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« 2017-Mar-10, 07:10 PM Reply #525 »
Holland and Mallyon face riding charges
BY BRUCE CLARK - @SNOWYCLARK
2 hours ago Horse Racing
Valediction beaten 53 lengths and charges laid. (Pic: racing.com)
It didn’t look good to the eye and now Racing Victoria stewards have stepped in and issued charges against riders Dean Holland and the face of the Festival Of Racing Katelyn Mallyon from a Moonee Valley race last month.
Even race caller Greg Miles seemed aghast as he watched and painted the picture of a lowly 3000m race at The Valley on March 3. The horses were beaten 33 lengths (Barge And Charge) and 53 lengths (Valediction) respectively.
Holland rode Barge And Charge; Mallyon rode Valediction for Gai Waterhouse.
“They are running it pretty quick,” was Miles’ first observation about 2600m out and on the racing.com on screen times it showed 11.72s and 11.57s furlongs at an early stage of the staying contest.
Then past the winning post the first time: “These two are having a bit of a war,” Miles said.
Then down the Dean Street side and he got to the last horse in his running call he noted: “He must be wondering what they are doing.”
And as they crossed the line it was pretty simple for the retiring soon Greg: “They were always going to run last and 2nd last they way they went out there.”
That was G Miles the master caller live on the night; Racing Victoria stewards took evidence that night also and subsequently continued inquiries until on Friday laying out the particulars of the charges under AR 135, which states:
"The rider of every horse shall take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that his horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field."
“Any person who in the opinion of the Stewards has breached, or was a party to breaching, any portion of this Rule may be penalised, and the horse concerned may be disqualified.”
Both riders faced the same charge with different particulars given they rode different horses naturally.
Here are Holland’s first: Holland has ridden Barge And Charge forward from the start from a three and four wide position until crossing to obtain a position outside the leader near the 2300m mark maintaining an extremely fast tempo.
Holland has continued to ride forward from the 2300m mark and pressure Valediction for the lead between approximately the 2100m and 1900m point whilst maintaining an extremely fast tempo.
Near the 1900m mark Holland did not steady his mount to afford Barge And Charge some respite due to the extremely fast tempo from the start, when it became apparent that Valediction, that was leading to its inside, wished to maintain the lead position.
Near the 1750m Holland again challenged Valediction for the lead and continued to contest for the lead maintaining an extremely fast tempo until obtaining the lead near the 1200m mark.
Holland’s actions between the 1750m and approximately the 1200m when continuing to challenge Valediction for the lead while maintaining an extremely fast tempo again resulted in him failing to afford Barge And Charge sufficient respite, when he should have steadied his mount.
The Stewards allege that Mr Holland’s actions, as set out above, resulted in Barge And Charge compounding from approximately the 600m to be placed 10th, beaten 33 lengths, and not being afforded full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.
These are particulars for Mallyon: Mallyon has ridden Valediction forward from the start from a three wide position.
Between the 2400m and 1750m when leading, Mallyon maintained an extremely fast tempo in an effort to maintain the lead, despite being pressured by Barge And Charge between approximately the 2100m and 1900m mark.
Near the 1750m Mallyon was again challenged for the lead by Barge And Charge however continued to lead and maintain an extremely fast tempo until surrendering the lead near the 1300m. Between the 1750m until approximately the 1500m, Ms Mallyon should have steadied her mount and surrendered the lead to afford Valediction some respite due to the extremely fast tempo from the start, when it became apparent Barge And Charge was going to continue to challenge and pressure for the lead.
The Stewards allege that Mallyon’s actions, as set out above, resulted in Valediction compounding from approximately the 600m to be placed 11th, beaten 53 lengths, and not being afforded full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.
On a busy day for RV stewards another charge was issued against trainer and owner Jody Thompson under Australian Rules of Racing 175(o)(iv) and 175(o)(iii) for failing to provide proper medical treatment and adequate nutrition to her retired racehorse, Skating for Gold which revolves around providing nutrition for a horse.
The horse was retired in November 2015 but the charge relates to a period from Christmas Day 2016 to January 27 2017.
It is alleged Skating For Gold suffered a recurrence of an historical wound to its medial aspect of the left fore heel and lost significant body condition such that by about 30 January 2017, it had a body condition score of 1 out of 5 (in accordance with the Agriculture Victoria Condition Scoring and Weight Estimation of Horses Body Condition Scoring System).
In is alleged Thompson failed to obtain veterinary treatment necessary for the horse.
All matters are referred to the Racing Appeals And Disciplinary Board.
 

