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Offline Speedster88

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O.P. « 2018-Oct-01, 11:03 AM »
Hi Folks,
New to the site.
I handicap in the US -so I need some help with my questions about foreign racing.
I need to know how the races are structured in Australia, NZ, Japan, HK, Singapore, Malaysia and Korea.
For instance, I know that there are 6 Classes in Korean Races.
Class levels 5 and 6 appear to be restricted to Korean breds.
However, among them, they appear to have a further letter grade such that it appears to be a Class 6 A or a Class 6 C  etc.
I need to know if the "A" is for better horses or if it means something else.
Likewise in Australian races, is Benchmark 58 for horses that have only won the Maiden or can it also been for former competitive horses (more than 1 win etc) that haven't won recently?.
The list goes on.
In US racing the structure is:
Graded
Stakes (ungraded)
Allowance
Claiming
Maiden

However, within each of these categories, there are other categories -  Class/Conditions.
Eg,
In Graded races, there are weight for age races and Handicap races ( subjectively, the weight for age and gender are better than the Handicaps).
In the ungraded Stakes division, there are unrestricted and restricted races (usually for Statebreds eg New York Breds or Oklahoma breds etc or, restricted by number of non claiming wins etc).
In the Allowance ranks, you see Non-Winners of 2,3 etc Lifetime, Non-Winners of Other than (N1X,N2X)etc and No Condition Allowance (AL-NC) races
Claimers have open or restricted claimers (N2L, N1Y, N2X etc)
Maidens can be anything from a Maiden Special Weight (usually strong) to a State-Bred Maiden Claimer for 2yr old fillies (very weak).

I need to understand this type of structure of the above mentioned jurisdictions or at least, be directed to where I can find this info.

If anyone out there understands what I am talking about, please feel free to respond.
Thank you
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-04, 04:42 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-03, 09:53 PM Reply #1 »
I think the answer would to your question would require someone to write an essay.  Any maybe the person to do the research is you. 

I do not believe there is any such thing as an ungraded stakes race in Australia (and probably New Zealand).  From my very limited knowledge (reading old copies of the American Racing Manual (now out of print)) this seems to be something that is confined to USA and Canada.   

Graded races in Australia (and probably New Zealand) are referred to as 'Group' races and divided into Group1, or 2, or 3 and Listed (in the early days races that are now 'Listed' were sometimes referred to as Group 4).   

Generally all races in Australia are open to horses bred and owned anywhere in the world.  The only restriction are auction sales based races such as those run by 'Magic Millions' or 'Inglis' for horses sold through their venues and these are very few although the prizemoney is high.   

As far as Group 1 races are concerned the most competitive are those for all horses run at weight for age, next are handicaps and then those restricted by age or sex.  The same would apply to G2 then G3 than Listed.

As an aside the best horses generally run in Sydney (at Randwick or Rosehill tracks) in September / October and March / April and in Melbourne  (at Flemington, Caulfield or Moonee Valley tracks)  in October / November and February/ March of each year with some major races in other major cities outside this period. 

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« 2018-Oct-04, 12:05 AM Reply #2 »

Likewise in Australian races, is Benchmark 58 for horses that have only won the Maiden or can it also been for former competitive horses (more than 1 win etc) that haven't won recently?.


There is no restriction on as horse entering a Benchmark race speedster (as I understand it).

If Winx were to nominate for (say) a BM 70. A horse with a BM rating of 70 gets 58 kg. With a Benchmark rating of 132 she would get 62 points (132 - 70) times 0.5 kg = 31 kg above the weight the BM horse is carrying (58 kg) = 89 kg - maybe a small adjustment for her being a mare.

There is an explanation by example on this PDF

Racing-NSW-Benchmark-and-Handicapping-Guide-1Nov2010.pdf

Which you can get from googling formula for working out benchmark handicaps - look for the result that points you to racingnsw.com.au

For simplicity I use these ratings (in kilograms not pounds)

BM95 = 61 kg
BM90 = 60 kg
BM85 = 59 kg

etc.

Less 2 kg for fillies and mares.

