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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Gintara on 2021-May-09, 05:42 PM
Big week for Kah & Douglas

Kate Watts@katewatts_



In-form jockeys and fiancés Jamie Kah and Clayton Douglas have had a week they won’t be forgetting in a hurry.

Kah extended her Melbourne premiership lead with a formidable five winners at Caulfield on Saturday, just days after Douglas won the iconic Grand Annual Steeplechase for the second time.

“It’s exciting,” Kah said after her five-timer. “Awesome day and awesome week for the family with Clayton having a great day on Thursday. We’ll have some celebrations.”

Clayton Douglas celebrates Grand Annual win (Image: sourced Instagram)

The pair, who also run Bradlee Park Racing a pre-training, agistment and breaking property in Somerville, continued celebrations long into the weekend, but in true racing style work was still involved as they headed to the beach on Sunday morning.

Douglas along with 11 year-old veteran Gold Medals secured another Grand Annual crown after also taking out the grueling 5500m race previously in 2018.

Speaking moments after one of the biggest wins in his career, Douglas shifted the attention to the horse.

"He's just an unbelievable horse, this horse," he said.

"I've never ridden in the Annual without him.  He's an incredible horse, a massive effort by the team to get him to back up.

Kah currently sits on 86 Melbourne metro victories, 31 ahead of her closest rival in Damian Lane.

But the leading jockey won’t be drawn on the assumption that she already has the premiership all wrapped up.

“I’m really happy with my season so far but anything can happen, I could get suspended again or injured, so until I might be lucky enough to win the premiership for the first time at the end of the season I won’t for one second think that I have.

“Clayton and I are really lucky to have each other and great support from our family and friends so we’re just happy to continue on how we’ve been going and hopefully keep getting a winner or two.”
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Gintara on 2021-May-09, 09:50 PM
Rides 5 from 6 yesterday, murphy's law she manages to put my best bet in Horrifying 3 deep from barrier 5  :sad:

Then tells stewards the horse raced flat, well he did cover plenty of extra distance with the top weight  :shutup:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Aug-27, 07:33 AM
Kah, jockeys stood down over Airbnb Covid breach
Jamie Kah returns to the mounting yard after winning the BECK Probuild Quezette Stakes at Caulfield Racecourse on August 14, 2021 in Caulfield, Australia. (Pat Scala/Racing Photos via Getty Images)
Jamie Kah returns to the mounting yard after winning the BECK Probuild Quezette Stakes at Caulfield Racecourse on August 14, 2021 in Caulfield, Australia. (Pat Scala/Racing Photos via Getty Images)
By Gilbert Gardiner
09:16pm • 26 August 2021
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The state’s premier jockey Jamie Kah is among four riders sensationally stood down by Racing Victoria late on Thursday night in relation to a rogue Mornington house party on Wednesday night.

Group 1 star Ben Melham, Ethan Brown and talented apprentice Celine Gaudray, along with Kah, cannot ride for the next 14 days after attending the Airbnb past the 9pm greater Melbourne curfew.

The jockeys, who defied the State Government “stay at home directions”, were at the short-stay rental with two other non-licensed people.

Stewards have launched an inquiry into the alleged illegal gathering, which was in breach of not only current racing regulations, but also and more importantly the State Government orders.

RV chief medical officer Gary Zimmerman rubber-stamped the 14-day stand down on Thursday night, which results in Kah and Melham losing the rides on Group 1 Memsie Stakes favourite Behemoth and Beau Rossa respectively.

Kah was also due to ride boom galloper Ayrton in the last race at Caulfield on Saturday.

RV chief executive Giles Thompson slammed the quartet’s behaviour.

“The alleged behaviour of these four jockeys is a slap in the face to every member of the racing industry that has worked incredibly hard to protect the sport and the community while continuing to race since Covid restrictions were first introduced in March 2020,” Thompson said.

“These individuals could have put at risk the very continuance of our sport and also blatantly disregarded the broader community implications through their selfish and thoughtless actions.

“The stewards have elected to lay significant charges against these individuals, which is appropriate given the potential impact their actions could have had on community safety, the livelihoods of the 25,000 Victorian jobs supported by racing and the welfare of the horses who rely on the daily care and exercise the industry provides.

2020 Seppelt Wines Stakes Day

Ben Melham misses the ride on Beau Rossa in the Memsie Stakes this weekend.

“To see all of that potentially thrown away by the reckless behaviour of a small few is incredibly disappointing and far from what is expected of our industry participants.

“While these actions do not reflect the majority, I want to make it extremely clear to all industry participants of the critical need to abide all industry and Government directives, especially as we enter the Spring Racing Carnival period.

“Thank you to those that continue to do the right thing by the industry at all times and I hope this serves as a firm reminder of how fortunate we are to continue racing and the importance of adhering to the protocols.”

The jockeys will be stood down at least until September 9.

Stewards adjourned the inquiry to 9.30am Friday.

Victorian Racing Minister Martin Pakula said: “These allegations are beyond disappointing – they’re actually mind-boggling.

“We all need to do our bit to get infections down so that we can open businesses and schools and get crowds back to events – including the spring carnival – and industry participants should be setting an example. To think that some would, instead, put all of that at risk is just infuriating.”

Private gatherings for persons otherwise living with one another are prohibited in Victoria.

Kah’s manager James Henderson was contacted for comment on Thursday night.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/jockeys-jamie-kah-ben-melham-ethan-brown-and-celine-gaudray-stood-down-after-being-caught-in-covid-breach-20210826

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-27, 01:56 PM
Jamie Kah is now out for 3 months and will miss the entire spring as a result. Big mistake as she had a chance to go to another level with the big races this spring with no Sydney jockeys involved.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/jockeys-jamie-kah-ben-melham-ethan-brown-and-celine-gaudray-stood-down-after-being-caught-in-covid-breach-20210826
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2021-Aug-27, 04:54 PM
Goose
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Aug-27, 06:52 PM




IS RVL OFFERING GROUNDS FOR APPEAL?

RVL CEO SAYS 3-MONTHS WAS 'A SURPRISE AND MORE THAN HE IMAGINED' +  'A BIG PENALTY, PROBABLY EVEN AN APPROPRIATE ONE'

One can only wonder about RVL .......... it;s assessment of the situation today was all over the shop ....... talk about a bet each-way on the field of options.

Check it out ..................... https://www.racing.com/

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: sobig on 2021-Aug-27, 08:01 PM
Not sure whether they will appeal. Jamie posted an apology in which she said the penalty was fair.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-27, 09:17 PM
There are a few rumours about how they got copped and what were they celebrating etc.

Kah will learn from this but it is a part of being in the spotlight.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/comment-jamie-kahs-reputation-takes-a-hit-with-selfish-act-20210827
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Aug-27, 09:56 PM

READY, FIRE, AIM


From 'go to whoa' the conviction and sentencing was was all a bit quick.

It is unlikely that anyone involved even considered consequences like those now revealed.

These were bubble-people much like sports teams in isolation ...... was any harm done .......... was any harm likely

The penalty is not proportionate and, on sober reflection, will be set aside.



Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Aug-27, 10:06 PM
There are a few rumours about how they got copped and what were they celebrating etc.

Kah will learn from this but it is a part of being in the spotlight.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/comment-jamie-kahs-reputation-takes-a-hit-with-selfish-act-20210827

Stupid yes.

But 3 months????

Tommy Berry didn't get that for putting Brenton Avdulla in hospital with a broken neck.

And what about this vague sentence delivered with innuendo:

Speculation is rife as to what Kah and the other jockeys were doing at the Mornington house party, where they defied State Government stay-at-home directions and also broke a 9pm curfew.

What is that supposed to mean  :what:

And there is old Giles Thompson getting his 10 cents in. Does that bloke ever have something positive to say about Victorian racing?

Him and his integrity officer have us all believing that the industry in Victoria is some sort of "den of iniquity".
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-27, 10:59 PM
PP, ever ask yourself why do all the scandals and stuff ups happen in Victoria?   :lol:

They need V’landys as nothing bad happens in NSW racing.  :sweat:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Aug-28, 06:56 AM
The reason nothing bad happens in NSW is simple Jeunes......Strong leadership and transparency
RNSW leader was so strong he sued the National broadcaster......because of the "hurt".

Absolute transparency in all of the subsequent reporting too.....you bet!
Zaaki's handicap rating goes into the stratosphere....13th best horse in the world now.....WOW!