It'll be interesting to see if this turns out the same as Grylls and the other apprentice who did the same thing and were successful at QCAT. :whistle:


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« 2018-Jan-01, 06:39 PM Reply #526 »
Very important time for Nyssa over the next 48 hours. Hope she can pull through.

Injured Jockey Update - Nyssa Burrells (Warwick Farm Trackwork)

Apprentice jockey Nyssa Burrells suffered a fall during jump-outs on Friday, 29th December 2017 when the horse she was riding fell and landed on her.

Update at 2pm on Sunday, 31st December 2017: Dr Duckworth reported that Nyssa Burrells remains stable in ICU at Liverpool Hospital where they are still monitoring her intracranial pressures. In the next 24 to 48 hours, doctors will try to decrease her sedation and see if she starts to respond.

Update at 8:50pm on Saturday, 30th December 2017: Nyssa remains in an induced coma at Liverpool Hospital. Dr Duckworth reports that Nyssa had another CT scan which was unchanged from yesterday. Doctors are still monitoring the pressure on her brain and the next 48 hours will be crucial.

Support is being provided to Nyssa Burrells's family during this difficult time and Racing NSW apprentice jockey mentor, Mark de Montfort, visited the hospital today as has racing chaplain, Rev. Colin Watts. Father Tom from Liverpool parish is also visiting the hospital today to offer support. The family is in good spirits under the circumstances.

Update at 10am on Saturday, 30th December 2017:
Nyssa's condition has remained stable overnight following yesterday's operation to drain blood from her brain.

Nyssa will continue to be closely monitored by doctors over the next 24 to 48 hours as she remains in a coma at Liverpool Hospital. Her family is by her bedside in good spirits.

Update at 5pm on Friday, 29th December 2017:
Nyssa is out of surgery and has been placed back in the ICU at Liverpool Hospital. The next 24 to 48 hours will be critical, with constant monitoring by doctors.

Update at 11:55am on Friday, 29th December 2017: Racing NSW's Dr David Duckworth has reported Nyssa is in an induced coma at Liverpool Hospital and has had a bleed on her brain. She is in the operating theatre now having the bleed drained from her brain.

Nyssa also has numerous other injuries that will need managing later on. More will be known in the next 24 hours depending on how she responds to the brain surgery but Nyssa has been listed as being in a critical condition.


http://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/jockeys-room/injured-jockey-update-nyssa-burrells-warwick-farm-trackwork/

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« 2018-Apr-27, 07:44 PM Reply #527 »
Stewards' Report - Craig Williams
 
Racing Victoria Staff@RacingInsider
26 April, 2018
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Racing Victoria (RV) stewards today concluded their inquiry into the riding tactics adopted by jockey Craig Williams on Nature Strip when finishing second as the $1.65 favourite in the Yulong VOBIS Gold Dash (1100m) at Caulfield last Saturday, 21 April 2018.

Further evidence was taken today from Mr Williams and his advocate Matthew Hyland, along with trainer John Sadler.

The stewards concurred with the evidence put forward by Mr Sadler that Mr Williams had erred by not allowing his mount to stride forward in the first 150 metres of the race to at least gain the position behind the eventual leader and subsequent winner, Sam’s Image.

The stewards were of the view that Mr Williams’ decision not to do so was influenced by Nature Strip being slow into stride, and that part of his instructions were not to get involved in a “speed battle”.

Mr Williams also emphasised that he decided not to ride his mount along early as the gelding would over-race, as it ultimately did after being crossed by Southern Turf near the 800-metre mark.

While the stewards believed that Mr Williams had erred in his ride, they could not be satisfied in all the circumstances that the error reached the requisite standard of proof for the stewards to successfully prosecute a charge of “failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure his mount wins or obtains the best possible placing at the end of a race” before the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board.