I separate city form from country form because a horse that comes to Sydney having run around in country BM75 races will typically underperform a city stabled horse with the same BM rating.
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-04, 12:43 AM by PoisonPen7 »

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« 2018-Oct-04, 03:11 PM Reply #3 »
Hi TimW,
Thank you for your response.
Yes. I am doing my research -  but the internet does not always give me the answers - thus, I turn to this forum in search of folks who may have the answers.

With regard to Graded/Group, Listed and Blacktype Stakes races, I thinks the concepts are universal - weight for age, age, gender etc..
However, the party ends there.
In the US, we have Class/Condition levels within levels - and I am fascinated by them.
You are right, I could write essays about these Class/Conditions.
However, I have a myriad of questions about racing in Asian and Australasia.
Thus, I truly appreciate the responses and input.
Thank you for the info about Australian racing jurisdictions.
However, I have more questions for you or anyone else who feels like responding.
So, my understanding of the Australian Racing Class Ladder is this:
        Group 1
        Group 2
        Group 3
        Listed
   CLASS 6
   CLASS 5
   CLASS 4
   CLASS 3
   CLASS 2
   CLASS 1
   MAIDEN

Is this a correct approximation?

Please feel free to correct me and add as much detail as possible (to anyone else reading this too)

Where do Benchmark races fit in?
What are the Benchmark bands/levels?
How many Benchmark Bands/Levels in Australian racing?
eg
Benchmark 70
Benchmark 60
Benchmark 58

I know that it (Benchmark ratings) means that that is a rating in Kg/Lbs given by an official handicapper
Also, what are Class 1 races, Class 2 races etc
In the US, they may be what we refer to as Non-Winners of 2 races Lifetime and a Class 3 could be a Non-Winners of 3 races Lifetime.

Are there Class ratings based on letters of the alphabet ?
eg
CLASS A
CLASS B
CLASS C
etc

If so, where do they fit on the class ladder or what are they equal to or approximations of ?

« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-04, 04:56 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-04, 03:21 PM Reply #4 »
Hi PoisonPen7,
Thanks for the info.
Question:
What is the Australian equivalent to US style horse past performances
I have uploaded a PDF of a race at Belmont Park in New York as an example.
Does an Australian equivalent of this type of past performance record exist ?
Thank you
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-04, 03:28 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-04, 03:28 PM Reply #5 »
Hi PoisonPen7,
Thanks for the info.
Question:
What is the Australian equivalent to US style horse past performances
I have uploaded a PDF of a race at Belmont Park in New York as an example.
Does an Australian equivalent of this exist ?
Thank you

Hi Speedster.

You can get online form guides from many sources for Australian racing.

For Sydney and NSW the racingnsw.com.au site has video form as well as written form

For Melbourne and Victoria there is a similar site at racing.com

(you should be able to find the form without much effort).

There is more detailed written form available along the lines of your Belmont form you attached at racingandsports.com.au that includes ratings as well - sample attached.


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« 2018-Oct-04, 03:40 PM Reply #6 »
Thanks, PoisonPen7!!
Are there Class/Condition levels within the Benchmark ranked races?
Eg is a Benchmark 58, (theoretically), open for Winx to run in - with the only handicap, to her, being the humongous weight assignment?

I ask because, here, we'd never run her in a Claimer.

She would only race is Graded/Non-Graded Stakes races or Classified Allowance races.

Would love to see her appear for the Breeders Cup

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« 2018-Oct-04, 05:01 PM Reply #7 »
Hi PoisonPen7,
I have asked these questions of another contributor on this thread.
However, I am going to ask the same of you (or anyone else who feels like educating me).

So, my understanding of the Australian Racing Class Ladder is this:
        Group 1
        Group 2
        Group 3
        Listed
   CLASS 6
   CLASS 5
   CLASS 4
   CLASS 3
   CLASS 2
   CLASS 1
   MAIDEN

Is this a correct approximation?

