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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2018-Apr-25, 06:04 PM »
Given 15 months by HKJC stewards for having an interest in a couple of bets.

Contrast with 21 day penalty handed out to incompetent or cheating Paul Townend at Punchestown.

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« 2018-Apr-25, 06:15 PM Reply #1 »
Bloke on After The Last is saying the charge is exactly the same as what Chris Munce was charged with.


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« 2018-Apr-25, 06:15 PM Reply #2 »
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The Stewards late yesterday afternoon opened an inquiry into a report provided by the Club’s Security and Integrity Department relative to an interview conducted by them at the direction of the Chief Stipendiary Steward with licensed Club Jockey N Rawiller earlier that day.  The Stewards interviewed N Rawiller in respect of this matter.  Evidence was also taken from Security personnel.  This inquiry was adjourned last night and reconvened this morning.

At today’s hearing, N Rawiller was charged with having breached Rule of Racing 59 (2) and (3).

             Rule of Racing 59 (2) states:-

“No jockey shall:-

Accept or agree to any pecuniary or other gift or other consideration in connection with any race in which he rides or is to ride except from the nominator of the horse he rides or is to ride in such race without the consent of such nominator.”

The particulars of this charge being that whilst licensed as a Jockey by The Hong Kong Jockey Club he did, on two occasions, accept pecuniary or other gifts or other considerations for providing tips in respect of horses he rode.

            Rule of Racing 59 (3) states:-

“No jockey shall:-

Bet or facilitate the making of a bet or have any interest in a bet on any race or any contingency relating to a race meeting.”

The particulars of this charge being that on diverse occasions whilst licensed as a Jockey by The Hong Kong Jockey Club he did have an interest in bets on horses which he rode at race meetings conducted by the Club, such bets being facilitated by people known to him.

N Rawiller informed the Stewards that he did not wish to enter a plea to the charges.  The Stewards therefore proceeded on the basis of a not-guilty plea being entered by N Rawiller and he was asked to present a defence to the charges.

After having considered all of the evidence tendered at the inquiry, which included admissions made by N Rawiller, the Stewards believed that the charges as issued of having breached Rule 59 (2) and (3) should be sustained and accordingly N Rawiller was found guilty of both charges.

In deciding the matter of penalty in respect of the two charges, the Stewards took into consideration that it is fundamental to the integrity of racing that Jockeys are not permitted to bet or to have an interest in a bet and that the provision of tips by licensed Jockeys and any resultant pecuniary or other gifts or other considerations being provided to a Jockey by other than the owner(s) of a horse is strictly prohibited.  In mitigation, the Stewards also took into consideration, amongst other relevant matters, that N Rawiller had at all times co-operated fully with the interview and inquiry and that he had been forthright in his evidence.

In the circumstances, the Stewards determined that the appropriate penalty for breaching Rule 59 (2) was a period of disqualification from racing for fifteen (15) months.  The Stewards also determined that the appropriate penalty for breaching Rule 59 (3) was a period of disqualification from racing for fifteen (15) months.  The Stewards ruled that the two periods of disqualification be served concurrently and that the commencement of each period of disqualification is with immediate effect.  N Rawiller is therefore disqualified for a total period of fifteen (15) months to expire on 25 July 2019.

There was no evidence before the Stewards that N Rawiller had ridden any horse in Hong Kong with the intention other than to obtain the best possible placing for the horse.  Further, the evidence before the Stewards was that N Rawiller had only tipped horses ridden by him and never horses he had ridden against.

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« 2018-Apr-25, 07:21 PM Reply #3 »
They can't help themselves these clowns can they ?  You would reckon in view of past experiences with their contemporaries the "penny may have dropped". Alas seems beyond the scope of their grey matter. And this is in respect of a jockey whose mounts have earned in excess of $58,000,000 HK for the current season. So he is hardly on "Struggle Street".

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« 2018-Apr-25, 08:06 PM Reply #4 »
I wonder if Vlandys will jump in and help him out when he returns to Australia, similar to Munce.

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« 2018-Apr-25, 09:06 PM Reply #5 »
The Hong Kong stewards must be getting soft.