Stewards, having formed that view, elected not to take the matter any further.

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« 2018-May-05, 11:44 AM Reply #528 »
Geez, Jason Collett took no prisoners getting that first winner in Sydney home. 

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« 2018-May-05, 12:21 PM Reply #529 »
Geez, Jason Collett took no prisoners getting that first winner in Sydney home.

$5.50 into $4.40.

Favourite Roosevelt $1.65 out to $1.90 runs second last.

2nd race at the Goldie favourite was $1.85 out to $2.30 as per the listed flucs but I know it was much shorter last night. Might have even been $1.50.
Hard ridden to keep up with them and drops out to run dead last. Winner was the biggest firmer.

A day to take notice of the betting perhaps.

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« 2018-May-05, 03:20 PM Reply #530 »
Yeah Mr Marbellouz was $1.55 on Thursday.

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« 2018-May-05, 10:18 PM Reply #531 »
Geez, Jason Collett took no prisoners getting that first winner in Sydney home.

J Collett(Gem Song) pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding under AR137(a) in that near the 300m, he permitted his mount to shift out to the outside of Roosevelt where there was not sufficient room to do so,
resulting in Gem Song making heavy contact with Knockout Girl which was taken from its rightful running and became unbalanced.
J Collett’slicenseto ride was suspended for a period of to commence on
Sunday 13 May and to expire Thursday 24May, on which day he may ride


Wow, careless allowing his mount to shift out ......   :lol:   Looked like he turned his horse and intentionally barrelled the other one to me.
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« 2018-May-31, 07:17 PM Reply #532 »
RAD Board exonerates Billy Egan after stewards charged him with not giving his mount every chance..it was last early ran on well for second.

https://www.racing.com/news/2018-05-31/egan-cleared-over-zizzis-ride


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« 2018-Jun-28, 08:13 PM Reply #533 »

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« 2018-Jul-07, 06:21 PM Reply #534 »
Kathy O'Hara fined $1000 half of which suspended for making one intemperate comment using a naughty word during a stewards inquiry today....... meanwhile south of the border Racing.com reports  serial moron Dean Yendall blamed wanking for his sore wrist when interviewed for public broadcast fined a miserable $200.
Kathy O’Hara fined $1000 for misconduct
Posted by: AAP+ at 5:54pm on 7/7/2018
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Kathy O’Hara has had the celebration of an upset win on Noble Joey soured by a fine for misconduct after firing back at stewards during an inquiry into a different race.

The Group One-winning rider told stewards “it’s a f***ing joke” as she left the room after they inquired into an incident in the Randwick Mayor’s Cup.

O’Hara pleaded guilty to the charge and was fined $1000, $500 suspended for 12 months as long as she does not re-offend.

“You might not like the questions from this side of the table,” acting chief steward Philip Dingwall told O’Hara.

O’Hara agreed but told stewards she was “frustrated” as she “felt like she was getting pinned” for something that was not her fault.
“I know it’s unprofessional and not acceptable,” she said.

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« 2018-Jul-17, 04:58 PM Reply #535 »

Skye Bogenhuber Relocating To Brett Cavanough Stable
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Former Queensland jockey Skye Bogenhuber is now riding for the Brett Cavanough stable and will be based at Scone from 1 August 2018.
Skye has ridden 542 winners, the most recent being Sacred Rebel ($21) in the final race at Sunshine Coast last Saturday, a late pick-up ride from the Chris Waller stable.
Skye's latest feature winner was The Monstar in the Moreton Cup at Sunshine Coast on 2 June. She is relocating from Toowoomba and will be booking her own race rides on 0432 790 200.

Good luck to Skye :thumbsup:

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« 2018-Aug-02, 09:49 AM Reply #536 »
Jockey media ban is counterproductive for the industry
By James Lamb Yesterday at 12:35pm
Jockeys have been asked to turn their backs on the mediaImage: Getty
After weeks of pay negotiations between the Victorian Jockeys Association and Racing Victoria, the VJA have taken the drastic measure of instructing their members to withdraw from all media commitments.