Please feel free to correct me and add as much detail as possible (to anyone else reading this too)

Where do Benchmark races fit in?
What are the Benchmark bands/levels?
How many Benchmark Bands/Levels exist in Australian racing?
eg
Benchmark 70
Benchmark 60
Benchmark 58

I know that it (Benchmark ratings) means that that is a rating in Kg/Lbs given by an official handicapper
Also, what are Class 1 races, Class 2 races etc
In the US, they may be what we refer to as Non-Winners of 2 races Lifetime and a Class 3 could be a Non-Winners of 3 races Lifetime.

Are there Class ratings based on letters of the alphabet ?
eg
CLASS A
CLASS B
CLASS C
etc

If so, where do they fit on the class ladder or what are they equal to or approximations of ?

Thank you.

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« 2018-Oct-04, 05:27 PM Reply #8 »
Hi Speedster.

Australian racing is broken into about seven racing jurisdictions and each has it's own rules.

In general however, you have

Group 1
Group 2
Group 3
Listed
Open Class
BM100
BM95
BM90
etc..down to
BM45

These are intermixed with Class races mainly outside of city areas.

Class 1 for horses having won only one race, Class 2 for horses having won 2 races, etc.

And maiden racing as well.

Occasionally you will get "Non Metro Winning" (NMW) races in cities - more common in Queensland. They also have metro Class 6 races which are popular.

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« 2018-Oct-04, 08:51 PM Reply #9 »
Hi Speedster.

Australian racing is broken into about seven racing jurisdictions and each has it's own rules.

In general however, you have

Group 1
Group 2
Group 3
Listed
Open Class
BM100
BM95
BM90
etc..down to
BM45

These are intermixed with Class races mainly outside of city areas.

Class 1 for horses having won only one race, Class 2 for horses having won 2 races, etc.

And maiden racing as well.

Occasionally you will get "Non Metro Winning" (NMW) races in cities - more common in Queensland. They also have metro Class 6 races which are popular.

adding to PP7's excellent information I can add
any horse can enter into a BM race including a maiden
Australia has followed HK in bench marking every horse for handicapping purposes
as he explained earlier those BM can be sourced from the Racing Australia web site   


so a class 2 horse can enter a group race , class 2 race or a BM race

if the horse is say a 4yo G and his BM is 64 he wouldn't get into a group race but if entered for a class 2 he would
if entered in a BM 64 race he would carry 61KG (if the horse was younger or female the scale is similar to WFA )
best study further for yourself if you really want to work out our weight scales
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« 2018-Oct-05, 01:53 AM Reply #10 »
Thank you, Poison Pen, - for helping me to understand this.
But,to keep on with this process, I take it then, that a Benchmark 45 could, theoretically, be higher than a Class 1 race - because it is not restricted by the number of previous wins but rather, based on the official handicapper's assessment of a particular horse's current form?

Next, are "Class" races restricted by the "type" of win as opposed to just the "number of wins" ? for example,  could a Class 1 race be a race restricted to horses that have not an "Open" or "Graded" race - and yet, be open to horses that have won multiple races that are not "Open" or "Graded" or even 'Metro".

Also, I may be comparing apples to oranges - but, the NMW races sound very similar to US "Statebred" restricted races, with Metro races being our "open", better quality races (open to all comers regardless of foaling/siring/breeding jurisdiction).
I take it that Australian races are separated into Metro (City), Provincial (Non Metro) and Country (US parlance = bush tracks) races?
Again, Thank you!!!
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« 2018-Oct-05, 02:09 AM Reply #11 »
Thank you, Ratsack.
I take it that you are familiar with Hong Kong racing?
If so, please feel free to educate me - and offer me some insight into the Class Structure/Class Ladder of Hong Kong racing.
Thank you

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« 2018-Oct-05, 07:54 AM Reply #12 »
Thank you, Poison Pen, - for helping me to understand this.
But,to keep on with this process, I take it then, that a Benchmark 45 could, theoretically, be higher than a Class 1 race - because it is not restricted by the number of previous wins but rather, based on the official handicapper's assessment of a particular horse's current form?


Theoretically that is correct mate.

In reality though BM45 races are only run at country meetings, and usually second tier meetings at that. A midweek city maiden would be much stronger.

Class 1's are country races as well but a bit stronger in the top tier meetings.


