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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2016-Nov-15, 04:32 PM »
No matter what the outcome,  I think he can probably kiss the Godolphin job goodbye.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display.aspx?id=21254
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« 2016-Nov-15, 04:49 PM Reply #1 »
At least he backed what he rode but not a good look

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« 2016-Nov-15, 05:43 PM Reply #2 »
https://www.racing.com/news/2016-11-15/james-mcdonald-charged-over-astern-bet

It appears that the stewards are acting on a tip this alleged interest in a bet goes back to December 2015 .........how many other jockeys have been charged with having an interest in a bet........none........some have been found out betting themselves and have paid the penalty ....it seems that this case is different from those ...only time will tell........it seems the stewards don't have a complete brief of evidence and are continuing investigations.

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« 2016-Nov-15, 10:49 PM Reply #3 »
Could someone clarify how some of  these overseas jockeys continue to get permission to work in Australia despite totally ignoring Australian Racing Rules. Now we have the wonder kid who probably took millions off Exosphere's Sire value not to mention the South African bloodstock agent/ come jockey who simply robbed those Waller owners. It goes back as far as J Cassidy who was now "written " a book. The better read would be the bits he left out. Can't we just deport them like they do in Hong Kong a la C Munce.

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« 2016-Nov-15, 11:22 PM Reply #4 »
Racing is one of the few industries in the world that allows cheats to return back to their folds. I doubt many industries that would allow someone who betrayed a position of trust back.


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« 2016-Nov-16, 12:04 AM Reply #5 »
One must assume McDonald pissed somebody off.


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« 2016-Nov-16, 02:13 AM Reply #6 »
Or said big punter is implicated in something larger and JMac just collateral damage in an bigger investigation?  :what:

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« 2016-Nov-16, 07:38 AM Reply #7 »
There's hardly enough facts out there to be making too many judgements.

James McDonald is 24 years old, in a world few could understand.
I think Godolphin will stand right by him.

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« 2016-Nov-16, 08:59 AM Reply #8 »

James McDonald facing two-year ban


BY Adrian Dunn, Bruce Clark & Matt Kelly

14 hours ago Horse Racing




Godolphin jockey James McDonald is looking at a two-year disqualification if a Racing NSW steward’s investigation finds him guilty of having an interest in a bet on stable colt Astern in December last year.

Stewards interviewed McDonald on Tuesday relative to his association with a known punter and that punter’s betting activities.

He was subsequently charged under AR 83 that states a jockey may be penalised: “If he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race, or contingency relating to Thoroughbred racing involving a race in which he is riding.”

Racing Australia introduced a set of tougher penalties relating to what they view as serious breaches of the rules about three years ago and a breach of AR83 carries with it a mandatory two-year disqualification.

The investigation stemmed from a routine meeting between RNSW stewards and police.

“Racing NSW has a memorandum of understanding with a number of law enforcement agencies,” chief steward Marc Van Gestel told G1X.com.au.

“It was at one of these meetings that information came to light of an association McDonald had with a punter."

Van Gestel said Racing NSW is not suggesting that McDonald personally placed the bet, but he "certainly had an interest in the bet on Astern".

He said Racing NSW would need to interview a number of people, but they would be looking to deal with the matter as soon as possible

Van Gestel said he could not identify the punter allegedly involved.

But their inquiry found that led to the charge McDonald had an interest on a bet on Astern at Randwick on December 5, when it was backed in from ($4.6 into $3.50) before winning on debut.”

Astern was a heavily backed second favourite in the race winning impressively under McDonald with $1.60 favourite Regimental Force finishing third.

Van Gestel said the course of the Racing NSW inquiry could take two paths – "the investigation does not lead to any further evidence and there will be no additional charges issued or if we find additional evidence through our investigation potentially other charges may be issued against him.”

"At this point in time that is not the case," he said.

While McDonald wasn’t required to enter a plea, he did voluntarily stand himself down from riding immediately, pending the hearing of the charge.

But RNSW Stewards had already indicated they would have suspended his licence on issuing the charge “on the basis that his ongoing participation would pose an unacceptable risk to, prejudice or undermine the image, interests or integrity of racing,” they said.

Godolphin Australia chief executive Henry Plumptre revealed to G1X.com.au that he had spoken to Van Gestel but had limited knowledge of the investigation.

“Until more information comes to hand, Godolphin will not be making any comment,” Plumptre said.

McDonald was running third on the Sydney premiership with 19 wins behind Brenton Avdulla (26) but his horses have won the most stakes for any rider this season $2.9 million.

He had a relatively quiet spring carnival but won on Souchez for Godolphin on final day. Of course he and Hartnell won the Group 1 Turnbull Stakes then ran second in the Cox Plate and third in the Melbourne Cup.