The blanket ban on jockeys talking to the media will last until a resolution is reached - or at least that is the plan.

The VJA want an increase to the current riding fee of $200, claiming Victorian hoops deserve a pay rise due to an increase in twilight and night meetings - leading to longer hours.

The proposed pay rise will also cover the time jockeys spend riding in unpaid jump-outs in the early hours of the morning.

Whether jockeys deserve more money or not is a debate for another time, but what exactly are the VJA trying to achieve by ostracising their members from the rest of the racing industry?

The VJA's directive, which was communicated via a series of texts that have circulated on social media, implored jockeys to fulfill all their riding obligations but decline all media requests.
 
"Directors met RV Execs yesterday and no resolution regarding fees payable to Victorian riders has been reached," read the text.

"As such we ask all riders to support continuing to ride but that we withdraw from all media commitments until this dispute is resolved. Racing.com pre and post-race, RSN, Herald Sun, Racenet, all media."

"If you are approached to do any media, request you politely decline and refer all media inquiries to me (Matt)."

The biggest problem with the media ban is that it doesn't just affect Racing Victoria - the organisation that will ultimately decide whether the pay increase is approved or not.

It is a slap in the face to punters and owners who contribute significant funding to the racing industry.

Post-race interviews with jockeys aren't for everyone, but there are plenty of owners out there who want to hear the winning rider give their horse a rap post-race.

Trainer Mitchell Beer believes owners are being unjustly punished by the VJA.

"It's pretty pathetic. At the end of the day, the owners are the ones being robbed of what should be a very special day for them," Beer said.

Fellow trainer Henry Dwyer echoed Beer's sentiments in a tweet sent out on Wednesday morning.

"Not sure one group engaging in industrial action to the detriment of other participants is constructive/going to gain much support."

Punters are another innocent party unfairly affected by the VJA's 'silent treatment'.

Not all punters want to read a jockey's thoughts on their upcoming rides, or listen to them on RSN on a Saturday morning - but some do, and why should they be punished?

Banning jockeys from pre and post-race interviews on Racing.com is one thing, but cutting off all media seems completely unnecessary and counterproductive.

Racing media - whether it be print, television or radio - endeavour to promote and support jockey fundraising initiatives such as the National Jockeys Trust T20 cricket match and the NJT Golf Day.

While the VJA and NJT are separate organisations, the message is fundamentally the same - support for our riders.

"I’m not sure why the media has been targeted in this instance," said one jockey who did not wish to be named.

"It seems absolutely ridiculous to attack outlets that regularly promote jockeys, their welfare and even employ former riders.

"It’s turning into a massive PR disaster and I’m embarrassed to be a member at the moment."

The VJA may eventually get their wish, but at what cost?

The industry consists of enough warring factions as it is without creating further angst between participants.

Read: VJA enforces media blackout on jockeysENDS

There's very little pressure the VJA can put on RV apart from calling for a strike which is hard to imagine would be successful so this is their strategy and good luck to them it won't have any effect on punters .......some jockeys make a good living others battle so it's every man for hisself ...........meanwhile RQ has agreed to increase the QR riding fee to $200 playing catch up............ just like the best argument we the union advocates would rely on  in the industrial commission in the day was comparative wage justice "like with like" Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2018-Aug-02, 07:44 PM Reply #537 »
Talks continue between VJA, RV
Racing Article racing.com Staff@Racing   2:20pm

Negotiations between the Victorian Jockeys' Association and Racing Victoria regarding the Riding Fee Agreement have continued on Thursday.

VJA chief executive Matt Hyland and president Stephen Baster met with RV officials regarding their push to increase the $200 riding fee currently paid to jockeys for race rides in the state.

"We've had a constructive discussion with the VJA today on the Riding Fee Agreement and both parties are committed to finalising the agreement as soon as possible," an RV spokesperson said.

