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« 2016-Aug-14, 09:55 PM Reply #25 »
Yes I have no problems with connections replacing her either but telling her to retire and talking about it publicly.....I have a problem with that. If she wants to continue riding and is given the green light then she has every right to do so without a running commentary from all these so called experts.

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« 2016-Aug-26, 08:17 PM Reply #27 »

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« 2016-Aug-26, 09:48 PM Reply #28 »
the good news is , she admitted she is not ready to come back riding

is she going to apologize to connections ?

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« 2016-Aug-26, 10:12 PM Reply #29 »
the good news is , she admitted she is not ready to come back riding

is she going to apologize to connections ?

 :chin:

Apologize ?

They replaced her with Harry Coffey, Clearly his early races are not serious. She has no reason to apologize.


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« 2016-Aug-26, 10:37 PM Reply #30 »
Apologize ?

They replaced her with Harry Coffey, Clearly his early races are not serious. She has no reason to apologize.

now now

the last three out of four winners of this race have won the cup


we all no if this horse starts in the cup this year it will not finish top 14

she slagged off at the owners for not putting her on for this 
race

2/3 weeks later she says " I'm not ready"

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« 2016-Nov-27, 07:56 AM Reply #31 »

ATT: Michelle Payne jumps the gun with celebratory tweet
 
Brad Davidson, The Sunday Telegraph

November 26, 2016 5:41pm
 

QUEENSLAND stewards insist Michelle Payne hasn’t received a clearance to ride Husson Eagle on Magic Millions day and told the Melbourne Cup-winning jockey to delete a tweet suggesting otherwise.

Payne, who is ineligible to ride in NSW due to integrity concerns over the dual trainer/jockey licence she holds in Victoria, tweeted on Saturday: “Cleared to defend our title (Magic Millions) Sprint at the Gold Coast (in) January #sohappy.”

But Racing Queensland chief steward Allan Reardon told At The Track this was not the case.

“There is no approval and she should take it off her Twitter,” Reardon said.

“I was at Caloundra (on Friday night) and I received a call from our office saying she may be putting in an application.

“I said if that is the case we will consider it but we haven’t given her approval as of (Saturday).

“My view is we have a dual licence but they’re for people in outback Queensland to train and ride their own horses to provide a service for the industry but not for people in the metropolitan or southeast Queensland area."

Reading between the lines if Alan Reardon's opinion is the line taken by the new QRIC Michelle is likely to be denied her application....as we know she holds a trainer/jockey license in Victoria and has applied for a jockey license to ride in the MM at the Gold Coast .....if it's refused they'll need to come up with better reasons than Racing NSW has ..they refused her application on "integrity issues"....without going to the extent necessary to explain what exactly are the integrity issues ......IMO this is bureaucratic nonsense ......seeing there are dual licenses in the Bush in Qld which isn't the case in NSW.....she will have the opportunity to test any refusal at QCAT......let her ride and QRIC will get some positive rather than negative publicity.

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2016-Nov-27, 09:18 AM Reply #32 »


Will Racing Queensland add more weight to the view it is redundant?

Presented with a gift from the marketing gods, and already allowing trainers to ride when it suits RQ, will RQ allow MP to ride Husson Eagle?

Who owns the MM game -- will they be having something to say -- you bet.

MP will be allowed to ride the horse and the ball will be back in the Druitt street bunker.


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« 2016-Nov-27, 10:14 AM Reply #33 »
I must admit I have been critical of Michelle Payne in regards to some of her actions after winning the 2015 Melbourne Cup. I feel it was more of a case of "putting the mouth into gear before engaging the brain" but then again I too have been guilty of that.

I ask, are we still living in the "dark ages" with some of the Racing rules that we have too endue?

Michelle Payne now has a dual Jockey/Trainers licence that was granted to her by Racing Victoria.

Michelle is not the only one and there will be more to come but what is all the fuss about.

Very simple rules will prevent any thought of some form of skulduggery going on.