Chris Munce was given 2.5 years in jail for the same offence. Most at the time considered it too harsh although some people seem to have forgotten and think he got some sort of free ride

https://www.foxsports.com.au/horse-racing/chris-munce-re-lives-hell-in-hong-kong/story-e6frf41l-1111118226686?sv=c634177ca28620550635422ea1095187

He was thrown into a jail cell with 30 other inmates, sleeping two to a bed on hard, wooden boards, immersed in Hong Kong's oppressive, suffocating heat. What made the conditions even more insufferable was the total lack of privacy.

"I never got one minute of free time to myself," Munce revealed.

"At night, you were always in a group of up to 30 blokes in a dormitory-style situation.

"There was no beds, no mattresses. We slept on a piece of wood, like a table. The toilets were the old, hole-in-the-ground toilets and there was no privacy at all.

"Then during the day, we spent a lot of time in what they called dining halls. Hundreds of blokes in there at a time."




I wonder if Vlandys will jump in and help him out when he returns to Australia, similar to Munce.

Jockey's licensing matters are determined by the stewards. I doubt very much if PVL "jumped in"   :lol:

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« 2018-Apr-25, 10:21 PM Reply #6 »
Yes so sorry for little "Chrissy " .He broke the laws of a foreign Country where he was invited to ply his trade. He got everything he deserved.

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« 2018-Apr-26, 12:14 AM Reply #7 »
The Hong Kong stewards must be getting soft.

Chris Munce was given 2.5 years in jail for the same offence. Most at the time considered it too harsh although some people seem to have forgotten and think he got some sort of free ride



Not sure that is the Stewards job. That could still be coming.


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« 2018-Apr-26, 12:31 AM Reply #8 »
Yes so sorry for little "Chrissy " .He broke the laws of a foreign Country where he was invited to ply his trade. He got everything he deserved.

You honestly believe what you say  :what:

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« 2018-Apr-26, 07:24 AM Reply #9 »
Of course . If you do business in a foreign Country then it surely is a given that you abide by the laws of that Country. If you decide to break their laws , then naturally you must suffer what they decide are the consequences of your actions. It is pretty straightforward. Packers men found out the same thing in China not long ago.

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« 2018-Apr-26, 07:41 AM Reply #10 »
When the HKJC say the word "integrity" that is exactly what the strive for.

Integrity around racing in this country has just become a meaningless word as it has in most walks of life.

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« 2018-Apr-26, 07:51 AM Reply #11 »
Hard to disagree with the Gun . .

While some may think that CM was harshly done by, punishments are meant to be deterrents

Since the Munce punishment did not deter Rawiller, it surprises me that he was treated so 'leniently'

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« 2018-Apr-26, 08:13 AM Reply #12 »
Does anyone have the record of exactly what Munce did?


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« 2018-Apr-26, 09:41 AM Reply #13 »
Nash Rawiller banned for 15 months for betting-related offences in Hong Kong
Michael Manley, Herald Sun
April 25, 2018 7:34pm
STAR jockey Nash Rawiller’s successful four-year stint in Hong Kong has ended in ignominy, with the heavyweight hoop sensationally disqualified for 15 months.

The career of the 43-year-old Victorian is at the crossroads as he now cannot ride in any jurisdiction around the globe.

Rawiller, who is third in this season’s Hong Kong jockeys’ premiership and has ridden more than 100 winners since arriving in 2014, was found guilty of two charges of accepting pecuniary or other gifts or other considerations for providing tips in respect of horses he rode.


Nash Rawiller has been disqualified from riding until July 2019. Pictu AFP

Rawiller, a three-time Sydney premiership-winning jockey, was charged on Tuesday and did not enter a plea, which the Hong Kong Jockey Club stewards took as a plea of not guilty.

The stewards stressed that there was no evidence to suggest Rawiller had ridden “any horse in Hong Kong with the intention other than to obtain the best possible placing for the horse”.

They also said Rawiller, 43, had only tipped horses ridden by him and never horses he had ridden against. They found him guilty of the two charges, but ruled he could serve his disqualifications concurrently. His ban will expire on July 25, 2019.

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Rawiller has ridden 40 winners this season from 324 rides and was third behind Joao Moreira and Zac Purton. His mounts had earned $HK58,466,990 ($9.85m) in prizemoney.

