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Offline mortdale

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O.P. « 2017-Feb-05, 04:02 PM »
Just been in a discussion with a couple of retired jockeys who are struggling with Jeff Lloyd's riding style.

They can't understand why he has elected to shorten his irons even more than he did 3 seasons ago.

If you watch closely in a tight finish when Lloyd is riding hard he rises himself high in the stirrups and his bum bouncers down hard on the saddle and one has to question does this do any harm to a horses back?

I said, "for a guy who has been riding over a 100 winners each year in the past 2 seasons its hard to be critical".

We all know that Steve Smith doesn't have a technically correct batting style but he is certainly scoring plenty of runs.

Would be interested to hear some thoughts on Jeff Lloyd's riding style.

One guy has nicknamed Jeff Lloyd the "Bum Bouncer".
 

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« 2017-Feb-05, 04:12 PM Reply #1 »
You will see it in Pommy racing all the time, both on the flat and over Jumps.

I do not like it.

It is obviously something to do with the whip no longer being unlimited.

I know when I see a horse I have backed being bumped like this well before the race gets serious my money is down the drain.

It's  :censored: ing ugly.


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« 2017-Feb-05, 04:34 PM Reply #2 »
He has been winning quite alot up there has that been his style for all this time ?


He looked terrible doing it in that event just finished.


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« 2017-Feb-05, 05:44 PM Reply #3 »
All,

His strike rate is below that of other jockeys in the same area and state including some you have never heard of.

Zoe for one.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:35 PM Reply #4 »
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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:38 PM Reply #5 »

Offline Wenona

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:38 PM Reply #6 »
Racing and Sports has him having 457 rides for 106 winners in the 2016/17 season ... 23.2% winners

Trashing his strike rate is bullshit fours.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:39 PM Reply #7 »
Bugga.

I thought it prudent to restate my position.   :biggrin:

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:40 PM Reply #8 »
And the fact he's done it after suffering a stroke makes him a  :censored: ing legend.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:41 PM Reply #9 »
What do you think of his riding action. It seems by statistics to be effective for him but I am not sure it is.  :shrug:

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:43 PM Reply #10 »
Don't care ....... I'm more than happy to have him on anything I back.   emthup

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:45 PM Reply #11 »
To say his strike rate is no good is up there in Trumptarian alternative fact territory.


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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:46 PM Reply #12 »
He is freakish to be riding the way he is at that age. He is getting horses with ordinary form over the line. The problem is they are starting 1/4 of the odds they should be.
A similar environment to WA racing is occurring. Pike and Lloyd now make you second guess your bets as they are dominating.
Fours name the jockeys you speak of and their strike rates. Are you talking jockeys who get 2 rides a week??

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:52 PM Reply #13 »
Exactly, the public over play his mounts yet he's only losing 6.7% on SP in 2016/17.   :clap2:

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« 2017-Feb-05, 07:52 PM Reply #14 »
The only jockey in the Queensland current top 20 for winners who has a better strike rate than Jeff

is a Zoe White (hers is 23.3% his 23,1%).

Zoe rides in Central Queensland

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:01 PM Reply #15 »
All,

His strike rate is below that of other jockeys in the same area and state including some you have never heard of.

Zoe for one.

Fours

When I read that I thought this post was meant for some other thread.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:03 PM Reply #16 »
Also, I don't think he has featured in a noodle post.

Which must make him one of a few.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:07 PM Reply #17 »
Yeah, and the average number of runners in Zoe's last 30 Central Queensland races is 8, Jeff's is 11.
« Last Edit: 2017-Feb-05, 08:15 PM by Wenona »

Online fours

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:18 PM Reply #18 »
Eh?

Why the sensitivity fellas?

I never said he was no good but ou are reacting as if I did.

I merely said others had a better strike rate.

Zoe is but one - do your own homework.

Fours
ps for those prepared to at least do some work look at place strike rates - for many more money made there than on win spots or at least less lost for some.
« Last Edit: 2017-Feb-05, 08:25 PM by fours »

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:43 PM Reply #19 »
" Fours ".What a ridiculous argument. Fancy comparing "strike " rates from different areas. What do you think Viv Richards strike rate would have been against the Cunnamulla Crows or the Mudgee Magpies ? Give yourself an uppercut and go to bed.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:48 PM Reply #20 »
Gunbower,

Give yourself twice the serving - you can look at the same area too.

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« 2017-Feb-05, 08:50 PM Reply #21 »
All,

His strike rate is below that of other jockeys in the same area and state including some you have never heard of.

Zoe for one.

Fours

OK so Zoe White has a very marginal better win strike rate in races with 30% less runners per race at non-TAB meetings.not in the same area ... you said below other jockeys in the same area ... name them ... you got called out because you're talking crap .... just fess up ... we all talk shit at times.
« Last Edit: 2017-Feb-05, 09:09 PM by Wenona »

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« 2017-Feb-05, 09:20 PM Reply #22 »
Wenona,

It is you talking crap on two points.

I was carefull to state 'and state' which you have snipped because you have a defensive agenda based on your false assumption i was attacking Jeff.

I was doing no such thing.

As for the same area Jeff's before Saturdays races stats were win 20% and place 36% from his last 50 rides compared to Damien Browns 26 and 58%. Damien's stats remain much better if we stretch things to the last 350 rides.

I have had several collects on TAB race on Zoe's mounts in the last week so just who is talking crrap?

Yes indeed some people do need to admit when they are wrong.

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Offline Wenona

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« 2017-Feb-05, 10:09 PM Reply #23 »
I'm happy for people to judge our respective comments for what they are.


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« 2017-Feb-12, 03:35 PM Reply #24 »
A few points re Jeff lloyd, first it doesn't matter what people/punters think about a Jockeys riding style, it only matters what the horse thinks.....and horses run for him!........second point style really doesn't matter, I have seen great jockeys with all sorts of different styles and they all work, it comes down to the Jockey using them..............and again what the horse/s think and 3rd point there are 2 sorts of Jockeys, for the want of a better word I class some as Jockeys and precious few as Horsemen/women.....even less are both, I believe Jeff is about as close as they come these days to being both a horseman and a Jockey.....as an example I would class Bowman as a champion horseman.......most are Jockeys but few are horsemen/women.....the other point re Jeff's style is that when he jumps high out of the saddle the horse actually isn't carrying any weight for a couple of strides and can surge.......I believe a great advantage to his mounts............when he comes down I don't think he is hitting the saddle as hard as it looks, he would be walking cross legged when he dismounted if he was


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