1. Only 1 horse from a Jockey/Trainer can be nominated for a race if the Jockey/Trainer is also planning to ride in the race.
2. More than 1 horse can be nominated in a race if the Jockey/Trainer is not riding any of those nominated horses.
3. A Jockey/Trainer can not take a ride in a race for another Trainer if they have 1 of their horses in that race.
4. A Jockey/Trainer is free to take rides for other stables if they do not have 1 of their own trained horses in that race.

From a legal stance why wouldn't the current NSW ban on Michelle Payne be seen as restriction of trade?

Come on Racing QLD show some guts and allow Michelle Payne to ride in QLD under the above 4 rules.

By doing so maybe the "Elite NSW crew" may follow your lead and move into the 21st century.

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« 2016-Nov-27, 10:24 AM Reply #34 »
Do Harness racing drivers also train horses ?

Are they allowed more than one horse in any one race ?

Why should it be any different for Jockeys in the Thoroughbred industry ?

How is the integrity any different ?

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« 2016-Nov-27, 11:44 AM Reply #35 »
Totally agree with you Authorized.

However in this case I think small steps first then look at the bigger picture.

Integrity is the current buzz word in racing circles and all efforts are appreciated to keep racing as honest as possible.

One only has to look at Trainers having multiple runners in races in NSW that cause enough snickering about "boat races" to realize that a Trainer/Jockey combination will be too much for some to come to grips with.

To change the minds of those in control of Racing NSW will be a monumental victory.

Small steps, small steps.

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« 2016-Nov-27, 07:58 PM Reply #36 »
Great to see Michelle train and ride the second winner at Swan Hill today (and the price was nice too !)Lucky we have those genius "integrity" people in NSW and QLD who don't allow that nonsense. It is okay to be a foreigner jockey and dupe innocent owners into flogging their horses off to Hong Kong so that this low life can rip off a commission but gee we can't have jockeys training horses or that might damage the good name of the Industry. Please !!!!!

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« 2016-Nov-29, 04:25 PM Reply #37 »
QRIC has done the right thing and approved Michelle's application to ride at the MM .......that genius Des O'Keefe has raised an irrelevant issue that he might take up one that  she can't train in QLD ...hardly likely to be her priority as she only has one horse and is based in Victoria  close to her family.

 https://www.racing.com/news/2016-11-29/michelle-payne-cleared-to-ride-in-qld


Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2016-Nov-29, 05:19 PM Reply #38 »
NSW and QLD are clearly run by dingbats.

They allow a criminal like Chris Munce to ride and then train in these states but can not bring themselves to give a 100% honest jockey a dual license.

It is clear integrity is not the issue.

Dumb arsery Pigheadedness is the issue

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« 2016-Nov-29, 05:23 PM Reply #39 »
Yep. Got it in one

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« 2016-Nov-29, 08:39 PM Reply #40 »


Please turn the lights on in the Druitt street bunker

London to a brick:

                           MP will be allowed to ride the horse and the ball will be back in the Druitt street bunker.

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« 2016-Nov-30, 08:35 AM Reply #41 »
So who undermined the opinion of the chief steward? More politics in racing up North  :what:

Queensland racing will not progress until they de-politicize the decision making process, and back their appointed operational staff, especially the Chief Steward.

Racing run by the "jingoism" of marketers.

But Racing Queensland chief steward Allan Reardon told At The Track this was not the case.

“There is no approval and she should take it off her Twitter,” Reardon said.

“I was at Caloundra (on Friday night) and I received a call from our office saying she may be putting in an application.

“I said if that is the case we will consider it but we haven’t given her approval as of (Saturday).

My view is we have a dual licence but they’re for people in outback Queensland to train and ride their own horses to provide a service for the industry but not for people in the metropolitan or southeast Queensland area."


