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« 2014-Jun-08, 09:24 AM Reply #50 »
Well it did not happen and one of the owners is showing his true colours, he is a bad sport what ever his name is.

Actually I feel abit for him. Not a wise move to agree to be interviewed so soon after the event whilst obviously so emotional. Be interesting to see what he says in a few hours or days.


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« 2014-Jun-08, 09:28 AM Reply #51 »
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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:08 AM Reply #53 »
Disgusting outburst by the sore loser. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, After seeing that I'm glad his horse lost


Shocker of a ride on Ride on Curlin as well

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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:09 AM Reply #54 »
1 minute 23 or there abouts his wife pokes him in the back, She can tell he is going to far and will regret his comments.

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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:16 AM Reply #55 »
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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:40 AM Reply #56 »
If I was the owner I would have been more upset with the ride.

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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:45 AM Reply #57 »
Thought he had every chance mate. Just didn't run the trip

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« 2014-Jun-08, 10:47 AM Reply #58 »
One of the commentators summed it up perfectly at the end of that interview when you hear them say 'some bitterness there'. No one is going to feel sorry for the owner after that outburst.

It's a shame because it detracts from the horse and what it had done up to that point, just wasn't good enough in the end, and the jockey took it far too wide.

oh well, maybe next year.

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« 2014-Jun-08, 11:10 AM Reply #59 »
Yup...not good enough on the day, might have been a length or two closer if he stayed on the rails or near anyway...but not dominant today.No way disgraced or disappointing.
Funny, his youtube trackwork videos showed a less happy nag in last few days....to my novice eye anyway...tried to deny it to myself LOL.
......went off the boil a little thats all.
Still, brave enough.
Horse cannot control his owners gob either.
Good on ya Chromie.

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« 2014-Jun-08, 02:00 PM Reply #60 »
If the owner wasn't such a XXXX, I think there'd be plenty of people ready to forgive the horse after seeing this...

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« 2014-Jun-08, 03:59 PM Reply #61 »
Ouch!
They say they race through pain...makes no difference...
Bit of a generalisation I think...
We will never know, until one of em talks!

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« 2014-Jun-08, 05:39 PM Reply #62 »
If I was the owner I would have been more upset with the ride.


I don't reckon there was a problem with the ride.  He put him where he could win and not get locked in.
Either the hoof injury was the problem or he simply didn't stay.  I'm on record as saying he looked like he wouldn't get the distance
taken from his Preakness. 
Shame. 
I can understand the owner being upset.  So much hype and pressure.  But he needs to realise that there is a very good reason
few horses can win the Triple Crown.
And maybe "breeding for speed" is the major problem. 

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« 2014-Jun-08, 06:03 PM Reply #63 »
I don't reckon there was a problem with the ride.  He put him where he could win and not get locked in.
Either the hoof injury was the problem or he simply didn't stay.  I'm on record as saying he looked like he wouldn't get the distance
taken from his Preakness. 
Shame. 
I can understand the owner being upset.  So much hype and pressure.  But he needs to realise that there is a very good reason
few horses can win the Triple Crown.
And maybe "breeding for speed" is the major problem. 

FZ,

I thought the following during the race...not knowing the horse can stay....moderate pace....why not stay the fence...behind the leader...the easiest run you can get....then they move out and I thought...no....but in saying that...that hoof injury....at the start.....whatever...super horse...don't ya like horses that give their everything..... :

then I don't mind losing my dough...but I did not not have a bet on the race...too short for the uncertain thoughts..or can it stay....

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« 2014-Jun-08, 08:07 PM Reply #64 »
I thought there was nothing wrong with the ride.  Had he stayed on the fence and the leaders compounded the jockey would have been roasted, and rightly so.  Remember too that on dirt getting an uninterupted run is far more important than acceleration.  Remember too that the winner was 3 deep without cover the trip - it is hard to complain about CC being wide the last bend costing him the race considering that.

I think FZ has it right re breeding for speed.  Considering that, maybe they should move the Belmont later in the season, like the UK do with the St Leger.

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« 2014-Jun-08, 08:31 PM Reply #65 »
There are other races later in the season, the triple crown should never be changed. If they do it will no longer be the same triple crown that Secretariat and company won.


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« 2014-Jun-09, 12:29 AM Reply #66 »
There are other races later in the season, the triple crown should never be changed. If they do it will no longer be the same triple crown that Secretariat and company won.