Like I say Jeunes.....transparency all the way in NSW......such dedicated racing journalists here as well, just to inspire confidence.
How lucky we are!....now what time is the 1st at Caulfield?
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Aug-28, 07:57 PM

Tommy Berry didn't get that for putting Brenton Avdulla in hospital with a broken neck

Amazing some of the stuff that the keyboard warrior PP can post. What the hell would the length of T Berry's stretch have to do with what Kah and her party mates have incurred. Why would anyone with a logical brain attempt to compare them. Firstly by comparing them you are insisting the panel who invoked the  Berry suspension were 100 percent spot on . Therefore their interpretation should be the benchmark for all future suspensions . What a load of the proverbial. Do a bit of research and realize these tribunals etc are not the High Court of Australia and therefore discussions regarding precedence are absurd. More importantly ; Mr Berry allegedly committed an offence against the Rules of Racing. These clowns  in Victoria broke a law of  the Land . A significant difference I would have thought . Racing ,I think it is fair to say has enjoyed a privileged position in these Covid times. And that means all streams of the Industry , whether it be owners , trainers, jockeys, support staff , punters etc have enjoyed far less financial woes than others in other forms of employment. And yet a few selfish individuals decided to act outside the community requirements for their own personal enjoyment. Personally I think their sentences are lenient in view of what the community as a whole are experiencing at present. They were in privileged positions and decided to show scant respect to the general community and the rest of the Racing Industry.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-28, 08:25 PM
Racenet had below article on the money, Kah has lost already. She will learn from it but I am not sure if she will get the same opportunities as before as owners sometimes prefer to keep winning jockeys on

https://www.racenet.com.au/amp/news/jamie-kah-misses-out-on-40000-in-prizemoney-after-four-of-her-rides-win-at-caulfield-20210828
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: sobig on 2021-Aug-28, 09:01 PM
Mark Zahra now also suspended for 3 months for attending the party.

Stewards also said they are considering further investigating the original 4 jockeys for not informing them that Zahra was there.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Aug-28, 09:09 PM
Really Sobig ?  At one stage I thought  that jockeys might be a tad smarter than Rugby League players. Alas it appears they are on equal footing.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-28, 09:54 PM
Wow, the issue also would be more police involvement too if they signed any statements etc.

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: sobig on 2021-Aug-28, 10:19 PM
Jamie was engaged for 4 subsequent winners today including Behemoth.

Approximately $40,000 in winning fees missed.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Aug-29, 12:17 AM
What the hell would the length of T Berry's stretch have to do with what Kah and her party mates have incurred.

Everything stalker.

If a murderer got 6 months and a car thief got life wouldn't it be valid to comment on commensurate penalties.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Aug-29, 07:43 AM
There is seriously no one home with you is there PP. Last time I looked a "a charge of careless riding " by a racing steward was not a criminal charge.  Kah  and her gang committed an offence against the laws of the land.. Do you get it yet ? Shouldn't be too hard for you.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-29, 10:24 AM
Racenet covering the Kah incident in detail. Zahra cops a 3 month suspension too and misses the ride on Very Elegant. Expensive mistakes by all concerned.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/how-champion-jockey-jamie-kah-may-have-become-too-entitled-20210828

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/mark-zahra-fifth-jockey-banned-in-airbnb-house-party-scandal-20210828
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2021-Aug-29, 11:01 AM
How can these people be so silly?

What thought process do they go through to determine whether a "party" is worth jeopardising what they might be jeopardising?

There are people we all put our "hard-earned" on to make many right decisions during a race day.

"Do I go now or should I wait?"

"Should I take that inside run or wait for the other gap to open"?

'How's my mount Tulloch going, is he going better than Radish?'

etc etc

And they can't work out that "partying" during these time is not worth it    :o :o
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Aug-29, 12:05 PM
There is seriously no one home with you is there PP. Last time I looked a "a charge of careless riding " by a racing steward was not a criminal charge.  Kah  and her gang committed an offence against the laws of the land.. Do you get it yet ? Shouldn't be too hard for you.

So with your mind set anyone who has been charged with a COVID breach should be suspended from their employment for a period of time?  :chin:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Aug-31, 01:08 PM
It seems 3 of the 5 jockeys involved in the Mornington party are appealing their suspensions. Interestingly Kah gas not but she has until Thursday to do so

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/three-of-five-suspended-airbnb-jockeys-appeal-severity-of-spring-carnival-bans-20210831

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-13, 09:36 AM
https://www.racing.com/news/2021-09-12/news-kah-accepts-scobie-breasley-medal
"Sorry" Kah accepts Scobie
 
James Tzaferis@Jtzaf
12 September, 2021

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Jamie Kah, pictured after riding her 100th metropolitan winner last season (Image: Racing Photos)

A "sorry' Jamie Kah has again apologised to the Victorian racing industry whilst accepting her maiden Scobie Breasley Medal on Sunday night.
In her first public appearance since the infamous Airbnb scandal that rocked Victorian racing last month, Kah told Racing.com that she'd endured a tough few weeks but had recevied support from family and friends.
The 25-year-old was suspended for three months and faces further sanction for a seprate charge of lying to stewards about the incident, which breached the Victorian Government's strict COVID lockdown rules.
Kah said she was hungry to return to the saddle following her suspension and work to regain the trust of owners and trainers.
"It's been a rollercoaster of emotions over the last few months," Kah said.
"I had such a great season and was on such a high and obviously now I've been suspended for the spring carnival and it had the possiblity to be my biggest one yet.
"It was a tough few weeks but I'm getting better.
"I just wanted to say again that I'm so sorry to the people I let down, the owners and trainers that had booked me for rides, they'd put faith in me and I let them down and I let the industry down.
"My family in particular, they've had to read the media and the (social media) posts that people have been saying about me and I feel so bad for them.
"We'll get through it, I'll learn from it and hopefully I can come back better than ever and more determined."
WATCH: Jamie Kah discusses her COVID ban.
 
WATCH: Jamie Kah accepts the Scobie Breasley Medal.
Away from the controversy, it was a night to savour for Kah, who became the first female jockey to win the coveted Scobie Breasley Medal.
And like her runaway Melbourne Jockey Premiership success, the vote count for the medal, which is based on performances on metropolitan racetracks and voted on by Racing Victoria stewards, was a one-horse race with Kah (86 votes) winning by a record 37 votes from Damian Lane (49).
Previous medallists Craig Williams (36) and Damien Oliver (35) also finished inside the top five on the leaderboard, as did Melbouren Cup hero Jye McNeil (34).
Kah was also awarded the Victorian Jockeys Assocation Most Valuable Jockey, as voted by her peers, and collected the Roy Higgins Medal as the winner of the Melbourne Jockey Premiership. 
"To be given this award (Scobie), there is so much history and prestige that comes with it, I'm absolutely privileged to be awarded it," she said.
"There were so many highlights through this year, it just got better and better every month.
"Winning Group 1 races is amazing but to be at your best the whole year and be rewarded with the Scobie, it's very special.
"There are some amazing riders in that top five so for me to win it, I'll definitely never forget it."

ENDS

Jamie appears before the VRT today ...............an expedited hearing sought by her brief Damian Shiels SC on the charge of giving false and misleading evidence to stewards.....she is not an appellant against the 3 months suspension for breaching COVID restrictions.... Judge Bowman chair of the VRT has released transcripts of appeals submissions by Mark Zahra's brief and the RV stewards submission ..posted previously on the VRT thread .

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-13, 04:34 PM
Jamie Kah pleads ‘not guilty’ to allegedly lying


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Jockey Jamie Kah faces extra penalty for allegedly misleading Stewards. Pictu Alex Coppel
Jockey Jamie Kah faces extra penalty for allegedly misleading Stewards. Pictu Alex Coppel
By Gilbert Gardiner
01:54pm • 13 September 2021
The Victorian Racing Tribunal will deliver its decision on Wednesday whether Jamie Kah allegedly gave false and/or misleading evidence to Stewards during the Mornington Airbnb party probe.

It followed a two-hour contested hearing on Monday in which barrister Raelene Sharp, acting for Racing Victoria, in submissions said Kah elected not to “disclose” Mark Zahra attended the gathering.

Kah, who is suspended until late November for attending the party, pleaded not guilty to the charge.

The Tribunal heard Stewards asked Kah multiple times in separate interviews on August 26-27 and 30 about who attended the house party.

It was not until Stewards, on August 30, asked Kah about Zahra specifically she confirmed his attendance.

When asked why she “didn't identify” Zahra earlier Kah claimed to understand the Stewards’ question of “who ended up there” as relating to when Victoria Police attended the house following a noise complaint.

“Well, look, you never actually asked me if Mark was there and I, from your question, when you said ‘who ended up being there’,” Kah told Stewards on August 30.

“I just thought you meant ‘who ended up there’, meaning, you know, the cops who came … it was late into the night and there were the people that were there.

“They were the reason why the cops came why there was the noise complaint.”

Kah’s barrister Damian Sheales on Monday based the defence on the Stewards’ generic questioning and validity of the “misguided” charge of giving false or misleading evidence when “the stewards didn’t ask”.