He hails from a well-known Bendigo racing family.

His father Keith was a jumps jockey, his brother Brad is a successful rider, and sister Stacy is also a jockey.

Rawiller is best known for his association with star galloper Elvstroem, on whom he won the 2004 Caulfield Cup and the Dubai Duty Free in 2005. He moved to Sydney in 2007 and partnered with Gai Waterhouse, riding stars such as Pierro and More Joyous.

He won three Sydney premierships in 2009-2010, 2010-2011, 2012-2013 and has booted home more than 50 Group 1 winners.

Hong Kong Jockey Club executive Andrew Harding said the club made no apologies for the tough ban. “(We have an) unwavering resolve to ensure the highest standards of the integrity in Hong Kong racing,” he said.

Originally published as Rawiller banned for betting offences

Very strict rules in Honkers but how many have been caught Rawiller and Munce both Aussies hard to believe knowing the Chinese gamblers addiction that punters don't have connections to other big name jockeys......be interesting to hear how the HKJC discovered Rawliller's little sideline...wouldn't happen here would it Bobby ElIssa connect with Fletcher and how many others James McDonald .

If he has the opportunity get the next flight home before the ICAC knocks on his door .


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« 2018-Apr-26, 10:07 AM Reply #14 »
he was detained at the airport last night .

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« 2018-Apr-26, 10:22 AM Reply #15 »
he was detained at the airport last night .

Well that will obviously make some people here happy.

So he gave out a tip and took a sling.

Geez they sure don't do that round these parts  :wacko:

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« 2018-Apr-26, 01:31 PM Reply #16 »
Geez they sure don't do that round these parts  :wacko:

Irrelevent  :whistle:

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« 2018-Apr-26, 04:47 PM Reply #17 »
We are not talking about "these parts "

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« 2018-Apr-27, 08:02 PM Reply #18 »
Disqualified Australian jockey Nash Rawiller has been released from custody in Hong Kong but it is yet to be announced whether he will face charges from the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

Rawiller was photographed on Friday by local press leaving ICAC headquarters in North Point at around 2.30pm, nearly 48 hours after he was detained at Hong Kong International Airport.

The Hong Kong Jockey Club banned Rawiller for 15 months on Wednesday after finding the 43-year-old guilty of receiving gifts or money in exchange for race tips.

Top Australian jockey Nash Rawiller banned for betting offences by Hong Kong Jockey Club

The ban was the longest given by the Jockey Club since Australian jockey Chris Munce was suspended for 30 months and jailed over the “tips for bets” affair in 2008.

Munce also served 20 months in jail after the ICAC found him guilty of taking bribes.

The Jockey Club said it would not comment on specifics of the case and the ICAC has yet to release a statement.

Rawiller’s mother, Elaine, went into ICAC headquarters around 30 minutes before his release and left in a car.

 
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Rawiller was charged with having breached Rule of Racing 59 (2) and (3). He did not enter a plea.

On the first charge, Rawiller was found to have accepted on two occasions pecuniary or other gifts or other considerations for providing tips on horses he rode.

On the second charge, he was found to have on diverse occasions had an interest in bets on horses, with those bets being facilitated by people known to him.

“After having considered all of the evidence tendered by the inquiry, which included submissions made by Nash Rawiller, the stewards believed the charges as issued should be sustained and Nash Rawiller was found guilty of both charges,” the Jockey Club said in a statement.

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Still to be determined if he will face criminal charges as Chris Munce did....and here's a refresher on the Munce case quite some differences it appears from Rawiller's predicament.
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Jockey undermined integrity of racing in HK, says judge

A District Court judge jailed champion jockey Christopher Munce for 21/2 years yesterday after convicting him of trading racing tips with a businessman in return for bets from which he netted nearly HK$1 million in winnings.

Munce, 37, an Australian, is the first jockey to be jailed in Hong Kong for giving tips for bets on horses he was riding.

Judge Kevin Browne found Munce guilty of one count of conspiracy to accept an advantage. The judge ordered the confiscation of a mobile phone and HK$250,000 in cash found in Munce's jeans when he was arrested by Independent Commission Against Corruption officers outside a Kowloon hotel on July 3 after meeting businessman Andy Lau Wai-ching.