Of course the distances, dates and even the order of the 3 races have been changed many times over the years, although not since Secretariat won his Triple Crown.

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« 2014-Jun-09, 03:53 AM Reply #67 »
As it stands, I don't think we'll see a TC winner for a long time.  Maybe never.

The breed is too fragile now thanks to the drugs. 

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« 2014-Jun-09, 11:18 AM Reply #68 »
Of course the distances, dates and even the order of the 3 races have been changed many times over the years, although not since Secretariat won his Triple Crown.

Are you sure about this ?

I was pretty certain that the 11 triple crown winners all won the same sequence of races over the same trip at the same time of the year.

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« 2014-Jun-09, 02:02 PM Reply #69 »
Are you sure about this ?

I was pretty certain that the 11 triple crown winners all won the same sequence of races over the same trip at the same time of the year.


Since 1931, the order of Triple Crown races has been the Kentucky Derby first, followed by the Preakness Stakes, and then the Belmont Stakes. Prior to 1931, eleven times the Preakness was run before the Derby. On May 12, 1917 and again on May 13, 1922, the Preakness and the Derby were run on the same day. On eleven occasions, the Belmont Stakes was run before the Preakness Stakes.

The Kentucky Derby is now always held on the first Saturday in May; the Preakness Stakes is held two weeks later; and the Belmont Stakes is held three weeks after the Preakness.

From 1875 to 1895 the Kentucky Derby was run over 2400m. It has been 2000m since 1896. It was run in mid-May until 1933 when it was brought forward to the first week in May.

The Preakness was first run in 1873 at Pimlico, Maryland. In 1890 it was moved to Morris Park (The Bronx) New York and from 1894 to 1908 it was run at Gravesend Race Course, Coney Island, New York. In 1909 it was returned to Pimlico. The Preakness has been run over many distances: 1873-1888,1890 (2410m); 1889 (2010m); 1894-1900, 1908 (1710m); 1901-1907 (1670m); 1909-1910 (1610m); 1911-1924 (1810m); since 1925 (1910m)


The Belmont Stakes was run at a mile and five furlongs from 1867 to 1873; a mile and a quarter in 1890, 1891, 1892, 1895, 1904 and 1905; a mile and a furlong in 1893 and 1894; a mile and three furlongs from 1896 to 1903 and from 1906 to 1925. The current distance of a mile and half was established in 1926.
The race was run at Jerome Park Racecourse, The Bronx, New York from 1867 to 1889. In 1890 it moved to Morris Park also in the Bronx and in 1905 it moved to Belmont. It was run in a clockwise direction from 1867 to 1920. From 1921 it changed to anticlockwise.

Only Sir Barton (1919) and Gallant Fox (1930) won the Triple Crown prior to the current order being set in stone in 1931 although all three races have been running since 1875; the Kentucky Derby being the youngest of the three.

Sir Barton won his Preakness over 1810m and won his Belmont Stakes running clockwise as opposed to the current direction.
Cheers

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« 2014-Jun-09, 02:17 PM Reply #70 »
Thanks Lert.

Looking at wikipedia -

It only became known as the triple crown from 1930, so since the "first" winner in 1935 - Omaha - it has not changed.


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« 2014-Jun-09, 05:54 PM Reply #71 »
Lasix means they wont recover enough.

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« 2014-Jun-10, 04:41 AM Reply #72 »
Heartfelt apology from the owner on Good Morning America.


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« 2014-Jun-10, 05:32 AM Reply #73 »
You could just tell he was so frustrated.  I think he was sure fate was on his side.
So much pressure.

He was angry that certain horses dodge TC races and then "gang up" on the only horse capable of winning it.
Silly really, because whether horses bypass the Derby or Preakness is immaterial. 
You have to win the Belmont and that's all there is to it.  Smarty Jones went closer than he did. 

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« 2014-Jun-10, 01:57 PM Reply #74 »
Followers don't win the triple crown anyway.
You need a high balling freewheeling freak of a horse and California Chrome is not that.
Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Secratariat and Citation could all carve out the fractions and keep going, they had bottom and didn't need to be lucky.

There hasn''t been a horse that hasn't won the triple crown since that has been unlucky not to and California Chrome is not in the same class as others that have failed. Only Sunday Silence has been beaten by a richly talented horse when failing to do so and the last horse to win it Affirmed, had to beat a great horse in Alydar to do so.
The other TC winners were just miles better than their contemporaries and just outclassed them by further as the distances increased.



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