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« 2020-Jun-22, 08:52 AM Reply #25 »
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7 no  8 years ago there was another one in big strife more recently

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« 2020-Jun-22, 10:53 AM Reply #26 »
History says that J Mac had a bet on the Godolphin 2 yr old having his 1st start, Gunbower.
Astern was probably showing him so much he thought it was money for old jam.

Was it his 1st bet?.....probably not, but you can only deal in facts.

I very much doubt that J Mac is into the punt......doesn't need to!
He couldn't have a sizeable bet without leaving a trail and his 18 months on the sidelines would have given him plenty of thinking time.
There is too much at stake for him.

I don't see the Shane Dye or Jim Cassidy dodginess in him.
He just happens to work in a very dodgy industry.

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« 2020-Jun-22, 05:11 PM Reply #27 »
I think he bet on Astern was one half of bugger all.

And out my way, nem it is either "money for old rope" or "money for jam".

I'm not sure why you'd want to pay for "'old jam". :beer:

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« 2020-Jun-22, 05:43 PM Reply #28 »

Thanks for the correction JWH.  emthup ....I've been saying wrong for years!  :embarrassed:

Rest assured I won't say 'old jam' again.  :lol:

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« 2020-Jun-22, 07:28 PM Reply #29 »
Race replay stewards vision this was a MB 78 class over 1200 whereas its previous win was a BM70 over 1300 when it raced close to the lead .

https://mdata.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2020Jun20&VenueCode=MTMwOTE3Ng==&RaceNumber=6&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Stewards


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« 2020-Jun-22, 08:40 PM Reply #30 »
I very much doubt that J Mac is into the punt......doesn't need to!
He couldn't have a sizeable bet without leaving a trail and his 18 months on the sidelines would have given him plenty of thinking time.
There is too much at stake for him.

Nemisis ,
                      I love your idyllic view of life. But whether he needs to punt is hardly  the question . Kerry Packer certainly didn't need to punt but he worshipped the thrill . The best jockey I have seen was a fellow called G Moore. Didn't he like a bet. Guess what, he didn't need to . I remember chatting to a leading Sydney / Brisbane jockey a few years ago and he said he didn't bet at all . Although he did  add , his wife couldn't help herself !

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« 2020-Jun-23, 08:34 AM Reply #31 »
Its "money for jam"
Not old and why do you want old rope that's certainly to fray🤔

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« 2020-Jun-23, 09:33 AM Reply #32 »
Thanks Wily

As I said in my above posts the expressions are

"Money for old rope" and "money for jam"

As for the usefulness of old rope and the origin of the saying I'll leave that for you to research.

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« 2020-Jun-23, 12:24 PM Reply #33 »
No thanks😆

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« 2020-Jun-23, 02:50 PM Reply #34 »
I very much doubt that J Mac is into the punt......doesn't need to!
He couldn't have a sizeable bet without leaving a trail and his 18 months on the sidelines would have given him plenty of thinking time.
There is too much at stake for him.

Nemisis ,
                      I love your idyllic view of life. But whether he needs to punt is hardly  the question . Kerry Packer certainly didn't need to punt but he worshipped the thrill . The best jockey I have seen was a fellow called G Moore. Didn't he like a bet. Guess what, he didn't need to . I remember chatting to a leading Sydney / Brisbane jockey a few years ago and he said he didn't bet at all . Although he did  add , his wife couldn't help herself !
Much different times now, Gunbower and I don't get the comparisons.
J Mac is a competitive guy and gets to ride some of the best thoroughbreds on the planet.....big thrill in itself......let alone the winning.
Maybe it takes one to know one.
I used to get a bit of a thrill showing a clean pair of heels to the runners in our group who liked beer and sausages too much  :lol:  give them something to talk and think about.
It's a good feeling out in front.

How Packer got his thrills in his world of 'money and power'....I wouldn't have a clue .....he looked a sad sack to me.

With a recording device and video camera in nearly everybody's pocket these days of information sharing, J Mac would have to be a complete fool to go near punt......and a fool he is not!
His time on the sidelines would have taught him a bit more than 'don't get caught next time'
Possibly the absence of an audience at the racetrack has an effect on his riding at the moment. :shrug:

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« 2020-Jun-23, 03:29 PM Reply #35 »
You are right Nemisis. He does seem distracted at the moment. As Mr A Butterfly has pointed out he seems to be keeping a very close eye on Mr B Avdulla. As for the world having changed so much ; I would proffer the opinion that D Oliver, B Melham and A Hyeronimus
( amongst others ) are current competitors.