Passing sentence, Judge Browne said Munce had breached the 'high degree of trust' required of him and had severely undermined public confidence in the integrity of horse racing in Hong Kong.

Munce's tips were of a high quality, with a success rate of 72 per cent, the judge said. The jockey had tipped horses he rode in 36 races, of which 18 had won and eight were placed.

Munce - barred by Jockey Club rules from placing bets - had pleaded not guilty, denying he conspired with Mr Lau, businessman Dinesh Kumar Daswani and Daswani's uncle Kamal Govindram Daswaney to carry out the betting scam between December 3, 2005, and July 2. Both Mr Daswani and Mr Daswaney testified under immunity. Prosecuting counsel John Dunn had said earlier that the betting arrangement involved Mr Lau placing bets on behalf of Munce, who would receive winnings for supplying tips and riding his mounts to produce the desired outcome.

Mr Daswani, a middleman for Mr Lau and Munce, said about HK$800,000 was paid to the jockey. Mr Daswani had arranged to pass on tips to Mr Lau and took a 30 per cent commission on winnings. The prosecution said Mr Daswaney placed bets for Munce after Mr Lau cut Mr Daswani out of the deal.

Judge Browne said telephone records showed frequent contacts between Munce, Mr Lau and Mr Daswani, and tape recordings of their meetings had proved the rider's involvement in the scam. Munce had used 'trade secrets' to get financial interest from his mounts, the judge said.

Defence barrister John McNamara argued in mitigation that Munce had obtained money by riding race horses to win, not to lose.

'[Munce] did not commit a criminal offence, he only offended the club's regulations by betting on his own mounts,' he said, adding the club had taken no disciplinary action. The Jockey Club said a stewards' inquiry into Munce's arrest in July had been adjourned because of the court proceedings and that the probe would now continue 'at a date and time to be fixed'.

The affair is not the first to rock Hong Kong racing. In 1986, the sport was rocked by its biggest race-fixing scandal, orchestrated by textiles tycoon Yang Yuan-loong. Australian jockey David Brosnan and four local riders were jailed for 18 months for conspiring to cheat the public at gaming.ENDs

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« 2018-Apr-27, 08:18 PM Reply #19 »
State-of-the-art technology and a US$50b betting exchange: how Hong Kong Jockey Club caught Nash Rawiller in ‘tips for gifts’ web
Officials say 15-month suspension for top Australian jockey sends a loud and clear message to would-be offenders

by Michael Coxon Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:05 PM

Hong Kong Jockey Club officials say state-of-the-art systems used to monitor betting patterns helped uncover evidence that led to the charges against banned Australian jockey Nash Rawiller.

On Wednesday, Rawiller was disqualified immediately for 15 months for receiving money or gifts in return for tips and may face further criminal action.

The Jockey Club has developed technology to gather data for illegal gambling sites and employs a stipendiary steward whose job is to watch for suspicious betting patterns.

“People should know we have an extremely vigorous system and that we can uncover things that perhaps others can’t,” Jockey Club chief executive Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges said.

“We monitor markets, both legal and illegal, in Hong Kong and around the world, and we have a dedicated team that does that.


Hong Kong Jockey Club chief executive Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges says analysis of markets, both legal and those overseas, helped identify a pattern.

“We can use the data we find to be more specific in investigations and we identified this as a significant case.

“The analysis we do of markets, both legal and those overseas, helped us identify a pattern. We had sufficient evidence we could start the investigation.”

 

The major illegal market Jockey Club monitors is CITIbet, a largely unregulated agent-based exchange on which account holders can essentially bet on horses to lose.

One year ago Jockey Club officials estimated CITIbet held US$50 billion on racing annually – with its largest market Hong Kong – and identified the biggest area of growth for the exchange’s customer base to be the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, where gambling is illegal.

The Jockey Club release after Rawiller was charged stated there was no suggestion the jockey had bet or tipped against his own rides.

State-of-the-art monitoring systems were used to uncover evidence that led to the charges against Nash Rawiller.
State-of-the-art monitoring systems were used to uncover evidence that led to the charges against Nash Rawiller.

Jockey Club executive director of racing Andrew Harding said the charges not only showed how sophisticated the Jockey Club’s monitoring systems are but how heavy the penalties can be for those who offend.