“The main argument is you cannot seek to prove a false statement by omission. Full stop,” Sheales said.

Sharp said it is “implausible” for Kah to suggest the question ‘who was present’ related solely to when police arrived.

“It was clear she was asked who was present,” Sharp said.

“She said there were five but that was false.”

The Tribunal heard suspended apprentice jockey Celine Gaudray was responsible for inviting fellow riders to Kah’s rental.

Kah, in the first of three interviews with Stewards from August 26-30, said she asked Gaudray “to come over” as she needed “someone to talk to”.

Initial questions of Kah by Stewards related to the Airbnb address and arrival and departure times.

Kah would then be asked whether she invited the other jockeys implicated into the Covid breach – Ben Melham, Ethan Brown and Gaudray.

Stewards at this time were unaware of Zahra’s attendance and nor was it volunteered by Kah.

According to a “portion” of Kah’s interview on August 26, as relayed by Sharp to the Tribunal, the exchange between the top jockey and chairman of stewards Robert Cram included:

Chairman: Did you invite the other people to attend?

Kah: No, that was not my intention. I did message Celine, we’re quite good friends and I just thought I needed someone to talk to, at the moment.

Kah: I wasn’t really planning on her staying but I just asked her to come over and the rest of them came over too.

Chairman: Who are the rest of them?

Kah identified Brown and Melham “and their friend”, one of two unlicensed (non-racing) people at the gathering.

Chairman: Was there another female there?

Kah: Yeah, there was another girl (not known to Kah) later on.

The Tribunal heard Kah left the house at about 10am on August 26.

Gaudray last Friday was found guilty of giving false and/or misleading evidence and subsequently handed an eight-week ban, of which six weeks would be suspended for two years.

The Tribunal will return on Wednesday to announce the Kah decision.

Judge John Bowman on Monday said a decision in the Zahra case would be delivered on Tuesday.

Melham and Brown will front the Tribunal later in the week.

ENDS

Toss of the coin job ..... maybe a slight leaning to RV argument ..that's my toss.

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-13, 08:18 PM
So with your mind set anyone who has been charged with a COVID breach should be suspended from their employment for a period of time?  :chin:

Yep GroupThink certainly has taken over Gin. Heaven help anyone who thinks for themselves and posts a slightly different opinion on social media that doesn't fit in with GroupThink. Out come the trolls.

Kah is a kid. Like all those other kids who decided enough is enough and went to Bondi Beach yesterday.

Wonder if they will all be fined and then suspended from their jobs for three months.

I have a problem with woke Health Dept officials insisting that our kids go last on the vaccine list. That sets a great example that does  :wacko:

What a gross over-reaction.

Zahra should have known better.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Sep-13, 08:36 PM
Yep GroupThink certainly has taken over Gin. Heaven help anyone who thinks for themselves and posts a slightly different opinion on social media that doesn't fit in with GroupThink. Out come the trolls.

Kah is a kid. Like all those other kids who decided enough is enough and went to Bondi Beach yesterday.

Wonder if they will all be fined and then suspended from their jobs for three months.

I have a problem with woke Health Dept officials insisting that our kids go last on the vaccine list. That sets a great example that does  :wacko:

What a gross over-reaction.

Zahra should have known better.

She is 25 and hardly a kid , she knew what she was doing and saying.

Simple , don't tell lies

 :beer:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Sep-13, 08:41 PM
The trouble with intellectual vacuums like PP is that they are not capable of discerning obvious differences which are apparent to others with a greater intellect. The Racing Industry ; thankfully, has enjoyed far greater freedoms than many other Industries /Activities etc through this entire Covid period. With that ; comes some responsibilities to allow the whole Industry to continue , proceed and prosper. Sadly these donkeys at Mornington were not able to realize the implications of their actions. And even worse they lacked the intestinal fortitude to own up to them when challenged. I certainly would rather the Industry to continue to operate rather than waste time dwelling on individuals who selfishly disregarded the continued employment of thousands of others for the sake of their own night of pleasure.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-13, 08:53 PM
She is 25 and hardly a kid , she knew what she was doing and saying.

Simple , don't tell lies

 :beer:

My 26 yo son said to us yesterday that a lot of kids his age are pissed off that "the adults" used up all the Pfizer vaccine while they had to wait. And I think he had a good point. There was plenty of AZ but selfish parents went first. I've always thought that you look after your kids first then yourself afterwards - excluding aged people from this argument as they should have gone first and did.

The big crowds of kids at Bondi and Cronulla yesterday were a collective "f. off" to all the adults IMO.   :lol:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-13, 09:01 PM
The trouble with intellectual vacuums like PP is that they are not capable of discerning obvious differences which are apparent to others with a greater intellect.

Thank you fours  :sleep:

The Racing Industry ; thankfully, has enjoyed far greater freedoms than many other Industries /Activities etc through this entire Covid period. With that ; comes some responsibilities to allow the whole Industry to continue , proceed and prosper. Sadly these donkeys at Mornington were not able to realize the implications of their actions. And even worse they lacked the intestinal fortitude to own up to them when challenged. I certainly would rather the Industry to continue to operate rather than waste time dwelling on individuals who selfishly disregarded the continued employment of thousands of others for the sake of their own night of pleasure.

You should listen to yourself.

Most of them were kids. They made a mistake. They said sorry.

It doesn't need a Spanish Inquisition.

Methinks the "rule book readers" like to comment to hear their own voices rather than any genuine concern about a poker night.

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Sep-13, 10:24 PM
For some time I thought Mair was the dumbest  correspondent on this forum . A thousand apologies to him ; PP laps him . Zahra, Melham, Kah are kids in his  eyes. Dead set no one in residence with that bloke.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Sep-13, 10:40 PM

Jamie Kah gets a free kick

                   -- if others appealing get a reduction, so does she.

This is a muskateers job-lot.

It now looks like a mouseketeers job lot.

......... no one involved realized this was a breach of the rules ........ among 'club members'.

[I am pleased that 'gunner' has seen the light.]



Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-13, 10:50 PM
At the end, Kah did the crime and is paying the penalty as well as Zahra, Melham etc. Yes, it is an expensive exercise but they all know racing has been granted special status.

The rugby league players who have been busted doing the same have lost contracts or paid proportionate to their salaries. AFL did the same so it is not like the jockeys had no idea they were going to be punished if caught.

Now on a more interesting side note, would anyone complaining about the severity about Kah’s penalty be equally indignant about Loy’s punishment for allegedly calling the Premier of NSW names?

Loy was exercising his freedom of speech criticising the laws while Kah broke the law. Penalties are the same so you could argue if Loy deserves 3 months as per NSW stewards, Kah deserves longer.

The interesting situation is Carmody and Thompson are facing sanctions for alleged breaches in NSW. It will be interesting to see how the NSW stewards rate this compared to Kah and Loy.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Sep-13, 10:54 PM

Loy will be found to be 'not guilty'

                                                   ................... if not, it is others who are
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-13, 11:04 PM
Jamie Kah gets a free kick

                   -- if others appealing get a reduction, so does she.

This is a muskateers job-lot.

It now looks like a mouseketeers job lot.

......... no one involved realized this was a breach of the rules ........ among 'club members'.

[I am pleased that 'gunner' has seen the light.]

Yes you and him are "brothers in thought" now Pete. I won't need to read his posts any more as I know you speak for him....so I can put him on Ignore.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-13, 11:08 PM

Loy was exercising his freedom of speech criticising the laws while Kah broke the law. Penalties are the same so you could argue if Loy deserves 3 months as per NSW stewards, Kah deserves longer.


No the really interesting thing is that you are supporting Israel Folau now I assume.

Or perhaps we can come up with a reason why Izzy's freedom of speech is different to Brodie Loy's  :chin:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-14, 09:37 AM
No the really interesting thing is that you are supporting Israel Folau now I assume.

Or perhaps we can come up with a reason why Izzy's freedom of speech is different to Brodie Loy's  :chin:

No difference between Folau and Loy or the country trainer who criticised V’landys.

The issue with Folau was that he may have signed a non social media agreement but the fact that he finished the winner with a nice settlement implies  that contractually he is in the right.

Now anyone who has an opinion in the public has to face people who extol opposing views especially if you are criticising people of certain persuasion. That’s Folau’s issue as people will campaign against views which is also the right of the people to do so.

Free speech works both ways. But unfortunately people who criticise don’t want to be criticised back or have their products be boycotted. That is freedom of choice too. 

In the case of Loy and the country trainer who criticised V’landys, it seems that Racing NSW stewards have the same control like the ARU. Thus anyone backing Folau should back Loy and the country trainer. So if they are clamping down on Loy, will they clamp down on anyone who has anti vax views too as that is against NSW Government policy.