G1X report throws a little more light on the issue.

Punter might not co-operate which might be the end of it ......need to refresh previous cases involving Fletcher ....Hayson close associations with jockeys for the outcomes .......and the other guy in Victoria.

Giddy Up :beer:
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« 2016-Nov-16, 09:52 AM Reply #9 »
There's hardly enough facts out there to be making too many judgements.

James McDonald is 24 years old, in a world few could understand.
I think Godolphin will stand right by him.
Perhaps but it would be unusual. They don't keep jocks with dubious activity.

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« 2016-Nov-16, 11:37 AM Reply #10 »
For the life of me I can't understand what's wrong with a Jockey betting on his/her mount.

In fact, I think it should be mandatory.



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« 2016-Nov-16, 12:49 PM Reply #11 »


I will run with JWH,

A Jockey 'has an interest' in the betting by connections, among others,  every time he rides.

How can betting on your own mount be an offence -- except perhaps if riding to win at all costs does not result in disqualification.

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« 2016-Nov-16, 07:19 PM Reply #12 »
just what the industry needs to solve its integrity issues.
And would these bets be made public?
I could think of nothing worse. It would be the beginning of the end.

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« 2016-Nov-17, 11:53 AM Reply #13 »


There could be no more serious indication of a lack of integrity than a jockey not prepared to back his mount to win.

Knowing which jockeys were not on a promise at the odds would be one way to weed out horses that should not be in the race.

Look at the low-grade fields for Saturday -- few jockeys would want their riding fee riding on winning or placing in the race.

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« 2016-Nov-17, 12:14 PM Reply #14 »
Is this looking a bit "much ado over very little"?

Jmac has had $1,000 on Astern to win $5,000 with Anthony Gardiner.

I'm sure when the two year mandatory ban was brought in, it was with the Damien Oliver case in mind.

Every week in Sydney you can find our leading trainer with his multiple runners trying to manufacture a result without a steward even blinking.

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« 2016-Nov-17, 07:50 PM Reply #15 »
Could someone clarify how some of  these overseas jockeys continue to get permission to work in Australia despite totally ignoring Australian Racing Rules. Now we have the wonder kid who probably took millions off Exosphere's Sire value not to mention the South African bloodstock agent/ come jockey who simply robbed those Waller owners. It goes back as far as J Cassidy who was now "written " a book. The better read would be the bits he left out. Can't we just deport them like they do in Hong Kong a la C Munce.


Funny how they hound a bloke for comments he made on Facebook when he saw something that smelt odd but we are forced to cop the likes of those above constantly bringing the game into disrepute  :tin:

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« 2016-Nov-17, 07:59 PM Reply #16 »

There could be no more serious indication of a lack of integrity than a jockey not prepared to back his mount to win.

Knowing which jockeys were not on a promise at the odds would be one way to weed out horses that should not be in the race.

Look at the low-grade fields for Saturday -- few jockeys would want their riding fee riding on winning or placing in the race.

So, In your world a jock can slaughter his mount. His mates can clean up and it will all be hunky dory if the jock has $50 on the mount he slaughters :bulb:

Youre bloke who sees reds under the bed constantly yet you take this stance  :lol:


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« 2016-Nov-17, 10:07 PM Reply #17 »


Jockey bet probe’s first serve to ‘Tennis Player’

 

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THE mystery Sydney punter involved in the James McDonald betting investigation goes by the nickname “the tennis player” and sometimes drives the top jockey to the races.

Racing NSW stewards have refused to divulge the identity of the punter in question but The Courier-Mail can reveal Anthony Gardiner is the man being quizzed over his relationship with Godolphin’s No. 1 jockey McDonald (pictured).

Several sources said Gardiner was a big punter who was often seen on course at Sydney racetracks.

Racing NSW stewards have charged McDonald, 24, under rule AR 83 which states, “every jockey or apprentice may be penalised – if he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race, or contingency relating to thoroughbred racing involving a race in which he is riding”.

McDonald is alleged to have had an interest in a bet on Astern, the horse he rode to win at Randwick on December 5 last year. First starter Astern firmed from $4.60-$3.50 before saluting.

Stewards are not suggesting McDonald placed the bet personally but believe he had an interest in a wager that was placed. They were informed of his association with Gardiner at a regular meeting with law enforcers recently.

There is no suggestion Gardiner has been charged or did anything wrong.

McDonald, who is yet to enter a plea but has stood down from riding pending the investigation, faces a mandatory two-year ban if he is found guilty.

Racing NSW chief steward Marc Van Gestel expects the investigation involving Mc-Donald to take “weeks rather than months”.

McDonald did not return calls yesterday, while attempts to contact Gardiner were also unsuccessful.