Next, are "Class" races restricted by the "type" of win as opposed to just the "number of wins" ? for example,  could a Class 1 race be a race restricted to horses that have not an "Open" or "Graded" race - and yet, be open to horses that have won multiple races that are not "Open" or "Graded" or even 'Metro".


No distinction between type of win. A horse could win a Group 1 in it's only win and still be eligible for a Class 1 provided it hasn't won another race. It would get a big weight though.



Also, I may be comparing apples to oranges - but, the NMW races sound very similar to US "Statebred" restricted races, with Metro races being our "open", better quality races (open to all comers regardless of foaling/siring/breeding jurisdiction).
I take it that Australian races are separated into Metro (City), Provincial (Non Metro) and Country (US parlance = bush tracks) races?
Again, Thank you!!!

Those 3 categories are correct. And in fact they form a major part of any adjustments I do in my ratings. If a horse is placed at (say) Tamworth in a BM 70 race then comes to town to race in a BM70 race it will invariably be a lot tougher to win.

There are a few other quirks too. Like the current situation with tracks located close to the Queensland border. Their maidens, Class 1 and 2's are a lot stronger due to the fact that city trainers come down from Brisbane for the better prizemoney. This has led to the maidens run at (say) Ballina being much stronger than a Class 1 at Quenbeyan down near Canberra because of the appearance of many city grade horses.

We are betting on Fresno races 5-7 and Santa Anita races 5-8 today.

You got any tips for us   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-05, 11:05 AM Reply #13 »
The format may be a bit rough . . may be of some help to everybody . . can't remember where it came from . . applies to QLD

A Saturday Class 6 is higher than a OMW– a OMW equates to a Class 5 which is 1.5 kilos under a Class 6.

A “Quality Handicap” has a maximum topweight of 61 kilos (8 kilos over the limit of 53 kilos), the weights are “scaled down 2 kilos as a Quality Handicap protects the better horses”

A horse may start in a Saturday OMW even if it has won 3 Welters provided that the winning midweek metropolitan prizemoney) does not exceed $8,500 to the winner, the horse can win any number of midweek races and still race in “no metropolitan win” class on a Saturday

Conversely, a horse winning a Sydney midweek race at Canterbury will not be eligible for a no metropolitan win race in Brisbane on a Saturday, as the Canterbury midweek race will be worth more than $8,500

A Class 1 race at Ipswich and a OMW Brisbane has a weight differential of 7½ kilos.
So, if a horse is weighted in a Class 1 at Ipswich carrying 5 kilos over the limit he therefore should get 2½ kilos under the limit in the OMW – but of course he can’t, as he must carry the limit weight”.

How can a horse win 3 races before running in a Class 1?

In country Queensland the classes go in the sequence of Maiden, Class A, Class B then Class 1. A horse is eligible to run in a Class A race as long as it hasn’t earned more than $3000 for winning a race/races. For the purpose of the exercise a horse may have accumulated $10,000 in placed prizemoney in Maidens, but only earns $2,600 when winning its Maiden.
That horse is still eligible for a Class A race because of the $2,600 “winning” prizemoney factor. Similarly, it is also eligible for a Class B if it has not accumulated more than $6000 in “winning” prizemoney after having won a Maiden and Class A/B. At say Mt. Isa, the winning prizemoney at the non-TAB venue is $2600, hence the scenario of a horse winning three races before it has to start in a Class 1 is quite common.

Any horse can win two Maidens in Australia. The historically proven one is where a horse runs 2nd in a Maiden and then wins a Maiden at a subsequent start. The winner of the original Maiden (that it ran 2nd to) returns a positive swab and is disqualified and as such this horse referred to now has won 2 Maidens. In any event every horse is entitled to win a Maiden flat race and a Maiden hurdle – hence all horses have the ability to win two Maidens.

A Country Cup is normally programmed as either a OMW win or a 1 MW and also restricted by a condition that the horse must have had at least 5 runs in the last 12 months outside the metropolitan area. Again, the scaling of these races can vary.