The stewards case against Carmody and Thompson will be an interesting precedent too.

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-14, 02:45 PM
In spite of what some will think, I have never, ever had a problem with people criticizing V'Landys.

The problem arises because some people hate him with a real passion. Wily has started calling this V'Landys Derangement Syndrome because the behaviour is very much like Trump Derangement Syndrome.

With Trump, anyone who was seen to support him (important word that seen) would get both barrels from TDS sufferers.

However, as with Trump, some people like myself point out the exaggerations in these hate posts and then we too become the targets of TDS (or VDS) sufferers.

You want to criticize V'Landys? Go knock yourself out.

But don't "go off" if people like me pick you up on anything that is exaggerated.

The projection that V'Landy's is personally responsible for cruelty of horses in NSW is an exaggeration.


Back on thread, I think people should leave Jamie Kah alone. She is in her twenties, living away from home and she snuck out for a night.

Then she gets a suspension that is more than Tommy Berry got for causing the death of a horse and put Brenton Avdulla in hospital with a broken neck.

Fair dinkum some people cannot see the forest because of the trees.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Sep-14, 03:01 PM
Fancy getting a lecture like this from you.

Did you ever in your life think that someone might know someone who knows the ABC reporter on the end of your accusations on the "Final Race" thread.
I would think unless you can fully  support your claims about her on here...well you have a bit to think about!
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-14, 03:35 PM
In spite of what some will think, I have never, ever had a problem with people criticizing V'Landys.

The problem arises because some people hate him with a real passion. Wily has started calling this V'Landys Derangement Syndrome because the behaviour is very much like Trump Derangement Syndrome.

With Trump, anyone who was seen to support him (important word that seen) would get both barrels from TDS sufferers.

However, as with Trump, some people like myself point out the exaggerations in these hate posts and then we too become the targets of TDS (or VDS) sufferers.

You want to criticize V'Landys? Go knock yourself out.

But don't "go off" if people like me pick you up on anything that is exaggerated.

The projection that V'Landy's is personally responsible for cruelty of horses in NSW is an exaggeration.


Back on thread, I think people should leave Jamie Kah alone. She is in her twenties, living away from home and she snuck out for a night.

Then she gets a suspension that is more than Tommy Berry got for causing the death of a horse and put Brenton Avdulla in hospital with a broken neck.

Fair dinkum some people cannot see the forest because of the trees.

PP, the only reason V’landys was mentioned is that Racing NSW Stewards have form for anyone who criticises authority on social media and Loy was part of the argument. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about V’landys. I personally think he has done a good job on most regards especially in last few years and NRL. But people are entitled to opinion and like Folau, it is free speech. Calling it a derangement syndrome for anyone who criticises him is pointless and against free speech. Free speech means anyone’s opinions  can be heard without resorting to names based on political beliefs. However let’s not pollute this thread.

Loy should be given a warning and move on.

Back on Kah, the sentence could be too severe. A month would have sufficed as she had no form and it seems a one off mistake. Rubbing her out for the lucrative months is almost like a 6-8 month suspension.

Compare this to Ollie and how he was allowed to ride before given a suspension after the spring carnival and expire just in time for the spring carnival.

The NSW trainers being investigated are a lot more interesting in my view if the allegations are true and there maybe regular breaches too. It also came out that some people changed addresses in Sydney to show they were outside the LGA. I wonder if the stewards will check out the living arrangements etc or have the power to do so .


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/thompson-carmody-to-front-stewards-inquiry-later-this-week-20210911

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-14, 07:12 PM
Calling it a derangement syndrome for anyone who criticises him is pointless and against free speech.

But that is not factually true is it.

We are not calling anyone who criticises him as having VDS. We are not against free speech.

Unlike those who tried to gag Izzy over his religious beliefs.

So I will continue to use the terminology "Derangement Syndrome", and it is not pointless and it is not against free speech.

Those that obsess over V'Landys and exaggerate - I won't be silenced. So watch out  :bop:

Same as Jamie Kah.

It is like I am sharing a forum with a bunch of old women sometimes.

At what point in our history did we start moralizing over a 25yo girl going out at night?

Here's something to moralize about. Jamie's generation is going to have to pay for all this largesse by current politicians who will be entitled to a generous taxpayer funded pension until they die.

What is more outrageous? Jamie sneaking out one night. Or the Qld premier letting footballer's WAGs into Qld whilst causing a Lismore based newborn to die because she banned access to Qld medical health by Northern NSW people.

Why don't we all click our tongues and proselytize about that!!
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Sep-14, 07:39 PM
"It is like I am sharing a forum with a bunch of old women sometimes "

The ultimate sexist as well as all the other baggage this goose carries around. A Trump fan to boot.

EDIT: Abusive part removed. Watch it gunbower.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-14, 07:47 PM
PP, I don’t know what the obsession with V’landys is but put it on that thread.

Back on Kah, what should her punishment be? Should the NRL and AFL have cracked down on Covid breaches too with heavy fines?

If Kah broke the rules should she be exonerated because of her age. I can guarantee that there are many parties happening in many lockdown states and no one will get caught. Does it make it right, absolutely not but it is life.

In regards to pollies, don’t get me started on the hypocrisy on both parties and that is why I will vote independent. Ana and Dan have dubious standards with who can break quarantine standards etc while Gladys allowed the rich IPL players in front of people who were waiting months, not forgetting Houston and his suite demand. Scotty becoming a Labor pollie by spending billions that he will never pay for or disclose jobkeeper rorters etc.

But again back on Kah, what is a fair penalty for her? What is a fair penalty for Loy? What is a fair penalty for Carmody and Thompson if found guilty?

It is easy to criticise and we do that but what is fair in covid days as it is not normal days?

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-15, 08:46 AM
I can answer two of the under mentioned hypotheticals only because the stewards reported both Thompson and Carmody fined $18,750.

Loy will be represented by Damian Sheals in his appeal to the RNSW Appeals Panel he will get a fair hearing no idea what penalty he will get.
There may be precedents which will influence the panel in deciding what penalty if any h=is appropriate.

Kah's case will be decided today the VRT reserved its decision on Monday .....I'm leaning towards the RV stewards position..my guess is she'll probably get two months one of which will be suspended ......in company with Zahra's penalty .

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-15, 08:56 AM

But again back on Kah, what is a fair penalty for her? What is a fair penalty for Loy? What is a fair penalty for Carmody and Thompson if found guilty?


A (hypothetical) kick up the backside and told don't do it again.

Also tell them "you do it again you will get 3 months".

That'll work and is the way responsible adults should deal with it - and have dealt with it in the past.

Empowerment has gone to woke people who have NFI. They rise to these positions of power and when they are required to think about something they decline and make decisions based on "what the media will say".

You give ,them 3 months then don't expect them to respect you.
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-15, 05:15 PM
Kah’s barrister reveals $1m spring hit in penalty plea
Jamie Kah pleaded not guilty to giving false and or misleading evidence to stewards.
By Gilbert Gardiner
12:02pm • 15 September 2021

Jamie Kah’s barrister has launched an impassioned plea for the Victorian Racing Tribunal to wholly suspend its penalty for the star jockey misleading stewards during the Mornington Airbnb probe.

Barrister Damian Sheales said Kah, who has been through “enough” humiliation, faces the potential of a “world record” penalty for the Covid-19 breach, having lost fancied Cups and Cox Plate rides alone.

Kah is serving a three-month ban for her part in an illegal gathering on August 25, along with Ben Melham, Ethan Brown, Mark Zahra and apprentice jockey Celine Gaudray.

Prior to penalty submissions being heard, the tribunal was unanimous in finding Kah guilty of giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards during last month‘s the party probe.

The charge stemmed from Kah not being forthcoming about Mark Zahra’s attendance at the short-stay rental.


Barrister Raelene Sharp, acting for Racing Victoria, asked the tribunal to impose a further eight-week ban to be served after the three-month suspension ends in late November.

But during a colourful nine-minute submission, Sheales said the positive effect Kah has had on racing in Victoria, which he likened to Irish stayer Vintage Crop, should be considered.

Vintage Crop in 1993 became the first northern hemisphere galloper to win the Melbourne Cup.

He also asked the tribunal to take into account the “spectacular” cost of Kah sitting out the spring carnival as it is, along with the “public humiliation”.

“She took it (penalty) on the chin,” Sheales said.

“She made a public statement, she has been nothing but dignified in silence since.

“This is a massive penalty, if I may say with respect, it is not hyperbole … this is a world record penalty (for a Covid-19 breach) that she has taken on the chin.

“She’s already missed out on the rides of the winners of the only two Group 1 races this season because she was booked to ride them both (Behemoth and Incentivise).