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« 2016-Nov-30, 09:05 AM Reply #42 »
It's been reported that  the QRIC  licensing department made the decision headed by Ali Wade ...... who is also standing in as Jamie Dart's replacement as head of the Integrity unit .....while he is on leave pending investigation into something which allegedly happened before the QRIC began from July1 .......and she.... I'm assuming she's a lady..... has made the right decision....the integrity issues .......which have been raised as the barrier to allowing Michele to ride don't exist...even Terry Bailey asked to be told what they are.....and he hasn't had an answer....obviously because they can't think of any.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2016-Nov-30, 12:55 PM Reply #43 »
It's been reported that  the QRIC  licensing department made the decision headed by Ali Wade ...... who is also standing in as Jamie Dart's replacement as head of the Integrity unit .....while he is on leave pending investigation into something which allegedly happened before the QRIC began from July1 .......and she.... I'm assuming she's a lady..... has made the right decision....the integrity issues .......which have been raised as the barrier to allowing Michele to ride don't exist...even Terry Bailey asked to be told what they are.....and he hasn't had an answer....obviously because they can't think of any.

Giddy Up :beer:


Yes Ali is a lady. She is on Linked In.

She lists herself currently as - Manager - Licensing and Registrations.

She left her role as Senior Manager - Stewards and Integrity Operations in June (according to her Linked In page).

I would have thought that going from a title "Senior Manager" to simply "Manager" would be a backward career step? Not as empowering???

She is obviously more empowered than the Chief Steward.

There is some interesting text relating to her current role:

The QLD Racing Integrity Commission oversees the integrity and welfare standards of racing animals and participants.

Working in partnership with the industry to monitor racing activities, uphold the Rules of Racing, and safeguard the welfare of racing animals to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to compete on an even playing field. We’re here to contribute to the ongoing success of the racing industry in Queensland.

One of our key roles is to act as the primary enforcement agency of the Queensland Racing industry; preventing and detecting crime and upholding the Rules of Racing.

We like to think that we'll be firm, but fair. Set out the standards and penalties for participants and then let you get on with the job.


Obviously Allan got a tap on the shoulder and was told to stop getting on with his job.

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« 2016-Nov-30, 06:53 PM Reply #44 »
I don't think so PP7..... Alan got it wrong ......Ali got it right .

Alan has said he supports the decision and was part of the decision making process my guess is he was outvoted.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2016-Nov-30, 06:58 PM Reply #45 »

Who owns the Magic Millions killing fields


................................. the idea of a discretionary rule precluding the hottest girl in town riding in January may have been the subject of a phone call.

Does anyone suspect that a call was made -- any suggestions as to what was said ----- any glimmer of the real politic at all..............


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« 2016-Nov-30, 08:33 PM Reply #46 »

RNSW sets a  bureaucratic benchmark of not understanding what the people are entitled to

4  8x531039x1 HUSSON EAGLE d
5yo(G)  6  Patrick Payne Michael Dee (a) 56.5 $11.00 $11.00

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« 2016-Nov-30, 10:06 PM Reply #47 »
I don't think so PP7..... Alan got it wrong ......Ali got it right .

Alan has said he supports the decision and was part of the decision making process my guess is he was outvoted.

Giddy Up :beer:


So who is voting?

I am struggling to see anything in Ms Jade's resume that leads me to believe she can make an informed decision about an operational matter regarding Queensland Racing that would be better than that of Reardon. 

Advanced Excel courses are all well and good but do they teach you about racing?

Who else is voting? Do they have any racing experience or is this all about empowering "the chosen ones".

You look at what is going on up North, then you look South, and then you just shake your head  :no:

Empowerment.

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« 2016-Dec-01, 07:23 AM Reply #48 »


The 'explanation' tendered by RNSW -- a trainer in the jockeys room -- does not cut it.

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« 2016-Dec-01, 09:12 AM Reply #49 »
Good Lord , It has happened . I find myself in full agreement with P Mair. What the heck has a trainer in the jockeys room got to do with Integrity. Wake up NSW it happens at the trots in your drivers' rooms every day. This is just plain old fashioned stupidity. Terry Bailey got it one hundred percent correct.


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