Various types of Special Condition events are programmed in Brisbane, such as:
OMW = Class 5
1MW = Class 6
2MW = Class 6 – 1.5kg
3 MW = Class 6 – 3kg

By adding an additional clause “in the last 12 months” allows horses which have not won at a metropolitan Saturday or public holiday to compete.
The strength of these events vary and, consequently, the scale of weights. For example, the 2MW-LY at Doomben on Saturday 27 August is rated only 1.5kg inferior to a Metropolitan Open Hcp.

When 40 horses are nominated for a race and only 20 are required a handicapper will allocate an order of ballot on all 40 horses. In general the ballot shall be done, in order, from the horse/s with the lowest handicap – but in the order determined by the Handicapper.

 In Set Weight Plate events this is based on the average earnings per start basis of each runner

Maiden Plates are different . In other races eg feature events, the Club may stipulate Special Conditions.

A first starter Maiden is handicapped at a set figure & filly allowed 1.5kg.
Horse and filly are considered equal.
An unraced horse would have preference over an unplaced horse

A horse that wins a sales bonus race eg 2YO Magic Millions - is assessed as equivalent to a Group win

“Open C-6” is open to all & stronger than a “F-M Class 6”. They vary according to strength and season.

A Three-Years-Old Class 6 event is really a continuation of a Two-Years-Old handicap.
By using “Class 6” in the description in lieu of “Three-Year-Old Handicap” allows horses to win more races in this grade, as the winner of one 3YO Hcp then becomes a Class 5 horse and a second win would render the horse ineligible to compete in the Class system.
Three-Years-Old Open Handicaps are programmed later in the season.
Three-Year-Old events can vary throughout the season with the later events bordering on an Open Class 6.

Plates are a combination of different classes like “Graduations”,


MAIDEN   22   BM 45   22.5   
            
CLASS 1   24         
      BM 50   25   
CLASS 2   26         
            
CLASS 3   28   BM 55   27.5   
            
CLASS 4   30   BM 60   30   
            
CLASS 5   33   BM 65   32.5   
            
      N.M.W.   33.5   
            
CLASS 6   35   BM 70   35   
            
      2.M.W.   36   
            
      BM 75   37.5   
            
      BM 80   40   

HANDICAPPING POLICY
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Variations to allocated weights
A horse may carry more than its allocated weight, due, for example, to the jockey’s excess weight. The handicapper takes into account any extra weight carried when assessing the horse’s previous performance and setting the weight.

Special condition race – a race other than a restricted race, as defined under the Australian Rules of Racing, which was restricted by prizemoney and/or races won.
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Adjustments to weights are calculated according to a number of factors, including the strength of the opposition, the merit of the win, the winning margin. Attached are schedules for:
• Minimum weights and top weights in Queensland races
• Scaling of Queensland racetracks
• General scaling policy
• Maiden handicap scales
• Weight allowances
• Beaten margin scale
• Standard weight for age for flat races
Restricted races

New horses to the State
A handicapper from Queensland Racing’s Brisbane office weights all horses new to Queensland.

Amending weights
The Rules of Racing provide for the amending of weights that have been officially released.
AR.111A. states:
(1) The stewards may, subject to subrule (2) of this rule, within any reasonable time, permit the handicapper to amend the allotted weight of any horse in a handicap race.
(2) The stewards may allow the handicapper to amend the allotted weight of a horse only if they are satisfied that the allotted weight was incorrect because of:
(a) a clerical error at the time of release of such weights, or
(b) incomplete or inaccurate information on the performances, age, sex or identity of any entry, or
(c) an error by the handicapper in the assessment of the age or sex of any entry or of the conditions for the race.
(3) The handicapper may with the permission of the stewards and before the declaration of acceptances, issue a substitute set of weights for a handicap race only when –
(a) a correctly nominated horse was not included in the original weights, or
(b) the original weights are not in accordance with the conditions for the race.
(4) Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this rule, an error in the allotted weight of any horse in a weight-for-age, set-weight or set-weight-and-penalties race may be corrected any time.
LR63A states:
(c) Subject to the approval of stewards and notwithstanding the provisions of AR.111A, any horse which is an acceptor in any race that is cancelled or abandoned may be renominated for any meeting for which the weights have been released by acceptances have not been taken. For the purpose of this rule, the handicapper shall weight each renominated horse in accordance with the same weight scale issued at the time of initial declaration of weights.