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“The club’s systems for ensuring integrity in racing are highly effective. The club has very robust systems in place and expert resources to uphold integrity and detect breaches of the rules,” he said. “They are being continuously improved and one of the significant enhancements in recent years has been the capacity to do betting data analysis.

Top Australian jockey Nash Rawiller banned for betting offences by Hong Kong Jockey Club

“What the developments also illustrate is that if somebody is going to take a risk and break the rules then they will get caught.

“Fifteen months disqualification is a very heavy penalty but it says loudly and clearly that the club has a zero tolerance for conduct of this nature.

“The strong and decisive action the club took demonstrates that the club will always do everything necessary to uphold the integrity of racing in Hong Kong.”ENDS

Knowing the scrutiny on betting and the prohibition on jockeys tipping Rawiller made a serious mistake...and no details as to how much he gained ......the difference  In Munce's case is that possibly the commission agent got dirty losing his inflated 30% commission and grassed him up......whereas they were on to Rawiller watching him for some time according to local news hound.

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« 2018-Apr-27, 08:48 PM Reply #20 »
Without bothering to have read everything was he guilty of accepting gifts or placing bets?

If the latter, he’s a moron

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« 2018-Apr-28, 09:41 AM Reply #21 »
Without bothering to have read everything was he guilty of accepting gifts or placing bets?

If the latter, he’s a moron

Read this  Wily.........Rawiller, who is third in this season’s Hong Kong jockeys’ premiership and has ridden more than 100 winners since arriving in 2014, was found guilty of two charges of accepting pecuniary or other gifts or other considerations for providing tips in respect of horses he rode.

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« 2018-Apr-28, 03:13 PM Reply #22 »
State-of-the-art technology and a US$50b betting exchange: how Hong Kong Jockey Club caught Nash Rawiller in ‘tips for gifts’ web



The major illegal market Jockey Club monitors is CITIbet, a largely unregulated agent-based exchange on which account holders can essentially bet on horses to lose.



Surely the journalists who write this dross should be educated enough by now to understand what a betting exchange is?  :wacko:

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« 2018-Apr-30, 07:36 AM Reply #23 »
Based on the fact that, whenever you read an article in a newspaper, on a subject about which you have a reasonable knowledge, you find that the article is flawed . .

Newspapers must be full of   :censored:

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« 2018-May-01, 10:09 AM Reply #24 »
Stranded Rawiller faces toughest of penalties for betting in Hong Kong
By Chris Roots29 April 2018 — 4:12pm

Nash Rawiller faces an anxious wait to find out if he will face criminal charges from the Hong Kong ICAC after reportedly having to surrender his passport.

Rawiller was disqualified on Wednesday for 15 months by Hong Kong Jockey Club stewards over betting offences. The penalty is lenient by modern Australian standards, but the 43-year-old is   facing the real threat of jail time, which most would consider excessive.

Jockeys in Hong Kong are well aware of the laws about tipping, which saw Australian  jockey Chris Munce spend 20 months in jail in 2007.

There is no doubt  Rawiller would have known what he was risking when he became mixed up in the current betting scandal, and this will serve as a warning to all jockey in Hong Kong.

Rawiller was detained at Hong Kong airport on Wednesday night as he attempted to return to Australia and spent two days in custody being questioned by the ICAC.

He was released without charge but must stay in Hong Kong while the investigation continues.
Australia strengthened its betting rules after Damien Oliver was only given a nine-month ban in 2012 for having a $10,000 bet on another horse in a race in which he was riding.
That offence now carries a two-year mandatory disqualification.
The Oliver penalty was completely inadequate when compared to the 18 months James McDonald was given under the new rules for a having $1000 bet on a horse he was riding, the subsequent group 1 winner Astern, when it won on debut in 2015 .
McDonald was charged under a similar rule to Rawiller and got three months more on sidelines even after he was given a six-month dispensation for cooperating with stewards.
Australia might have the most severe rules when it comes to jockey betting, but it doesn’t compare to the penalty Rawiller faces of a Hong Kong jail cell.ENDS

Apparently he's required to remain inHonkers until July seems an excessive delay in the light of the facts disclosed to date.


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