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« 2020-Jun-24, 12:13 PM Reply #36 »
Charge Issued Against Licensed Jockey James McDonald

Racing NSW Stewards yesterday issued a charge under AR129(2) against jockey James McDonald in respect to his ride on Threeood in Race 6 (Heineken 3 Handicap, 1200m) conducted at Royal Randwick on Saturday, 20 June 2020.

AR129 Running and handling
(2) A rider must take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that the rider’s horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.

The details of the charge being that licensed jockey James McDonald, the rider of Threeood in Race 6 (Heineken 3 Handicap, 1200m) at the Australian Turf Club race meeting conducted at Royal Randwick on Saturday, 20 June 2020, failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures on that mare throughout the said race to ensure that Threeood was given full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field by reason of all or part of the following particulars;

1. That between approximately the 300m and 100m he rode his mount with insufficient purpose and vigour and failed to shift Threeood to the outside of Voila and Misteed to secure clear running, and

2. After shifting Threeood to the outside of Voila near the 100m to obtain clear running he rode Threeood with insufficient purpose and vigour over the final 100m.

The hearing of the charge is scheduled to be conducted at 2pm on Friday, 26 June 2020 at the offices of Racing NSW, Level 11, 51 Druitt Street, Sydney.

Charge Issued Against Licensed Jockey James McDonald

Racing NSW Stewards yesterday issued a charge under AR129(2) against jockey James McDonald in respect to his ride on Threeood in Race 6 (Heineken 3 Handicap, 1200m) conducted at Royal Randwick on Saturday, 20 June 2020.

AR129 Running and handling
(2) A rider must take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that the rider’s horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.

The details of the charge being that licensed jockey James McDonald, the rider of Threeood in Race 6 (Heineken 3 Handicap, 1200m) at the Australian Turf Club race meeting conducted at Royal Randwick on Saturday, 20 June 2020, failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures on that mare throughout the said race to ensure that Threeood was given full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field by reason of all or part of the following particulars;

1. That between approximately the 300m and 100m he rode his mount with insufficient purpose and vigour and failed to shift Threeood to the outside of Voila and Misteed to secure clear running, and

2. After shifting Threeood to the outside of Voila near the 100m to obtain clear running he rode Threeood with insufficient purpose and vigour over the final 100m.

The hearing of the charge is scheduled to be conducted at 2pm on Friday, 26 June 2020 at the offices of Racing NSW, Level 11, 51 Druitt Street, Sydney.
ENDS
https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2020Jun20&VenueCode=MTQ0NDYwOA==&RaceNumber=6&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay

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« 2020-Jun-24, 12:28 PM Reply #37 »
You are right Nemisis. He does seem distracted at the moment. As Mr A Butterfly has pointed out he seems to be keeping a very close eye on Mr B Avdulla. As for the world having changed so much ; I would proffer the opinion that D Oliver, B Melham and A Hyeronimus
( amongst others ) are current competitors.

That race you refer to was on 6th June JMac was on one of Matt Dunn's Keen Power in the Maroon white cap......stewards accepted his explanation the current charge running and handling is from Saturday on Threeood. to be heard on Friday 26th June.

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« 2020-Jun-24, 08:33 PM Reply #38 »


..........a leading jockey (or judge) cannot be 'done' for a riding offense ..........unless the never-monitored and never-investigated betting (and bedding) suggests otherwise.

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« 2020-Jun-24, 08:37 PM Reply #39 »
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« 2020-Jun-24, 10:27 PM Reply #40 »
Interesting that the stewards have commented that it is between the 300m and the 100m. And I'd agree with that.

Because before that he is hard into it on the home turn.

So maybe he had just given up.

Very strange choice of races.

1400m then back to 1300m then back to 1200m.

Methinks it is not best over the 1200m. Needs a little further. When trained by Mick Price it ran reasonable races in the Gibson-Carmichael and Laelia Stks - both black type races over 1600m.

And I did select the winner of Saturday's race in the tipping comp. skirting around the favourite  :angel:

Stella was beaten only 0.4 lengths first up last time in by the well performed Aquitane (Godolphin winner of the Mick Dittmen Plate) and had run 2nd in the Provincial Championships final.