            
            
            
BM 50   25         
CLASS 2   26         
BM 55   28         
CLASS 3   28         
BM 60   30         
CLASS 4   30         
BM 65   33         
CLASS 5   33         
N.M.W.   33.5         
BM 70   35         
CLASS 6   35         
2.M.W.   36         
BM 75   38         

Set weight class racing scales (3YO & upwards)

CLASS 6 PLATE (Set Weights)
Class of horse   Weight above min
Class 6   +5KG
Class 5   +3.5KG
Class 4   +2KG
Class 3 to Maiden   +0.5KG
Note: Fillies receive a 2kg allowance 3yo’s receive allowance

CLASS 3 PLATE (Set Weights)
Class of horse   Weight above min
Class 3   +5KG
Class 2   +3.5KG
Class 1   +2KG
Maiden   +0.5KG
Note: Fillies receive a 2kg allowance 3yo’s to receive allowance

CLASS ONE PLATE (Set weights)
Class of horse   Weight above min      
   Aug - Nov   Dec - Mar   Apr - Jul
Class 1   +5KG   +5KG   +5KG
Maiden 4YO and up   +2KG   +2KG   +2KG
Maiden 3YO   +0.5KG   +1KG   +1.5KG
Note: Fillies receive a 2kg allowance C1 3yo’s to receive allowance



BENCHMARK RACES

Benchmark races  have no restrictions and they allow uncompetitive horses to drop back to easier races

In  Provincial meetings each rating point represents 0.5kg.

As the minimum top weight is 59kg, horses with a rating equal to the ‘benchmark’ of the race

In a Benchmark 90 race, a horse rated 90 will receive 59kg . . . a horse rated 92 will receive 1kg over the benchmark  (60kg).

 A mare rated 88 will receive 1kg under top weight, or 58kg . . .  56kg after the 2kg allowance for mares


Benchmark 70 race Julia Creek (limit 56kg):

2 $6,000 Booth Pastoral Services Benchmark 70 Handicap
Field Limit 12+5E 1000 METRES
1 Left Behind 8G [72] 61.5 (C6)
2 Boris 7G [70] 60.0 (C6)
2 Filou Shot 8G [70] 60.0 (Open)
4 Ready To Burn 6G [66] 58.0 (C3)
5 Richart 8G [63]56.5 (C5)
6 AvGas 4G [62] 56.0 (C3)
7 Just Chill Out 6G [53] 56.0 (C1)
8 Basaltic Banne 7G [52] 56.0 (C1)

The Benchmark is always four kilograms over the limit in the country and ratings with
the addition + denotes an extra 0.5kg as applied to all races in the country for example;
71+, 72+, up to 81+.

Boris and Filou Shot,  open class horses rate 70 equalling the benchmark, receiving 60kg

 Left Behind’s rating is 1.5kg over giving him 61.5kg.

Allowances for Mares and three-year-olds are applicable

A  mare rated 70 would have received 58kg.

 If no horse rating equals the benchmark, the weights will be relatively raised to LIMIT + 4kg

Class    Rating   Class   Rating
Maiden   22   BM 45   22
Class 1   24   BM 50   25
Class 2   26   BM 55   28
Class 3   28   BM 60   30
Class 4   30   BM 65   33
Class 5   33   BM 70   35
Class 6   35   BM 75   38
      BM 80   40



      


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« 2018-Oct-05, 03:45 PM Reply #14 »
Hi PoisonPen7,
Sorry I didn't respond earlier.
Had to go to work - and didn't see your request until evening.
I have uploaded the full Daily Racing Form (DRF) PDF cards for Santa Anita for Oct 5 and Oct 6.
Unfortunately, I will have to do this in 4 parts due to file size limits on this site.
The horses highlighted in yellow on the PDF's would be my best selections - I'd expect them to hit the board - thus, they are win, place or show prospects.
The ones highlighted in blue are horses I like - I'd only be interested in them if the odds drift out and they go off as longshots
I will try to respond to everyone - time permitting.
Again, thanks for the info
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« 2018-Oct-05, 03:47 PM Reply #15 »
Races 5 -8 for Santa Anita Oct 5 - 2018

