the most famous persons in Hungary,” said Mr. Horvath, “even though he is a horse.”

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« 2009-Apr-21, 12:37 PM Reply #20 »
Overdose Eyes Melbourne Spring
Tuesday, 21 April 2009: A trip to Australia for unbeaten Hungarian sprint sensation Overdose will be considered if he can beat Takeover Target at Royal Ascot in June.

Racing Victoria's General Manager of Racing Operations Leigh Jordon reported that Overdose's connections have shown interest in start their sprinter in the Group One Patinack Farm Classic (1200m) at Flemington in NOvember.

The Patinack Farm Classic is the penultimate leg of the Global Sprint Challenge.

Overdose took his record to 12 wins from as many starts last weekend when he recorded an eight lengths win over 1000m at Kinscem Park in Hungary.

He is now heading to England to prepare for the G1 King's Stand Stakes and G1 Golden Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot and the July Cup at Newmarket.

The Golden Jubilee and July Cup arere the two races Takeover Target has on his agenda when he makes his fourth visit to the UK.

The nine-year-old Takeover Target showed he is as good as ever when he raced away with last Saturday's G1 T.J. Smith Stakes at Randwick.

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« 2009-Apr-21, 05:55 PM Reply #21 »
Shit i kind of hope they dead heat now.    :chin:

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« 2009-May-08, 02:48 PM Reply #22 »
Soumillon - retained to ride Overdose.


Overdose features among 27 entries for the betfred.com Temple Stakes at Haydock - but must overcome a foot problem to make it to the race.

Trainer Sandor Ribarszski said: "We are hoping to get Overdose ready for the betfred.com Temple Stakes but he has suffered a problem with his shoes, which is causing him pain. We have taken off his shoes and put some medication on his hooves.

"He was working very well last week until we noticed that he was in pain on Saturday night, so I took the shoes off and called the vet immediately.

"He will return on Thursday and there will hopefully be no more pus left in his foot and we can get him back working again. If not, then we have to make other plans for Overdose, but I am hopeful of taking him to Haydock at the moment.

"It's frustrating and the same problem with his shoes happened just days before his last run. He still bolted in, even though his plates fell off during the race, but the races in Britain will be far harder contests for him.

"The farrier came and put some new plates on him afterwards and it is possible that they might have been too tight for him, which is why he is in pain.

"I will never forget his latest victory at Kincsem Park and I think that anybody who was there, or has seen the race on TV, will ever forget either. I have never seen a day's racing in Hungary like that before, with so many people coming to see one horse run.

"I know we are going to come up against some very good sprinters in the betfred.com Temple Stakes but, if we can get Overdose 100% ready and he makes the journey over in good shape, I think he will be very hard to beat."

Christophe Soumillon has been retained to ride Overdose in all his races this season.

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« 2009-May-12, 06:51 PM Reply #23 »
If Overdose came to oz to race... what odds would it be that the protesters would want its name changed?

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« 2009-May-12, 06:53 PM Reply #24 »
If Overdose came to oz to race... what odds would it be that the protesters would want its name changed?

It's fav for the King stand and Golden Jubilee, a good lay imo