“They were both $1m races (Memsie and Makybe Diva Stakes) and without slings her percentage is $100,000 so that’s a $100,000 penalty she’s already paid.”

Suspended jockey Jamie Kah could potentially miss out on $1m in prizemoney this spring, according to her barrister.

Kah had been booked to ride Incentivise, firm favourite in Melbourne and Caulfield Cup markets, and was on standby to partner Zaaki, the short-priced Cox Plate elect.

“If those horses win … just on those three races alone and the two races already run and won, it’s a $1m penalty and she doesn’t complain,” Sheales said.

“The penalty she’s paid is just spectacular, surely there comes a time where … enough is enough.”

Kah rewrote Victorian racing history last season, claiming the Melbourne premiership with a record 105 winners.

Her feat culminated in the 25-year-old last Sunday becoming the first woman to be crowned Scobie Breasley medallist and Victorian Jockeys’ Association Most Valuable Jockey.

Judge John Bowman said Kah’s interpretation of a stewards’ question “who ended up there“ as relating to when police arrived is “totally unbelievable”.

Only when asked directly about Zahra in a third interview did Kah confirm Zahra’s attendance.

In the contested hearing last Monday, Sheales said Kah thought stewards meant who was at the house when police arrived late on August 25 following a noise complaint.

Judge Bowman rejected the claim on Wednesday.

“This explanation is far from convincing,” Judge Bowman said.

“Apart from anything else, the point you would’ve told the stewards about Mr Zahra’s presence had you been specifically asked is scarcely inadequate or illogical.”

The tribunal will publish a penalty for Kah at 9am on Friday.

Zahra got eight weeks last Tuesday, including four weeks suspended for two years.

Gaudray last Friday was handed the same penalty with six weeks suspended due to her early guilty plea, age and inexperience.

Melham and Brown will have their cases heard this week.

ENDS

Friday is D Day......looks like Judge Bowman isn't applying the rubber stamp to RV's penalty submission there are other options.

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-16, 08:37 PM
Incentivise owners dispute Jamie Kah’s claims

By Ben Dorries
09:59am • 16 September 2021
Connections of Melbourne and Caulfield Cup favourite Incentivise have flatly rejected claims that Jamie Kah had been booked to ride Peter Moody’s star Group 1 winner.

Kah’s barrister Damian Sheales told the Victorian Racing Tribunal on Wednesday that Kah’s ban for the infamous Airbnb party had already seen her miss out on riding Victoria’s two Group 1 winners this season – Behemoth and Incentivise.

It came as Sheales argued that Kah’s original three month penalty had already been spectacular and any penalty for her guilty finding for misleading stewards during the Airbnb probe should be wholly suspended.

“She’s already missed out on the rides of the winners of the only two Group 1 races this season because she was booked to ride them both (Behemoth and Incentivise),” Sheales argued.

“They were both $1m races (Memsie and Makybe Diva Stakes) and without slings her percentage is $100,000 so that’s a $100,000 penalty she’s already paid.”

However the Incentivise camp insists Kah was never booked for Incentivise in the Makybe Diva or any spring carnival race.

Glen Boss was originally booked for Incentivise but when he was not allowed to enter Victoria via Darwin, connections had been deliberating between Brett Prebble and Kah.

Kah was ruled out when the stewards opened an inquiry into the conduct of Kah and other jockeys at the Airbnb gathering.


The entire Incentivise camp disputes Kah’s claim she was booked to ride the horse which has taken Australian racing by storm.

It is a fascinating development given that was one of the key planks of submissions by Kah’s legal team.

“She was never, ever booked (for Incentivise) – as simple as that, it’s a fact,” part-owner Brae Sokolski told News Corp Australia.

“We were deciding between Brett Prebble and Jamie.

“It is a 100 per cent fact that no decision was made prior to the (stewards) news surfacing about Jamie.

“At the end of the day the decision was made for us, it went from a field of two to a field of one.”


Brae Sokolski says Jamie Kah was never booked to ride Incentivise.

Prebble made the most of his opportunity to ride Incentivise, the exciting former Queensland stayer, claiming an exhilarating win in last Saturday’s Makybe Diva Stakes at Flemington.

Incentivise is the $4.50 favourite for the Caulfield Cup and $8 favourite for the Melbourne Cup, weighted with 55.5kg in both Cups.

Kah has already been suspended for three months and will soon learn whether she faces a further sanction.

The Victorian Racing Tribunal will publish a penalty for Kah’s charge of providing false and/or misleading evidence to Racing Victoria stewards at 9am on Friday.

ENDS

Thought it wasn't so ...............surprising that Damian Sheales was told she had been engaged ..he would have received instructions that was the case ..puts  a big dent in the foregone earnings capacity ...interesting to see if the VRT makes reference to it in their decision tomorrow.

Giddy up :beer:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-17, 11:44 AM
Kah ban extended in latest twist to AirBnB saga
Jamie Kah has been suspended for lying to stewards.
By Gilbert Gardiner
09:28am • 17 September 2021
Jamie Kah has been suspended for two months for giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards during an inquiry into the Mornington Airbnb gathering.

The Victorian Racing Tribunal delivered the unanimous decision on Friday morning.

Unlike previous cases involving fellow Airbnb attendees Mark Zahra and Celine Gaudray, Kah, who pleaded not guilty to lying to stewards, has been afforded no discount to the new suspension.

It means Kah, who copped a three-month ban for the Covid-19 breach, will be unable to ride in races until the end of January.

Judge John Bowman confirmed the suspension must be served cumulatively.

The charge stemmed from Kah not naming Mark Zahra as an attendee of the gathering on August 25 when asked “who ended up there”.

In a separate interview on August 30 Kah confirmed Zahra attended when asked directly about the jockey.

Kah’s defence is based on the fact she misinterpreted the generic question “who ended up there” as relating to when Victoria Police broke up the gatheringon August 25 following a noise complaint.

It is accepted Zahra only spent a short time at the Tallis Dr address where he had “a couple of drinks” and was not there when local police arrived late at night.

Jamie Kah has now been rubbed out for five months.

In handing down the decision Judge John Bowman said: “When telling stewards who was present you willfully omitted the name of Mr Zahra.

“You did not give his name until directly confronted by stewards (August 30).

“Your evidence was that, while you knew he had been at the premises, you thought the stewards were inquiring about who had been present at a later time.

“We made it clear this is an excuse which we simply do not accept.”

Judge Bowman said the giving of false or misleading evidence, which led to Zahra not being a known participant until August 28, “could have been a calamity” in the event of a Covid-19 outbreak.

The tribunal took into account the “massive potential losses” Kah’s current three-month ban for the Covid breach has financial and for her career generally.

But as they are separate matters – Covid breach and lying – it played no part in the new two-month ban.

Kah, who pleaded not guilty to lying, must serve the eight weeks, as opposed to part suspended.

“You are fully entitled to plead not guilty and it would be wrong to impose a penalty for your doing so, however, no discounting factor in the type related to pleading guilty shall apply,” Judge Bowman said.

The tribunal heard on Wednesday Kah offered to plead guilty to misleading stewards but not the giving of false evidence, based on her interpretation of “who ended up there” being a point in time.

ENDS

Out for five months 3 for Covid +2 for false and misleading  evidence .

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2021-Sep-17, 03:15 PM
Who officiates down there.

Judge Roy Bean  :what:

Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-17, 05:48 PM
Kah to fight two-month lying ban in Supreme Court
Jamie Kah was handed an extra two-month ban for misleading stewards on top of her three-month suspension for breaking Covid-19 protocols.
Kah was handed an extra two-month ban for misleading stewards on top of her three-month suspension for breaking Covid-19 protocols.
By Gilbert Gardiner
09:28am • 17 September 2021

Jamie Kah has launched Supreme Court action to dismiss the charge of giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards during a probe into the Mornington Airbnb gathering.

Kah’s lawyers acting on instruction filed the grounds of appeal to commence the legal proceeding after the Victorian Racing Tribunal on Friday suspended the jockey for a further two months.

The penalty means Kah, now serving a three-month ban for the Covid-19 breach on August 25, cannot ride in races until late January.

News Corp Australia has established the trigger for the Supreme Court escalation is not the suspension, as such, but that her integrity is in question.

Kah was prepared to plead guilty to unintentionally misleading the stewards but would not and does not accept that she ever gave “false” evidence or intentionally misled the stewards.


She is also said to be very disappointed with the stewards’ submissions on penalty that she had shown no remorse despite them being well aware of her extreme level of distress.

Kah was experiencing personal issues at the time of the gathering, which led her to ask friend, apprentice jockey Celine Gaudray, to come over as she needed “someone to talk to”.

“Today I have appealed my conviction by the VRT and penalty imposed upon me to the Supreme Court of Victoria,” Kah posted on her social media.

