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Offline arthur

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« 2018-Jul-04, 07:28 AM Reply #50 »
The crow took the shortcut  :chin:

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« 2018-Jul-04, 08:18 AM Reply #51 »
http://www.pedigree-dynamics.com.au/chilean-bred-thoroughbreds/

If the recent importation of the 2005 Chilean Horse of the Year ĎCefaluí results in stakes wins in this country, it could open the floodgates.  He is the first racehorse exported from Chile to race in Australia for 15 years and only the third in total.

http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseAllForm.aspx?HorseCode=NDExODI5NTM2&src=horsesearch

And what do you think that proves!

Bit hard rebutting something that has not been prebutted.

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« 2018-Jul-04, 09:56 AM Reply #52 »
Distances:
Australia to Chile 12,726 km
Australia to South Africa 10,383 km
South Africa to Chile 8,446 km

Make what you want out of that

3,290 km Sydney - Perth
1,275 km Cape Town - Durban
1,137 km Santiago - Buenos Aires

9,664 km Santiago - Auckland

« Last Edit: 2018-Jul-04, 09:59 AM by jfc »

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« 2018-Jul-04, 11:22 AM Reply #53 »
Distance from South Africa to Australia
Distance from Australia to South Africa is 10,408 kilometers. This air travel distance is equal to 6,467 miles. The air travel (bird fly) shortest distance between Australia and South Africa is 10,408 km= 6,467 miles.
Chile → South Africa
8,726 km

It is widely known that the tectonic plates are moving apart . .

Your figures must be from last year Bubba .




I think we all need to get out a bit more often  :confused1:

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« 2018-Jul-07, 08:54 AM Reply #54 »
Looks like PP7 has finally decided to put a sock in it, but my bet is he'll be back re-offending somewhere here.

One has to wonder what his agenda is.

But it seems to be like that of the racing industry which is plunging headlong into oblivion.

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« 2018-Jul-07, 11:13 AM Reply #55 »
Looks like PP7 has finally decided to put a sock in it, but my bet is he'll be back re-offending somewhere here.

One has to wonder what his agenda is.

But it seems to be like that of the racing industry which is plunging headlong into oblivion.

No sock in it.

You just refuse to answer my simplified (for your benefit) questions.

It is a conversation killer.

My criticisms of you are constructive criticisms. You had Chile down as the new home of all Australian Breeding operations to save money and I countered that ridiculous suggestion with the equally ridiculous suggestion of Brazil and the Pampas of Argentina.

Why bother with a traditional physical breeding model at all if you are going down that path?

May as well do test tube breeding. You can imagine the ads on Sky in future generations. "This week's special. Danehill sperm for $10.95 per kit".

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« 2018-Jul-07, 05:13 PM Reply #56 »
Clearly you've learned nothing from your failed stunts here.

Your questions were dumb so I was under no obligation to entertain them. You could have easily answered them yourself, if you'd made the slightest effort.

However I did answer them, telling you what to google.

Of course no one familiar with your modus operandi was surprised by your smart-arse response.

Now the fact is so far no one here has come up with even a single valid objection as why outsourcing to Chile would not work.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 08:15 AM Reply #57 »
Jfc, given the lack of traffic around here now days itís no surprise that others havenít disagreed with.
Personally I think itís a silly idea but couldnít be bothered discussing it. I do suspect you came up with and pursued it to be a shit stirred, .....in a nice way :beer:

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« 2018-Jul-08, 09:49 AM Reply #58 »
If you can't give reasons why you think the idea is silly then your opinion is inconsequential.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 11:02 AM Reply #59 »
In some instances that may be the case mate but I suspect my views wont change yours one iota

Thats not having a shot at you mate, it's just that I think you're throwing this out there to stimulate debate.....any debate  :lol:

At least you're prepared to do that rather than us having to tolerate the lies spewed by PM who never discusses anything. Just throws his self serving spam, which for some reason is tolerated :chin:

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« 2018-Jul-08, 11:07 AM Reply #60 »
If you can't give reasons why you think the idea is silly then your opinion is inconsequential.

I've implicitly given 100 reasons why it won't work - sorry you cannot see that.

Maybe you need to see a doc about the myopia  :bulb:

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« 2018-Jul-08, 12:04 PM Reply #61 »
100% of your reasons were wrong.

You chose to attack something without taking simple measures to do basic research.



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« 2018-Jul-08, 04:06 PM Reply #62 »
100% of your reasons were wrong.

You chose to attack something without taking simple measures to do basic research.

OK. Guilty as charged Sir!

I "attacked" your idea of migrating all Australian breeding operations to Chile as being unworkable, bordering on unintelligent.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 04:14 PM Reply #63 »
If you care to check I never suggested "all".

And you cannot attack the scheme as unworkable, when you haven't provided even one credible reason why it would not work.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 06:15 PM Reply #64 »
If you care to check I never suggested "all".

And you cannot attack the scheme as unworkable, when you haven't provided even one credible reason why it would not work.

It won't work financially.

There is a lot of investment from the Europe and the Middle East in Australian breeding. This investment keeps our breeding industry up to world standards. You move to Chile to be "cheap" this money probably won't follow.