Jockey bet probe’s first serve to ‘Tennis Player



CM story reveals the "mystery punter" who is allegedly a close associate of McDonald.

Giddy Up :beer:


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« 2016-Nov-17, 10:26 PM Reply #18 »
JMac might not be the only jockey involved reading between the lines of this G1X report.

While Godolphin made public its support, details continue to emerge about the punter who is widely known by a sporting moniker he answers to.

G1X.com.au understands the punter has been on the Racing NSW stewards' radar for many months and stewards have spoken to jockeys about him and their involvement with him.

It is understood the punter has been known to drive jockeys to metropolitan and country racetracks as well as play golf with them and socialise with them regularly.

G1X.com.au understands that the punter was at Randwick trials on Tuesday when Racing NSW stewards whisked McDonald away to attend an inquiry. McDonald’s mobile telephone is being forensically analysed.

And, the punter was recently in Melbourne for the spring carnival.

Apart from his penchant for a sporting pursuit, flash cars and lavish lifestyle, the punter has also made himself known in the betting ring.

It’s understood McDonald has engaged a Melbourne law firm to act for him in the yet-to-be-announced stewards’ inquiry.

G1X.com.au understands it may be some time before Racing NSW stewards finalise its investigation.

It is believed investigators have a proverbial mountain of telephone intercepts to trawl through.

Victorian stewards have no knowledge of the punter.

McDonald has been charged under Rule 83 (d) which states a jockey may be penalised: “If he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race, or contingency relating to Thoroughbred racing involving a race in which he is riding.”

The 34-time Group 1-winning jockey voluntarily stood himself down from riding when told by Racing NSW stewards they were considering exercising their power under Rule 8(z) by suspending his licence on the basis that his ongoing participation would pose an unacceptable risk to, prejudice or undermine the image, interests or integrity of racing.

Racing Australia introduced a set of tougher penalties relating to what they view as serious breaches of the rules about three years ago and a breach of AR83 (d) carries with it a mandatory two-year disqualification.

Racing NSW stewards allege that McDonald had an “interest” in a bet on Astern when the horse won on debut at Randwick on December 5, 2015. Astern was backed from $4.60 to $3.50.

Racing NSW chairman of stewards Marc Van Gestel said information was gleaned from a memorandum of understanding that exists between them and law enforcement agencies.

The mandatory penalty IMO is a concern in reality this is over reaching and very bad policy........maybe the Melbourne Law Firm might find some holes in the rule should charges be sustained and legal issues argued....an interest could be grateful owners giving the jockey a sling ...not a lot of difference IMO apart from the alleged slinger in this case was a friend not a party to the training or ownership of Astern......Chris Munce's case well before this rule came in but he was in a similar position unlicensed by all jurisdictions apart from Racing NSW. :whistle:

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« 2016-Nov-18, 08:23 AM Reply #19 »
Look at he money he has earned in NSW alone since the 1st August - add to this his Victorian earnings of $2.3 million.

Jockey Name 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Prize Money Strike Rate Starts
Brenton Avdulla 42 21 34 25 18 $2,028,355.00 19.90% 211
Tim Clark 39 43 27 41 27 $2,851,875.00 14.80% 264
Rachael Murray 39 34 16 23 24 $704,042.00 17.10% 228
Mathew Cahill 37 20 16 20 15 $599,440.00 21.90% 169
Jeff Penza 35 44 40 33 19 $917,450.00 12.50% 279
Tye Angland 33 31 19 32 27 $1,364,915.00 15.20% 217
Joshua Parr 33 28 27 17 18 $1,472,335.00 17.20% 192
Aaron Bullock 30 34 31 21 14 $696,327.00 14.10% 213
Greg Ryan 30 16 16 22 13 $510,462.00 18.60% 161
Jason Collett 28 29 27½ 30 27 $1,692,117.00 12.40% 225
Ben Looker 27 27 20 31 18 $575,295.00 12.90% 209
Tommy Berry 27 25 24 29 17 $1,759,325.00 14.50% 186
James McDonald 27 22 17 11 11 $3,225,000.00 25.50% 106
Blake Shinn 27 13 20½ 19½ 28 $1,486,457.00 17.40% 155
Matthew McGuren 26 18 25 12 14 $465,580.00 17.90% 145
Mitchell Bell 26 17 21 25 24 $690,630.00 14.10% 185
Grant Buckley 24 30 34 41 26 $726,370.00 7.80% 308

He is a young millionaire and puts all this at risk for a $1,000 bet? Even if there are more bets, it seems very strange that he would even be bothered given the money he earns.

It is understood the punter has been known to drive jockeys to metropolitan and country racetracks as well as play golf with them and socialise with them regularly.