Threeood had recently won a midweek BM 70 race. It was going back in distance and rising to Saturday BM78 class. 3 and 4 starts ago it was in that class but was carrying 54 and 54.5 kg.

Some people are too lazy to read the form guide and then over-react when a false favourite gets rolled.

Whilst J Mac could have been a bit more vigorous between the 300m and the 100m there is no way in Hades the horse would have won.

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« 2020-Jun-25, 07:24 AM Reply #41 »
Yes I agree PP
I suspect that he just gave up. Obviously not acceptable in hindsight but do you keep flogging a beaten horse?

Aside from a Mair, we all know the answer to that

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« 2020-Jun-26, 05:22 PM Reply #42 »
And he gave up on Shamuso Sho that day who won at Scone today at double digit odds :)

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« 2020-Jun-26, 06:20 PM Reply #43 »
HEARING OF A CHARGE ISSUED AGAINST LICENSEDJOCKEY JAMES MCDONALDUNDER AR129(2)IN RESPECT TO HIS RIDING OF THREEOODAT ROYAL RANDWICK ON 20JUNE 2020
Racing NSW Offices26 June 2020Druitt Street Sydney
Stewards: M F Van Gestel (Chairman)W R BirchT J VassalloJ J Earl
Racing  NSW  Stewards  today  conducted the hearing  of  a  charged  issued  against licensed  jockey James  McDonaldin  respect  to  his  riding  of Threeood  in Race 6at Randwick on20 June 2020. Evidence today  was  taken  from  James  McDonald,  who  was  assisted  by  Solicitor  P O’Sullivan.
 Stewards also considered written submissions tendered  by J  McDonald and evidence provided by R  Quinton.

 J  McDonald today  pleaded  not guilty to the following  charge under  AR129(2)  for  failing to  take  all  reasonable  and  permissible measures on Threeood throughout  the  said race  to  ensure that  Threeood was  given full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field in that by reason of all or part of the following particulars;

(1)That between approximately the 300m and 100m he rode his mount with insufficient purpose and vigour and failed to shift Threeood to the outside of Voila and Misteed to secure clear running when it was reasonable and permissible for him to ride with more purpose and vigour and shift to the outside of Voila and Misteed to secure clear running.

(2)After shifting Threeood to the outside of Voila near the 100m to obtain clear running he rode Threeood with insufficient purpose and vigour over the final 100m when it was reasonable and permissible for him to ride with more purpose and vigour.

After considering the evidence and submissions, Stewards found J McDonald guilty of the  charge however determined  that  his  decision to not  shift  out between  the 300m and 100m was not unreasonable to the extent that it was blameworthy and that part of the particular was not established.

2 RACING NSW –STEWARDS REPORT Penalty
Having  considered  relevant  matters  in  respect  to  penalty,  including  this  was  the  first occasion J McDonald had been found guilty of a similar offence in 13 years of riding, his licence to ride in races was suspended for a period of 3 weeks to commence on Sunday 5 July 2020 and to expire on Sunday 26 July 2020 on which day he may ride.

Relevant RuleAR 129 Running and handling (2)A rider must take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that the rider’s horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.

M F Van Gestel Chairman of Stewards General Manager -Integrity

ENDS

The "not blameworthy excuse" is a reliable argument and so it was in this case justice is done .

Racenet report from inside the inquiry provides more detail than the stewards report.



McDonald suspended after being found guilty for Threeood ride

James McDonald and Threeood. Photo: Bradley Photographers.
Mitch Cohen
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Mitch Cohen
4:53PM26 June 2020

James McDonald will miss the bulk of the last month of the season after Racing NSW stewards found the star jockey guilty for his ‘half-hearted’ effort aboard Threeood at Randwick last Saturday.

McDonald, with the assistance of solicitor Paul O’Sullivan, was called to front stewards on Friday to answer a AR129(2) charge for 'Running and Handling' for his effort on Joe Pride’s mare last weekend.

The rule states; "a rider must take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that the rider’s horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field".

McDonald pleaded not guilty to the charge but stewards found there was enough evidence to sustain the charge after a lengthy inquiry at Racing NSW headquarters.

McDonald was handed a three-week ban which will begin on July 5 and end on July 26. However, he is likely to appeal the charge.