The horses highlighted in yellow on the PDF's would be my best selections - I'd expect them to hit the board - thus, they are win, place or show prospects.
The ones highlighted in blue are horses I like - I'd only be interested in them if the odds drift out and they go off as longshots
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-05, 04:36 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-05, 03:59 PM Reply #16 »
These are the DRF Saturday, Santa Anita races - PART 1

Hi PoisonPen7,
Sorry I didn't respond earlier.
Had to go to work - and didn't see your request until evening.
I have uploaded the full Daily Racing Form (DRF) PDF card Oct 6.
The horses highlighted in yellow on the PDF's would be my best selections - I'd expect them to hit the board - thus, they are win, place or show prospects.
The ones highlighted in blue are horses I like - I'd only be interested in them if the odds drift out and they go off as longshots
I will try to respond to everyone - time permitting.
Again, thanks for the info
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-05, 04:37 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-05, 04:04 PM Reply #17 »
These are the DRF Saturday, Santa Anita races - PART 2

Hi PoisonPen7,
Sorry I didn't respond earlier.
Had to go to work - and didn't see your request until evening.
I have uploaded the full Daily Racing Form (DRF) PDF card Oct 6.
The horses highlighted in yellow on the PDF's would be my best selections.
The ones highlighted in blue are horses I like
I will try to respond to everyone - time permitting.
Again, thanks for the info

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« 2018-Oct-05, 04:09 PM Reply #18 »
These are the DRF Saturday, Santa Anita races - PART 3

Hi PoisonPen7,
Sorry I didn't respond earlier.
Had to go to work - and didn't see your request until evening.
I have uploaded the full Daily Racing Form (DRF) PDF card Oct 6.
The horses highlighted in yellow on the PDF's would be my best selections - I'd expect them to hit the board - thus, they are win, place or show prospects.
The ones highlighted in blue are horses I like - I'd only be interested in them if the odds drift out and they go off as longshots.
I will try to respond to everyone - time permitting.
Again, thanks for the info
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-05, 04:37 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-05, 04:15 PM Reply #19 »
Hi Arthur,
Thank you for the write-up. I will be going over the information with a fine tooth comb - because these are the types of racing class conditions "LEGALESE" situations that I am looking for and trying to understand - and I will have questions.
Please check this post/thread from time to time - please.
Meanwhile, if you bet US races, I have uploaded the Santa Anita Race Cards for Oct 5 and 6.
Thank you
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-05, 05:42 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-06, 04:16 PM Reply #20 »
Hi Arthur or anyone else,
On 10/5/2018 what is the 8th race at Doomben.
My PDF identifies it as CJA INTL DIVISION ONE (RS1MW) ($70K)
What does that Class/Condition mean?
What does "CJA" mean?
What does  "INTL DIVISION ONE" mean - is it International Division one? what does that mean?
What is "(RS 1MW) ?
Thank you
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-06, 05:07 PM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-06, 04:54 PM Reply #21 »
CJA INTL is simply a sponsor's name.

RS1MW means race restricted to horses who have no more than 1 previous metropolitan win.

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:04 PM Reply #22 »
Thank you Sir!!

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« 2018-Oct-07, 04:10 AM Reply #23 »
Question about the 3rd race at Coonamble on 10-6-2018
What is an OPEN race? Is it a race classified as a race with no restrictions or special conditions?
What, if any, Benchmark level races are these types of "Open" races better than?
What, if any, CLASS races are these types of "Open" races better than? (Eg CLASS 5, CLASS 6 - Metro, Provincial, Country) [based on personal opinion or otherwise] ?
Are these OPEN races better than, equal to or lower than Listed Races?
Are they better than, equal to or lower than any Handicaps (Excluding the Melbourne Cup) - if so, elaborate
Thanks folks
Sorry about having to ask so many dumb questions.
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-07, 04:53 AM by Speedster88 »

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« 2018-Oct-07, 08:55 AM Reply #24 »
Coonamble is a country venue thus it rates lower than those other precincts


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