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Offline louotter

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O.P. « 2017-Apr-03, 12:40 PM »
Hi
I purchased these 14 sets of silks from Leilani Lodge and I'm wanting to know if any are recognizable I know they are all race worn but no idea if any where on any good ones.
One had Tony Gordon on the tag and one says Meteoric Way J.B.C ( Bart cummings)  all are from Mittys , some a bit earlier as they are in 9 Queen St, then others are 200 something and one is Mittys World of Sport triangle tag at back.
Thanks
(these are being used in fundraisers, so if any can be attributed to a horse it would be great)


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« 2017-Apr-03, 10:21 PM Reply #1 »
I don't recognise any of the colours shown and I don't think any were from any significant horse that I recall.

Others may be able to help identify one or two but no top liners.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2017-Apr-03, 10:41 PM Reply #2 »
Those green and white diagonals are ringing a bell but I can't place any of them.

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« 2017-Apr-03, 10:48 PM Reply #3 »
get in touch with Malcolm Johnston-pretty good memory as far as colours go.

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« 2017-Apr-04, 02:12 PM Reply #4 »
The pale blue and yellow checks were worn by Mannerism who won a somewhat famous Caulfield Cup

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« 2017-Apr-04, 10:50 PM Reply #5 »
Excellent Antitab



raced by Barrie and Midge Griffiths.

XCVurrently being carried by Heatherly and Creativity
« Last Edit: 2017-Apr-04, 10:55 PM by tontonan »

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« 2017-Apr-04, 11:29 PM Reply #6 »
The pale blue and yellow checks were worn by Mannerism who won a somewhat famous Caulfield Cup

Awesome work! A few do look very familiar but can't quite place them.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 07:53 AM Reply #7 »
That No1- Blue with the green sash looks familiar :chin:


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« 2017-Apr-05, 08:58 AM Reply #8 »
Would suggest sending it out on Twitter, lots of racing people there someone will recognise them.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 09:49 AM Reply #9 »
Thanks All.
I don't know if it helps to age but a lot are like a cloth and only one or two are actual silk.
James Cummings has provided a letter of authenticity for all of them that they are from the Lodge. Apart from those two bits of writing there inst anything else.
Does anyone have Malcom's email?

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« 2017-Apr-05, 10:20 AM Reply #10 »
Lou,

This document is from Racing NSW.  I would imagine other principal racing authorities keep similar lists.  It might help you identify owners rather than horses....

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/site/_content/document/00000075-source.pdf

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« 2017-Apr-05, 12:48 PM Reply #11 »
Lou

I suppose you've tried but couldn't the Cummings help?


 


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« 2017-Apr-05, 02:15 PM Reply #12 »
Louotter, mate I thought I was okay with colours but other than Mannerism's colours I'm stumped.

You mentioned that some of the colours were cloth not silk.

These could actually be colours that Bart's dad Jim had back in the early 1900's.

I'm certain I read somewhere that the Cummings family came from Alice Springs in 1910 and settled in Adelaide.

These cloth colours may well have been Jim Cummings colours that he used in the early days in Adelaide.

I think Anthony Cummings will be you best chance to answer your questions.

Good luck.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 03:05 PM Reply #13 »
Not to be a nark but didn't the Freedman's train Mannerism?   :what:

So you may need to find horses that ownership had with Cummings  :chin:

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« 2017-Apr-05, 03:46 PM Reply #14 »
The colours belong to the owners not the stable.  Owners can have horses with many stables. 

Currently the Griffiths have horses with Ellerton and Zahra and race in the Mannerism colours.

Also those colours are old.  They probably belonged to someone else before the Griffiths.  They may have been in the family for generations or they could have taken them on.

I don't think anyone is suggesting these particular silks were ever worn by Mannerisms jockey, just that they are identical to the colours carried by Mannerism.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 11:07 PM Reply #15 »
Louotter, mate I thought I was okay with colours but other than Mannerism's colours I'm stumped.