Why do they let these blokes into their lives? He'd be far better off spending spare time watching video replays of his upcoming opposition mounts and preparing riding strategies. As I've noted often, he rides a lot of poorly judged races, especially on backmarkers, and I'm regularly wondering if he hasn't done his homework.

Ironically, the state's leading jockey had similar problems of association when he first came to Sydney as a young man but a fatherly word from Ray Murrihy seems to have fixed that up.

Avdulla is now one of the nation's leading riders and a workaholic not afraid to travel around to the provincials and as we heard after he won the Oaks does his research before the races.

Maybe JMac should take a leaf out of Kerrin's book and get married and have four kids - that would reduce his "idle time"  :)

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« 2016-Nov-18, 10:23 AM Reply #20 »
There's obviously a lot more to come..... maybe we'll never know the whole story but you can bet if the charges are proved and the mandatory 2 years penalty imposed  the right of appeal will be exercised .......looking back at jockeys who have been penalised for betting offences they have all been caught putting bets on themselves either on horses they were riding or on other venues or sports .......Bobby el-Issa....Brad Stewart...Michelle Payne ...Anthony Daminin ...Michael Walker ...Blake Shinn...Peter Robl  to name a few.

Damien Oliver was the only case I can recall where he bet on another horse in a race he was riding in he got 9 months ....and that resulted in the rule under which McDonald is charged being amended to include the "interest in a bet".......as far as I know no one has ever been charged up to now under that......although it would be naïve to think there are no other associations between jockeys who tip and punters who bet.

The mandatory penalty of 2 years if convicted is ridiculously excessive  when you consider the penalties imposed for dishonesty offences eg: in the Lil Caesar secret commissions case which is a criminal offence under NSW law  no referral to police was made and the perps walked away after a6 months  stint on the sidelines and are now back in bizness.


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« 2016-Nov-18, 10:59 AM Reply #21 »
I wonder if there is a lot more to come.

Generally speaking James McDonald has obviously been guided pretty well since moving to Sydney and represents the racing industry well. 
He's cocked up here a bit for sure but at 23 yrs, who hasn't?

I'm sure Godolphin will stick, it's not like he bet against the stable but giving out stable info will no doubt come against him.

 Chris Waller's only regret since arriving in Sydney would be his failure to get Jmac as his no.1 man.
The job will always be there.
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« 2016-Nov-18, 11:33 AM Reply #22 »

I'm sure Godolphin will stick, it's not like he bet against the stable but giving out stable info will no doubt come against him.



I doubt it would "come against him" as much with this stable as it would with a stable more noted as a "betting stable".


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« 2016-Nov-18, 12:25 PM Reply #23 »
Although the moniker of "The Tennis Player" might be more appropriate at the Australian Tennis Open, I believe he is quite a player at the Call Of the Card on Cup Eve at Crown Casino,  :whistle:

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« 2016-Nov-18, 12:31 PM Reply #24 »

Jockey bet probe’s first serve to ‘Tennis Player’

 

BRAD DAVIDSON
 


THE mystery Sydney punter involved in the James McDonald betting investigation goes by the nickname “the tennis player” and sometimes drives the top jockey to the races.

Racing NSW stewards have refused to divulge the identity of the punter in question but The Courier-Mail can reveal Anthony Gardiner is the man being quizzed over his relationship with Godolphin’s No. 1 jockey McDonald (pictured).

Several sources said Gardiner was a big punter who was often seen on course at Sydney racetracks.

Racing NSW stewards have charged McDonald, 24, under rule AR 83 which states, “every jockey or apprentice may be penalised – if he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race, or contingency relating to thoroughbred racing involving a race in which he is riding”.

McDonald is alleged to have had an interest in a bet on Astern, the horse he rode to win at Randwick on December 5 last year. First starter Astern firmed from $4.60-$3.50 before saluting.

Stewards are not suggesting McDonald placed the bet personally but believe he had an interest in a wager that was placed. They were informed of his association with Gardiner at a regular meeting with law enforcers recently.

There is no suggestion Gardiner has been charged or did anything wrong.

McDonald, who is yet to enter a plea but has stood down from riding pending the investigation, faces a mandatory two-year ban if he is found guilty.

Racing NSW chief steward Marc Van Gestel expects the investigation involving Mc-Donald to take “weeks rather than months”.

McDonald did not return calls yesterday, while attempts to contact Gardiner were also unsuccessful.

Jockey bet probe’s first serve to ‘Tennis Player



CM story reveals the "mystery punter" who is allegedly a close associate of McDonald.

Giddy Up :beer:



I think the CM has foot faulted in their naming of The Tennis Player, wrong bloke, according to my mail.


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