Your tongue in cheek suggestion that the local population eats horsemeat to cover off what will happen to horses who are not up to a certain standard would be unacceptable to most Australians. And not just the horse racing fraternity. You would have to cover off the welfare of the horses and you have failed to do this.

There is the political hurdle of sending thousands of Australian rural jobs overseas. Our country towns are already burdened with unemployment and drug problems. Your model will add to this problem.

And above all, there is the implied authoritarianism in your model. You are clearly implying that horse breeders be forced to relocate to Chile.

If your model is so good it shouldn't need people to be forced to do it. It would have already happened.

But as we are increasingly seeing these days people think they can use a flimsy justification to ban things - and they seem to be winning if you look at some of the things that have been recently banned.

I see your model as some sort of enforcement directed at breeders to relocate to Chile with the usual rationalization of "we are doing it for the good of <insert politically correct reason here>".


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« 2018-Jul-08, 07:01 PM Reply #65 »
Quality is affected by genes, climate and soil, not by cheap labour. Therefore quality would not be compromised.

Slow horses here become pet food. In Chile they could become food for poor people, which seems like a better outcome.

No youngster in their right mind looking for stable employment would consider employment at stables.

No one is forcing anyone.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 07:36 PM Reply #66 »
Quality is affected by genes, climate and soil, not by cheap labour. Therefore quality would not be compromised.

Slow horses here become pet food. In Chile they could become food for poor people, which seems like a better outcome.

No youngster in their right mind looking for stable employment would consider employment at stables.

No one is forcing anyone.

Well if no-one if forcing people to go, and your model is superior, what can I say?

Off you go then. You could start by issuing a prospectus to raise capital and show everyone how you can make money breeding in Chile. Fund Managers are always looking for risk to add to their portfolio and I'm sure you could get a few to kick in if you sold it with the over simplification you have shown here.

Send me  postcard from Santiago.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 07:39 PM Reply #67 »
There's been some rubbish discussions here on the forum.

But none more so than this.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 07:44 PM Reply #68 »
Under no circumstance would I ever have anything to do with the racing industry. Punting excepted.

The world equine population needs to be reduced.

We have more than 400,000 feral horses. More than any other country.

They are a huge environmental problem destroying species.

Yet NSW politicians have just voted to exacerbate that huge problem!


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« 2018-Jul-08, 09:42 PM Reply #69 »
Under no circumstance would I ever have anything to do with the racing industry. Punting excepted.

The world equine population needs to be reduced.

We have more than 400,000 feral horses. More than any other country.

They are a huge environmental problem destroying species.

Yet NSW politicians have just voted to exacerbate that huge problem!

So your answer to getting rid of feral horses is to send the non feral horses to Chile?

Did we just make a right hand turn out of this thread?

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« 2018-Jul-09, 10:00 AM Reply #70 »
As it happens Chile is one of the few places on earth which doesn't have overpopulation of feral horses.

Thanks to pumas which perform a valuable managed service.

Now the fact is horses cause environmental damage and have very few uses these days.

There is only one workable way of managing them and that's culling.

Next time a drought hits them here many of them will starve to death, probably taking out other species in the process.


Again the point is if horses cause damage and have very few uses, then the answer is to stop producing so many of them.



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« 2018-Jul-09, 12:28 PM Reply #71 »
As it happens Chile is one of the few places on earth which doesn't have overpopulation of feral horses.

Thanks to pumas which perform a valuable managed service.

Now the fact is horses cause environmental damage and have very few uses these days.

There is only one workable way of managing them and that's culling.

Next time a drought hits them here many of them will starve to death, probably taking out other species in the process.

Again the point is if horses cause damage and have very few uses, then the answer is to stop producing so many of them.

So are you saying that we have a feral horse problem. And by not controlling them they can even starve to death.

Furthermore, to control them we need to stop producing so many "horses".

So relating that back to what we are talking about, are you saying that a reduction in the amount of thoroughbreds, in the absence of any other action, will reduce the feral horse population?

Or are you saying that we should be shooting ferals and exporting thoroughbred horses overseas at the same time and that will reduce the damage horses are doing.

If it is the latter, can I further ask that don't you think that the number of feral horses in Australia is statistically independent of the domestic thoroughbred population?

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« 2018-Jul-09, 05:35 PM Reply #72 »
Im with you PP, I  cant see how the 2 are related.
Racehorses are not released into the National Parks :wacko:

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« 2018-Jul-10, 03:15 AM Reply #73 »
Im with you PP, I  cant see how the 2 are related.
Racehorses are not released into the National Parks :wacko:

The thing that I would be worried about with jfc's Chilean stud would be he'd probably work hard to get it all set up and just as it is ready to go some Pablo Escobar type character will wander in and say "Nice ranch you've set up here. Now  :censored:  off".

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« 2018-Jul-10, 05:10 PM Reply #74 »
If it is the latter, can I further ask that don't you think that the number of feral horses in Australia is statistically independent of the domestic thoroughbred population?

No you can't!

It is a stupid and inconsequential question.

As is your whole post which erroneously quotes me.



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