You mentioned that some of the colours were cloth not silk.

These could actually be colours that Bart's dad Jim had back in the early 1900's.

I'm certain I read somewhere that the Cummings family came from Alice Springs in 1910 and settled in Adelaide.

These cloth colours may well have been Jim Cummings colours that he used in the early days in Adelaide.

I think Anthony Cummings will be you best chance to answer your questions.

Good luck.

When I say cloth I mean its like  see through, but I don't think its that old . I work at the Wagga Gold Cup every year and have met  some  high prof current jockeys but know nothing about silks. I  do remember though that the jockeys always came out and handed them to blokes outside the change room. So I think that's right the colors belong to the owners as because as soon as they got them in their hands they went off and sometimes even called taxis to get to the airport to go home themselves ( Tom Berry) .

I didn't want to ask  as I thought that might be a something they wouldn't know. (due to them just being sold as race worn & having a fair few) But I will ask the worker I dealt with in purchasing. I think they had about 52 sets they sold all up and there were some more familiar that were snapped up straight away by someone else. These are prob obsolete silks and something to do with the death of Bart an the  Anthony & James partnership now.


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« 2017-Apr-05, 11:09 PM Reply #16 »
Lou,

This document is from Racing NSW.  I would imagine other principal racing authorities keep similar lists.  It might help you identify owners rather than horses....

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/site/_content/document/00000075-source.pdf
Cheers :thumbsup:

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« 2017-Apr-06, 08:41 PM Reply #17 »
The checks which are opined to be the same as used on Mannerism are Grey and Gold or Yellow they're  nothing like the Blue and Gold or Yellow on Mannerism .

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2017-Apr-06, 10:51 PM Reply #18 »
The checks which are opined to be the same as used on Mannerism are Grey and Gold or Yellow they're  nothing like the Blue and Gold or Yellow on Mannerism .

Giddy Up :beer:


I will give the benefit of the doubt that they are in fact the same colours that Mannerism also raced in (not the same set however).

For their age I believe they may well have faded a little.

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« 2017-Apr-07, 09:36 AM Reply #19 »
Off you go to Spec Savers Mort  :lol:

It looks  that the checks are also on the sleeves as well as the body of the jacket......not like Mannerism's but what's it matter.


Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2017-Apr-07, 09:50 AM Reply #20 »
Off you go to Spec Savers Mort   :lol:  

It looks  that the checks are also on the sleeves as well as the body of the jacket......not like Mannerism's but what's it matter.


Giddy Up :beer:


You may be right Arsenal.

Well off to OPSM they have specials on at the moment.

If I keep this up I will more than likely end up watching the next series of MAFS like you...................LOL

Have a good weekend.

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« 2017-Apr-07, 11:19 AM Reply #21 »
Off you go to Spec Savers Mort   :lol:  

It looks  that the checks are also on the sleeves as well as the body of the jacket......not like Mannerism's but what's it matter.


Giddy Up :beer:




The colour of the sleeve was one of the first things I checked.    Lou will be able to confirm :  Are the sleeves light blue or checked ?

The picture of Mannerism above sees her jockey in the poofy lycra silks that were fashionable at the time.  The colour is more saturated.  The checks on Lou's silks look to be stitched which also suggests their age.





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« 2017-Apr-07, 04:48 PM Reply #22 »
Reckon there is only one who needs Spec Savers  :whistle: and it ain't Morts.  :nowink:

Not a chance that is grey.

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« 2017-Apr-08, 10:10 PM Reply #23 »

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The colour of the sleeve was one of the first things I checked.    Lou will be able to confirm :  Are the sleeves light blue or checked ?

The picture of Mannerism above sees her jockey in the poofy lycra silks that were fashionable at the time.  The colour is more saturated.  The checks on Lou's silks look to be stitched which also suggests their age.



Sorry for late reply.
The sleeves are full color, no checks. The silks are a shiny non natural material but the checkered  yellow squares were stitched on separately to create the design.





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