"Whilst the matter remains under consideration, we are hopeful of reaching a resolution shortly."ENDS

In another opinion piece Shane Anderson discloses some interesting details of the pay scales of Victorian jockeys extracts from his post as follows:-

The VJA has done a phenomenal job for its participants over the past decade, negotiating deals with the industry in the best interests of its members.
This includes having an equal-nation-high fee of $200 per ride that comes with a minimum riding fee of $100, which covers jockeys having three rides or less at a meeting (this is $35 in NSW and non-existent in other states).

For example, a jockey with three rides - whether at Flemington or Mildura - will be guaranteed $700 at the minimum. That is $200 per ride plus the $100 minimum riding fee.
The jockeys have also negotiated an engagement fee, where a horse that is in the field (not an emergency) at declaration time but is scratched will still see the rider get their fee.

RV also pays each jockey $100 per official trial ride while jumpouts, as they are considered as a training tool, are up to a commercial relationship that exists between the rider and the stable.

The VJA have also negotiated for RV to contribute 9.5 per cent of the riding fee to superannuation, whether in a race or a trial.
Jockeys get 5 per cent of any prizemoney won, with Victoria paying prizemoney to horses that finish 10th, plus they also get a percentage of VOBIS prizemoney that is offered.

This includes a 5 per cent stake in VOBIS Gold bonuses and a 5 per cent stake in Super VOBIS bonuses after the nominator stake is removed.
The VJA represents 170 jockeys in the state of Victoria, which is a considerable number. There is a clear gap between those at the top of the tree and those at the bottom.
Stables have raised frustration that there is a reluctance with some jockeys to want to participate as track riders, wanting to focus on race riding.

As respected form analyst Daniel O'Sullivan from Betsmart Racing Service highlighted, 'the average number of jockeys attending Victorian meetings is 28.7 when the average maximum field size per meeting is 12.7'.

That suggests that there is an oversupply of jockeys for meetings across the state.

One prominent stable is offering track riders $1000 per week to ride work on three mornings per week yet can't get a current jockey to want to commit to that."


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« 2018-Aug-03, 03:39 PM Reply #538 »
Dispute settled RV caved in pretty quickly still a good result for the jockeys now RQ might need to revise their agreement seeing the comparisons .

The media ban put in place by the Victorian Jockeys' Association has been lifted following an agreement with Racing Victoria over a new riding fee agreement.

Changes to the riding fee agreement, which take immediate effect, include increases in the flat riding fee to $211 per ride (up from $200) and the jumps riding fee to $450 per ride (up from $435), while the minimum riding allowance remains unchanged at $100.

All fees for years two and three will be finalised prior to the commencement of each season from an agreed allocation of funds.

Early this week, the VJA instructed all 170 licensed jockeys in Victoria not to conduct any media interviews after discussions with RV had stalled.

Some consensus was found on the issue of working hours with RV and the VJA also agreeing to review the working week following an increase in demand on a jockey's time in recent years.

RV chief executive, Giles Thompson, said: "We are really pleased to have reached a fair and reasonable outcome that balances both the wishes of our jockeys and the needs of the broader industry, and I thank the VJA for their professionalism and dedication to our sport.

"Our jockeys are highly skilful, committed and brave athletes who make an important and valued contribution to the success of Victorian racing.

"We want to attract and retain the best jockeys in Victorian racing and the riding fee agreement, along with our broad range of support services, enables us to do that.

"We acknowledge points raised by the VJA around the working week and the demands on all participants.

"We have agreed that it is an appropriate time to take a good look at our racing and working schedule to see whether we, as an industry, can better structure how we operate whilst meeting customer demand and maintaining vital income streams.

"With the riding fee agreement finalised, we are now looking forward to our jockeys showcasing their talent at the upcoming Spring Racing Carnival, which promises to be the biggest yet with record prizemoney for the Lexus Melbourne Cup, Stella Artois Caulfield Cup and Ladbrokes Cox Plate, a host of exciting country cups and the celebration of 25 years of international competition."

VJA chief executive officer, Matt Hyland, said: "We've negotiated an outcome that benefits all 170 of our members and are satisfied that the new riding fee agreement recognises the contribution that each and every one of them makes to the success of the industry.

"It has been the collective view of the directors and our members that every rider, from the premiership winner to the country jockey, is as important as any other to the industry and that they should be treated equally, which has occurred.