“I have done so because I answered every question asked of me by stewards truthfully and yet I have been found guilty of giving false evidence.

“My reputation, which I have earned by my conduct over my whole life as an honest person, is very important to me.

“I am going to Court to defend my reputation as to honesty. It is too important to myself as a person not to.

“I will not be making any further public comment on the matter. The Courts will decide the issues.”

Racing Victoria Show Cause Hearing

Jamie Kah’s barrister Damian Sheales has filed an appeal to the Supreme Court after the star jockey was banned a further two months.

The charge stemmed from the 25-year-old not naming Mark Zahra when asked by stewards on August 26 “who ended up there”.

Kah interpreted the question as relating to when Victoria Police at about midnight to break up the party.

Kah replied with the names of Ben Melham, Ethan Brown and two other non-licensed attendees as having “ended up” there, the point in time when police arrived.

Only in a third interview on August 30 did Kah, when asked directly about Zahra, confirm he was “briefly” at the property.

Zahra was not at the house when police attended.

News Corp Australia has obtained the six conviction errors — grounds for dismissal — which Sheales filed with the Supreme Court on Friday.

A further five “errors” in reasoning have also been lodged — taking the total number to 11 grounds.

A Supreme Court Judge need only find one warranted the Racing Victoria case will be dismissed.

These include:

■ THE VRT “erred as to a matter of law” by finding the charge proven against Kah, as the particulars of the charge, if proven, did not and could not constitute offence against the Rule.

■ THE VRT failed to afford Kah “procedural fairness” by “entirely recasting” RV’s case after the close of evidence and all submissions.

■ The VRT erred by determining that: one specific answer given by Kah to stewards was “wilfully false”. The failure to answer that truthfully and completely is essentially what is being asserted in the charge. Kah’s guilt was established as a result of the impugned answer alone.

The wording is at odds with submissions heard by the tribunal, where stewards alleged a case by omission, as opposed to Kah’s answers to questions asked by stewards being untrue.

■ The VRT erred in its construction of Rule 232(i) (false and/or misleading evidence) by determining that: any evidence given in an interview that was capable of being determined to be false or misleading was not confined to the statements uttered by an interviewee during the course of the interview. A breach the Rule could be proved by omission or silence.

■ THE VRT erred determining the Rule (or the Rules generally) imposed any obligation of voluntary disclosure upon the plaintiff.

■ ALTERNATIVELY to Ground 5, if Rule 232 (i) imposed any obligation of voluntary disclosure upon the plaintiff (which is denied), the VRT erred as a matter of law in determining that the plaintiff had breached any such obligation of voluntary when being interviewed.

■ THE VRT erred in ordering a two-month suspension to be effective cumulatively upon the three months’ suspension by failing to give any adequate weight to: totality, proportionality, parity, remorse and manner in which Kah conducted her defence.

Under the Rules Of Racing participants are obliged to answer questions put to them by stewards truthfully.

There is no obligation to volunteer information under the rules.

Importantly, the veracity of Kah’s interviews – on August 26, 27 and 30 – has not been doubted by the stewards, only that the she omitted Zahra in a response to the “ended up” question.

Jamie Kah’s ban has been extended to five months.

A transcript of interview buried in the VRT judgment shows Kah also left out apprentice jockey Celine Gaudray’s name when asked “who ended up being there”.

CHAIRMAN: OK. So did you invite the other people to arrive?

KAH: No, that wasn’t my intention. I did message Celine. We’re quite good friends and I just thought I need someone to talk to at the moment and I wasn’t really planning on her staying but I just asked her to come over and the rest of them came over too.

CHAIRMAN: And who ended up being there?

KAH: Ethan Brown and Ben Melham and their friend, (NAME WITHHELD).

CHAIRMAN: Yes. Was there another female there?

KAH: Yeah, there was another girl later on. Look, I’m not really quite sure who she is. I honestly – honest truth, I couldn’t really tell you who she is, and that was not the intention for her to be there”.

In her interview on August 30 Kah said Zahra had been at the gathering “briefly”, when asked directly about the jockey, and strongly denied lying about the fact.

KAH: Like I said, Mark was there briefly early on. He didn’t end up being there – didn’t end up staying or wasn’t there when the police came …

CHAIRMAN: … anything further you wish to tell us?

KAH: No, sir. Look, I’ve been very upfront with you today and, look, honestly, if you’d asked me if Mark was – you know, if he was there at any time early in the night, I would have said that, but I just thought you asked who ended up there, meaning the incident and the reason the police came.

CHAIRMAN: … would you agree that during that part of the interview, it wasn’t mentioned about the police and there were no questions about who was there before the police arrived?

Would you agree with that?

KAH: “Look sir, I just answered the question that you said, “Who ended up being there?” and that’s what I thought my response would be to who ended up there”.

Kah ban extended in latest twist to Airbnb saga

Jamie Kah has been suspended for two months for giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards during an inquiry into the Mornington Airbnb gathering.

The Victorian Racing Tribunal delivered the unanimous decision on Friday morning.

Unlike previous cases involving fellow Airbnb attendees Mark Zahra and Celine Gaudray, Kah, who pleaded not guilty to lying to stewards, has been afforded no discount to the new suspension.

It means Kah, who copped a three-month ban for the Covid-19 breach, will be unable to ride in races until the end of January.

Judge John Bowman confirmed the suspension must be served cumulatively.

The charge stemmed from Kah not naming Mark Zahra as an attendee of the gathering on August 25 when asked “who ended up there”.

In a separate interview on August 30 Kah confirmed Zahra attended when asked directly about the jockey.

Kah’s defence is based on the fact she misinterpreted the generic question “who ended up there” as relating to when Victoria Police broke up the gathering on August 25 following a noise complaint.

It is accepted Zahra only spent a short time at the Tallis Dr address where he had “a couple of drinks” and was not there when local police arrived late at night.

Kah is unable to ride until the end of January. Pictu Racing Photos via Getty Images

In handing down the decision Judge John Bowman said: “When telling stewards who was present you wilfully omitted the name of Mr Zahra.

“You did not give his name until directly confronted by stewards (August 30).

“Your evidence was that, while you knew he had been at the premises, you thought the stewards were inquiring about who had been present at a later time.

“We made it clear this is an excuse which we simply do not accept.”

Judge Bowman said the giving of false or misleading evidence, which led to Zahra not being a known participant until August 28, “could have been a calamity” in the event of a Covid-19 outbreak.

The tribunal took into account the “massive potential losses” Kah’s current three-month ban for the Covid breach has financial and for her career generally.

But as they are separate matters – Covid breach and lying – it played no part in the new two-month ban.

Kah, who pleaded not guilty to lying, must serve the eight weeks, as opposed to part suspended.

“You are fully entitled to plead not guilty and it would be wrong to impose a penalty for your doing so, however, no discounting factor in the type related to pleading guilty shall apply,” Judge Bowman said.

The tribunal heard on Wednesday Kah offered to plead guilty to misleading stewards but not the giving of false evidence, based on her interpretation of “who ended up there” being a point in time.
ENDS

The grounds of the application to the Supreme Court look like the scatter gun approach ...hoping one will hit the target ......VRT reasons for decision do not appear to be publicly available yet.....the only certainty is that the Court's decision won't be decided on comments made on social media......whether friends or foes.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-17, 07:27 PM
ended...

Stewards may lose due to a poorly worded question. Maybe they need legal training.

Could easily have asked a much clearer question leaving no doubt.

The doubt is what Kah's team may succeed on.

Fours
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-17, 08:03 PM
Reasons for Decision of the VRT on Wednesday 15th September finding Jamie guilty of the charge of giving false or misleading evidence to stewards  ..............to be followed by the decision imposing a two month penalty .