McDonald, who remains a clear leader in the metropolitan jockeys’ premiership, is just 2-1/2 winners away from cracking a century of Sydney city victories this season.

Stewards took issue with the 'purpose' and 'vigour' he showed in the straight, particularly over the final 300m of his ride on Threeood.

McDonald built his defence around concerns the four-year-old was far from her best on the day.

The star jockey said there were signs that Threeood was off her game when she was quieter than usual in the barriers and was the first under pressure from the 800m.

He admitted to being "concerned" about the welfare of the horse as the favourite began to give ground on her rivals approching the home turn.

With previous experience riding the horse, he indicated it was unusual for her to race in that manner.

“She is usually a racehorse that doesn’t need encouragement,” McDonald told stewards.

Threeood entered the straight at the tail of the field and McDonald had a wall of horses in front of him.

He says he elected to follow the eventual winner Stella Sea Sun but Threeood failed to keep in touch with the winner and the gap closed before he could take it.

Stewards accepted McDonald was entitled to believe the run was available but were more concerned with McDonald's effort in the straight.

Van Gestel quizzed McDonald over whether he felt he put in the same effort aboard Threeood as he did on his other rides of the day.

“Do you think the film shows you doing your best on it?” he said. “We want to see you at your vigourous best.”

The chief stipe was also particularly concerned about a lack of perceived effort when striking Threeood in the straight.

McDonald was staunch in his opinion that it wouldn't have made a difference with the horse out of contention.

McDonald argued that over the last 100m he showed the same amount of vigour as Hugh Bowman on Voila, which was the horse inside him in the straight.

“You could safely say his vigour is no more than mine,” he said.

Former champion jockey turned Group I trainer Ron Quinton also gave evidence in defence of McDonald’s ride on the horse.

McDonald currently leads the Sydney jockeys' premiership by 17-1/2 wins over Nash Rawiller.

There are 10 metropolitan meetings in Sydney left before the 2019/20 season concludes and if McDonald is unsuccessful in having the ban overturned or reduced on appeal or securing a stay, he will miss of the remaining meetings.
Related Topics: James Mcdonald Threeood

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« 2020-Jun-26, 07:43 PM Reply #44 »
The Dill is awake

Can you put him back in his coma?

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« 2020-Jun-26, 07:44 PM Reply #45 »
And he gave up on Shamuso Sho that day who won at Scone today at double digit odds :)

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« 2020-Jun-26, 07:59 PM Reply #46 »
It's interesting that Van Gestel says to J Mac, who has been known to be rather heavy handed with the stick..... 'we want to see you at your vigourous best'
Is he asking a jockey to flog a beaten horse?.......another of racing's welfare dilemmas!

When J Mac won on her at Warwick Farm he hardly touched her with the stick......I counted 3 backhanders.
About the same as Randwick :shrug:
Even my 18 months in a racing stable taught me that a lot of horses don't need the fur whipped off them to produce their best.

Not defending James .....just making the point!

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« 2020-Jun-27, 07:14 AM Reply #47 »
Lillemor looked to be the 'money' horse in that race.
The fact that Threeood could even get herself into a dividend paying position is a concern......but if the NSW Racing stewards can't produce some evidence around betting activities then they have no case......nothing!.....yesterday resembles a kangaroo court!

J Mac just needs to arm himself with a bit of legal help for his appeal and take his Warwick Farm winning ride as evidence to support his 'welfare for the horse' claim.
Genuine looking filly does not need her ears ridden off her to do her best.

If this is the extent of RNSW stewardship then "God help us....I mean God help us" (thanks PK)
This whole exercise now looks like a response to social media......evidence is what's needed.....not telling the leading jockey to just hit her a bit harder next time.

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« 2020-Jun-27, 05:00 PM Reply #48 »
Really well done to James McDonald......cracks the ton again for the season today with a treble.
Great rider!......gets the job done when the horse is good enough.
2015.......134 wins
2016.......121 wins
2018.......85 wins
2019......124 wins
2020......100 and not finished yet  emthup

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« 2020-Jun-27, 07:59 PM Reply #49 »
Gee Nemisis , Katelyn is going to start getting very jealous of your infatuation with this bloke. I think he is the luckiest bloke in the World to be riding this side of Christmas based on a few of his recent efforts . No one doubts he is top class but a few of his recent pilot jobs would arouse suspicion by any fair minded observer.


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