"I want to thank Racing Victoria for finalising the agreement and for allowing our discussion around the workload that jockeys currently face to continue.

"With the agreement now finalised, our members are committed to ensuring that Victorian racing continues to thrive and are focusing their attention on this year's Spring Racing Carnival, which is shaping as another fantastic event for Victoria."

TYPE OF FEE                         2017-18       2018-19       Increase

Flat Riding Fee                            $200           $211            $11

Flat Trial Fee                               $100           $105            $5

Jumps Riding Fee                       $435           $450            $15

Jumps Trial Fee                          $135           $135            Nil

Picnic Riding Fee                        $100           $110            $10

Engagement Fee                        $200           $211            $11

Min. Riding Allowance              $100           $100            Nil


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« 2018-Oct-21, 02:20 PM Reply #539 »
Brad Rawiller has taken a fall in 4th at Cranbourne today, looked to clip the heals of a runner ridden Luke Nolen.

Was tuning in for the 5th and caught the end of the commentator saying they were waiting for the helicopter  :sad: The TAB have since removed the replay.

Fingers crossed he's ok.

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« 2018-Oct-21, 02:46 PM Reply #540 »
There was another to come down too, Brian Higgins. Rest of the meeting abandoned.

A few tweets saying both riders are conscious.

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« 2018-Oct-29, 08:09 AM Reply #541 »
All,

Be a little bit careful with racing and Sports data for the time being.

Some errors have crept in with their jockey data latley. maybe it only happens when jockeys move between countries.

eg C P Lemaire riding in Tokyo yesterday place stats listed as :-

last 50                 20-34-50 (40%-108%)
Last350:   101-216-350 (29%-91%)


Which you know cant be true

Fours

Lemaire comprehensively outrode Moriera on the day note with 5 wins from 9 rides with all winners better than 1/1 odds. Moriera only manged 2 wins and both less than 1/1. That's quite an achievement in very big fields
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« 2018-Nov-26, 08:16 PM Reply #542 »
whilst Mr PM goes on and on about his agenda , has anyone heard how Tye Agland is doing ?

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« 2018-Nov-27, 08:43 PM Reply #544 »
My information (unconfirmed I hasten to confirm ) is that the news is not good. Has anyone heard anything further re Tye Angland ?

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« 2018-Nov-27, 08:50 PM Reply #545 »
Unfortunately there has been little or no news in the last day or two.

I just hope that silence does not mean that the situation is worse than thought

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« 2018-Dec-04, 08:49 PM Reply #546 »
whilst Mr PM goes on and on about his agenda , has anyone heard how Tye Agland is doing ?

have seen some tweets about Tye had a op any other info ?

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« 2018-Dec-04, 09:09 PM Reply #547 »
The info published by HKJC



The Hong Kong Jockey Club is issuing the following statement on behalf of Erin Angland:

Firstly we would like to thank everyone for their concern and messages of support. We are issuing this release so that there are no misconceptions on Tye’s condition.

As you are aware Tye had a fall at Sha Tin, Hong Kong on Sunday 25 November following which he remained conscious throughout. He remains in the intensive care unit in a serious but stable condition at The Prince of Wales Hospital, Hong Kong. Whilst the full extent of his injuries are still unknown, we are thankfully able to report there has been no neurological damage.

We ask for privacy, respect and patience during this time and will be forthcoming with information as we receive it. Tye’s well-being is paramount and rest is his first priority. We understand that many people will be in Hong Kong next week for HKIR but we would ask for our privacy during this difficult time.

We have not told our three young children of Tye’s condition and respectfully ask that they be kept unaware of what has happened. We have a long and difficult road ahead but what I do know is that Tye is a very strong and determined person and we will fight this together as a family. I do not intend to release anything further at this time.

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« 2018-Dec-04, 09:44 PM Reply #548 »
thanks SB , this is what I saw on twitter .

hopefully no news is good news 

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« 2018-Dec-04, 10:06 PM Reply #549 »
Sadly Ratsack, reading between the lines I  don't see this as good news at all. And geez I hope I am wrong.


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