2. DECISION AND REASONS FOR DECISION
Based on the above, we say now that we are comfortably satisfied that Mr Zahra was one of the seven people at the gathering; that he was there at least long enough to have had a couple of drinks, if not participate in the barbecue; that you knew that he had been there; and that, when interviewed by the Stewards, you referred to and listed six people as being at the gathering before there was any reference in the interview to the police arriving. Indeed, you did not mention Mr Zahra at any time during the first interview.
Both Ms Sharp, Counsel on behalf of the Stewards, and Mr Sheales, Counsel on your behalf, made detailed and helpful submissions. We shall not set them out in full.   
We prefer those on behalf of the Stewards. We would make the following points.
Firstly, we shall set out in full an early part of the interview of 26 August 2016 which we regard as being as being important in relation to the Particulars of Charge:
“CHAIRMAN: Okay. So did you invite the other people to arrive?
MS KAH: No, that wasn’t my intention. I did message Celine. We’re quite good friends and I just thought I need someone to talk to at the moment and I wasn’t really planning on her staying but I just asked her to come over and the rest of them came over too.
CHAIRMAN: And who ended up being there?
MS KAH: Ethan Brown and Ben Melham and their friend, Rob Cummings.
CHAIRMAN: Yes. Was there another female there?
MS KAH: Yeah, there was another girl later on. Look, I’m not really quite sure who she is. I honestly – honest truth, I couldn’t really tell you who she is, and that was not the intention for her to be there”.
We agree with Ms Sharp that this is a very significant passage that effectively forms the basis of the Particulars of Charge. You were asked a simple question. You answered it to the extent of even mentioning a girl whose name you did not seem to know and who arrived “later on”. Mr Zahra in fact arrived “later on”. You did not give his name to the Stewards. To this point of the interview, there had been no mention of the police, noise, a late night or the like. 
We would repeat that the question, “And who ended up being there?” is a clear enquiry as to who attended at the premises. The failure to answer that truthfully and completely is essentially what is being asserted in the Particulars of Charge. Your later explanation in the third interview makes it clear that you were at all relevant times aware that Mr Zahra had been present at the Airbnb on that night.
When, in the third interview, you did admit that Mr Zahra had attended, you did not claim a memory lapse or the like. Further, it was not something which you volunteered. It was in response to a direct question of the Stewards, prefaced by the words “We’ve now learned that Mark Zahra was at the gathering.”
You did not suggest that this was something which you had previously forgotten when interviewed. The excuse which you proffered was that you thought that the enquiries of the Stewards were as to who was present when the police arrived. We find this to be totally unbelievable. You were aware of the COVID-19 situation and the Protocols. If that is so, you were aware of the crucial importance of identifying all who had been present at the gathering, regardless of the length of their stay.
The defence put forward by Mr Sheales was quite technical in nature and focussed on the wording of the Rule. Without wishing to oversimplify his arguments, his conclusions were that this Tribunal is bound by the common law definitions of false evidence and misleading evidence. He attacked the wording of the Particulars of Charge. Further, he argued that your original answers resulted from a question as to who “ended up” at the gathering. It is argued that you interpreted this as meaning at a later time, such as when the police arrived.
We disagree.
In our opinion, the words “false or misleading” are broad enough to include what could be described as falsity or being misleading by way of omission or silence. In the first interview, you were asked very important questions as to the identification of who had been present. In your answers, you did not name Mr Zahra, although you knew that he had been present. That was a false answer. It was a breach of the Rule.
We are not of the opinion that we need even go that far. The wilfully false answer to the Chairman’s question “And who ended up there?“ is sufficient to establish the breach. The Charge is clear. The Particulars are clear. The breach is clear. 
We do not accept that you were somehow misled by the Chairman’s use of the words “ended up”. When viewed in context, and in the context of a COVID-19 situation, it was clear that the Stewards wanted the names of all persons, and particularly licensed persons, who had been present.  That is understandable. They were dealing with a COVID-19 situation and the Protocols.

In summary, we are comfortably satisfied that the charge has been proven. We shall hear the parties on the question of penalty at a suitable time.


Mark Howard
Registrar, Victorian Racing Tribunal

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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-17, 08:12 PM
Today's VRT decision to impose a two month suspension following their findings on Wednesday.

 DECISION

Ms Jamie Kah, we have found you guilty of a breach of AR 232(i). We have found that you gave evidence at an interview or inquiry that was false or misleading. We would refer to our decision of 15 September 2021. We shall not set out the background facts, which are contained in that decision. Suffice to say that they concern a get together on the night of 25 August 2021 at an Airbnb rented by you at Mornington.
The breach of the Rule with which you have been charged took place on 26 August 2021. When telling Stewards who had been present, you wilfully omitted the name of Mr Mark Zahra. You did not give his name until directly confronted by the Stewards on 30 August 2021. Your evidence was that, whilst you knew that he had been at the house earlier, you thought that the Stewards were enquiring about who had been present at a later time when the police arrived. We have made it clear that this was an excuse which we simply do not accept.
As we said in the cases of Ms Gaudray and Mr Zahra, the giving of false or misleading evidence to the Stewards is understandably a serious offence, even at the best of times. The work of the Stewards is demanding. The arrival of the COVID-19 epidemic and the Protocols increased those demands. Having to endure false or misleading evidence, and the resulting wastage of time, is something that they can ill afford. General deterrence is an important consideration.
Further, given that this offence occurred in the context of COVID-19, this giving of false or misleading evidence could have had disastrous consequences, both for those participating, other members of the industry with whom they came into contact and the general public. Many hours passed between your false or misleading evidence to the Stewards on 26 August 2021 and your ultimate admission on 30 August 2021 that Mr Zahra had been present at the party. Indeed, the greater part of a day (and his riding at jump-outs on 27 August 2021) had passed between Mr Zahra leaving the party and his admission to the Stewards. In short, there could have a calamity.
However, this charge concerns not your breaching AR 232(b), for which you have already been punished, but for giving false or misleading evidence. The relevance of the COVID-19 virus is that it is the context in which this charge arose and the fact that your false evidence delayed the Stewards awareness of Mr Zahra’s attendance at your premises. 
We also take into account the matters put forward by Mr Sheales on your behalf. You have an unblemished record in respect of this or any other serious offence. You are highly successful and have just won the award for riding the most metropolitan winners in the 2020-21 season. As submitted by Mr Sheales, you have created a large amount of positive and widespread interest in racing. Apart from your obviously outstanding ability, the manner in which you have presented yourself has brought a lot of favourable attention to the sport and the industry associated with it.
Mr Sheales also addressed us in relation to the financial impact of your suspension – for example, the missing out on leading rides in the Cox Plate, the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups and the like. Of course, missing those top Spring Carnival rides is the consequence of the penalty imposed by the Stewards for your breach of AR 232 (b) – what could be described as the COVID-19 offence – and is a penalty which you have not challenged.
We appreciate that Mr Sheales was making that submission concerning massive potential losses in the context of the background to this offence. We also appreciate that there is some factual overlapping between the two charges. However, they remain two distinct and separate charges, attracting separate penalties. Similarly, some aspects of what has been submitted by Ms Sharp on behalf of the Stewards might be seen as being more directed towards the charge for which you have already been punished.
The events at the Airbnb provide the setting or context in which this charge arose. The penalty which we impose will not be in respect of that background and the breach of AR 232(b). It will be for the breach of AR 232(i), a separate and serious offence.
Ms Sharp submitted that the penalty should be one of two months suspension, with no part of that period in turn suspended. She has drawn our attention to the penalties imposed in some previous cases involving jockeys and a breach of this Rule.
Mr Ben Melham was disqualified for a period of two months in December 2020. His case did not involve COVID-19. He had pleaded guilty.
Mr Ben Thompson pleaded guilty to a breach of this Rule on 14 July 2021. His case did not involve COVID-19. He was suspended for two months.   
In each of those cases, the penalty for the breach of AR 232(i) was not concurrent with the other charge or charges involved. It was cumulative.
The case of Mr Mitch Aitken (4 November 2020) was against a background of the COVID-19 Protocols. He pleaded guilty to a breach of AR 232(i). He was suspended for eight weeks. That was cumulative upon other penalties involved. However, the total period of suspension for all three charges to which he pleaded was in turn partially suspended. There were particular circumstances and problems in his background for which he was receiving professional assistance. None such has been put before us in your case and we repeat that Mr. Aitken, like Mr Melham and Mr Thompson, was pleading guilty.
Of course, you are fully entitled to plead not guilty, and it would be wrong to increase a penalty for your so doing. However, no discounting factor of the type related to a plea of guilty shall be applied. In arriving at an appropriate penalty, we have taken into account the principle of totality, and that, due to the factual circumstances, there is some overlay.
The bottom line is that we are of the opinion that a period of two months suspension should be imposed for this charge pursuant to AR 232(i). It is cumulative in its entirety upon the period of three months suspension imposed by the Stewards in relation to the breach of AR 232 (b). Thus, the total period of suspension is five months.


Mark Howard
Registrar, Victorian Racing Tribunal

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There are two options one is to appeal to VCAT on the question of penalty ..........the other is the one taken by Damian Sheales to apply to the Supreme Court raising the question of LAW ..be interesting to see how it turns out .


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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-20, 10:32 PM
Seems Racing NSW and Racing Victoria have a few things in common. Racing NSW imposed a 3 month suspension for a gathering too.

I do wonder whether those who criticised Racing Victoria for being heavy handed would take umbrage now at Racing NSW? The silence could be deafening due to the Peter V’Landys influence. However I am confused at the suspension of the jockeys but Carmody and Thompson received fines and they visited tracks too outside the lockdown LGAs.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/more-jockeys-banned-for-illegal-gathering-in-canberra-20210903
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Sep-21, 08:55 AM
RNSW seem to have no problem being very heavy handed on dishing out punishment to it's "lesser name"

It gives it "stars" very different treatment....Why?.... they want them present at their big race days because there is a buck in it!

RVL's  decision with Jamie Kah especially, would come at huge cost to them.....she brings the sort of world headlines the industry craves.
The 1k fine for J Mac for absolutely flogging a horse along with light  penalties for "star" jockeys  killing horses and injuring other jockeys just prove that.

Poison Pen's Meramist sadist got fined $3.7k for hitting a horse with a piece of poly pipe at an abattoir.....nearly 4 times J Mac's punishment....but he was on a racecourse. :what:
Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Oct-01, 05:55 PM
S ECI 2021 03412Jamie Kah v. Racing Victoria Limited (ACN 096 917 930) & Ors. Redcrest eFiling17-Sep-2021Open

Could be some time before the case climbs up the list to set a date for hearing there are quite a few files ahead of this one.


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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Oct-28, 12:57 PM
Kah waits on Supreme Court ruling in bid to clear name

Jamie Kah would be free to resume riding from November 26 if successful in her Supreme Court appeal.
By Gilbert Gardiner
12:23pm • 28 October 2021
Banned jockey Jamie Kah’s quest to clear her name — and beat a further two-month suspension — for giving Racing Victoria stewards false and/or misleading evidence hangs in the balance.

Supreme Court of Victoria Justice Niall QC on Thursday adjourned the matter for consideration, after hearing “concise but helpful submissions” made on behalf of Kah and RV stewards.

“The proceeding raises some issues of both importance and difficulty, so I propose to consider my decision,” Justice Niall QC said.

“I‘m conscious the suspension that was imposed by the tribunal (ends) on the 25th of November and I’ll do my best to ensure that the judgment of the court is delivered as expeditiously as possible.”


Kah received a three-month ban for her part in the Mornington Airbnb gathering back in late August.

She would go on to cop a further eight-week sanction, to be served cumulatively, for the additional charge of giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards.

The star jockey is fighting only the secondary charge and suspension, adamant her answers to all questions asked by stewards about the August 25 gathering were truthful.

It is a position shared by stewards.

However, the false and/or misleading charge stems from Kah’s omission to name fellow jockey Mark Zahra as an attendee of the gathering when asked by stewards “who ended up there”.


Jamie Kah was banned an extra two months for giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards.

Kah has long argued her answer, naming jockeys Ben Melham and Ethan Brown, along with two others (unlicensed persons), was linked to who was at the Airbnb when police attended the property.

In a third interview, when asked directly about Zahra, Kah confirmed he was at the gathering for a short time early on.

Kah’s barrister Damian Sheales on Thursday in submissions maintained the Victorian Racing Tribunal erred finding the star jockey guilty based on the question asked.

“If the questioner was interested in licensed persons he (chairman of stewards) should’ve asked about them,” Sheales said.

“The reality is … they asked the questions they chose to ask, they don’t suggest any (of her) answers are untrue, and now they want to convict her for answers not given to questions not asked.”

Barrister Raelene Sharp, acting for stewards, said Kah was trying to “explain away a decision she made not to name Mr Zahra” by linking the “who ended up being there” question to when police attended.

Should Kah be unsuccessful in her appeal the two-month ban will see her rubbed out until late January.

Alternatively, Kah would be free to resume race riding from November 26.

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The same argument was put to the VRT and was rejected the learned Judge will either come to the same conclusion or point out where the VRT was in error ..what's likely I have no idea
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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Nov-17, 07:36 PM
Kah ‘can’t wait’ to return after Supreme Court win

By Gilbert Gardiner
10:44am • 16 November 2021

Star jockey Jamie Kah cannot wait to get back to the races after her Supreme Court appeal of a two-month ban for giving false and/or misleading evidence to stewards was successful.

Kah’s original three month ban for a Covid-19 breach in late August – hosting a gathering at an Airbnb rental in Mornington – will expire at midnight November 25.

“I am obviously very happy with the outcome,” Kah said in a statement shortly after the Supreme Court decision.
“It’s now time to move forward.

“I can’t wait to get back to what I love, riding and being part of our amazing industry.

“Thanks to everyone who has said kind words to me or provided moral support over the last three months, it has been a real comfort through very tough times.
“As I said last time, I won’t be making any further public comment. See you at the races!!”

Kah, 25, who accepted her sanction for the gathering itself, launched the Supreme Court challenge in October after being found guilty and penalised for lying to stewards.

Supreme Court Justice Niall QC set aside the two-month penalty but stopped short of dismissing the charge completely.

Justice Niall upheld multiple grounds of appeal, including Kah being “denied” procedural fairness.

He also said the Victorian Racing Tribunal’s decision “did not reflect the charge as made by the stewards”.

“The position is, counsel, I propose to set aside the determination of penalty,” Justice Niall said.

“Can I indicate for the benefit of counsel that the originating motion seeks, by way of relief, an order from the court dismissing the charge, although I’m prepared to hear further argument on it, I’m not minded to dismiss the charge.

“It’s no role of the court of course, in judicial reviews, to determine the merits of the charge.”

Kah could be the first of the five jockeys implicated in the gathering to return to the racing arena.

Fellow jockeys and gathering attendees Celine Gaudray, Ethan Brown, Mark Zahra and Ben Melham will be eligible to resume in coming weeks and months following the expiration of their respective bans.

Brown, Zahra and Melham withdrew appeals of three-month suspensions and did not challenge the “false/misleading” charge, which attracted additional bans, ranging from two to eight weeks respectively.

Gaudray, who did not appeal the original three-month ban, will serve two weeks for the lying to stewards.
 
Jamie Kah’s original ban for a Covid-19 breach ends on November 25.

While Kah accepted her part in the Mornington Covid-19 breach at the earliest opportunity, the 25-year-old has remained adamant she never lied to stewards.

Kah alleged she was denied procedural fairness because the Tribunal found her guilty of giving false and/or misleading evidence despite never being asked directly to name all gathering attendees.

The stewards case hinged on Kah not naming Zahra when the question “who ended up being there?” was asked the morning after the August 25 gathering.

Kah interpreted the question to when police arrived at the property to investigate a noise complaint.

An extract of the stewards’ interview was included in the Supreme Court decision document.

STEWARD: And who ended up being there?

KAH: Ethan Brown and Ben Melham and their friend, Rob Cummings.

STEWARD: Yes. Was there another female there?

KAH: Yeah, there was another girl later on. Look, I’m not really quite sure who she is. I honestly – honest truth, I couldn’t really tell you who she is, and that was not the intention for her to be there.
 
Following the exchange the inquiry shifted to Kah’s movements after the races.

Justice Niall highlighted the stewards’ investigatory failure.

“The failure of the stewards to pinpoint a false answer arose in this case because the questions asked by the stewards lacked specificity,” Justice Niall said.

“The stewards may well have assumed that the plaintiff had provided a full list of the persons who were present at any time that night.

“However, they did not ask the plaintiff in a clear and unequivocal way to give that information.

“It is also notable that in answer to the question that the Tribunal ultimately focused on, the plaintiff did not refer to Ms Gaudray nor the unnamed female person she identified in answer to the next question.

“It could hardly be said that in failing to refer to those two people the plaintiff was giving a deliberately false answer to the question she was asked.

“The fact that the questions lacked a degree of specificity and did not expressly ask the plaintiff to list all of the people who were present on the night, did not of itself mean that the plaintiff’s evidence could not be false or misleading.”

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I don't imagine judge Bowman will be happy with the implied criticism ....... it shows how two eminently qualified judges consider the same issue but come up with different conclusions...that's how the law sometimes works .


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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: timw on 2021-Nov-18, 11:53 AM
While careers can and do turn on what someone does under the influence of alcohol and drugs I am fascinated by peoples ability to accurately remember events. 

I accept that contributors to this site have above average intelligence but we probably know someone who has said shortly after an exam they have forgotten almost everything they studied.  Yet we regularly see/read about witnesses who give faultless minute by minute accounts of events from years ago.  Conversely there are those that dont remember any details and the latter is generally disbelieved in media commentary. Putting aside coaching by legal advisors and/or survival instincts while both could be the telling the truth I suspect that in most cases the accuracy of recollection sits somewhere between the two extremes. In my case it would generally be towards the dont remember end even if it happened 10 minutes ago. 

So I have a chuckle in TV crime show land when Mr Plod enters a scene where alcohol was consumed in copious quantities expecting a useful recollection of events.  Ditto jockeys seemingly intent on having a very good time.   

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Title: Jamie Kah
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Nov-19, 08:10 PM
The decision with reasons for setting aside the penalty can be found in the link below.

http://www10.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC//2021/753.html


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