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Offline louotter

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O.P. « 2017-Mar-08, 08:47 PM »
Soo I have a problem with buying a lot of pictures mainly as there done by Tony Simon but sometimes just because their cheap.
I'm trying to work out who this jockey is?
Could be 50's?
Paul Percivil photographer business card stuck to back. Googled and couldn't find anything or on trove. Asked a few old timer phogs and they had no idea either.
thanks
Also, anyone know much about Riflete? By Carbine & Ravenswing? Brought this old as the hills picture fading so badly. As the Carbine connection, apparently seller brought from the granddaughter of man in photograph Mr.H.W Lees








Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2017-Mar-09, 12:28 AM Reply #1 »
There is  no stud book entry for Riflete. Three is an 1885 mare called Ravenswing and she had an 1894 chestnut filly called Raven's Plume by Carbine. But the only other named horse was Ich Dien (by St. George). Both horses were stakes winners which is maybe why they are the only two to appear.

It is quite possible that Ravenswing did have offspring called Riflete but it is not in the stud book which would not be surprising if it didn't win a stakes race where the results are recorded. The fact that Ravenswing did get sent to Carbine suggests this may the the case.

The breeding records around Ravenswing suggest she may have been sent to Australia from NZ in the early 1890's.

As for the mysterious #11 in the black and gold colours.

I'm trying to work out the track.

The only track in Sydney that has a hill in the background like that is Randwick, but I don't think there were ever any houses in the concentration we see to the back right of the photo. Think it has always been urban bushland. The Brisbane tracks are pretty flat also so I'd be betting this is somewhere other than Sydney or Brisbane.

If it was a Melbourne Cup, the #11 that would fit the bill would be Toporoa in 1955, but he raced in blue with orange stars and armbands.


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« 2017-Mar-09, 04:54 AM Reply #2 »
pedigreequery.com lists Rifelite as the 1895 son of Carbine (NZ) and Ravenswing (NZ) bred in NSW by Mrs. James White. 

Ravenswing won the 1889 Great Autumn Handicap at Riccarton Park in New Zealand and had foaled Ich Dien (wh won a Canterbury Oaks) in New Zealand before being exported across the Tasman.

Tampion is listed as being foaled by Ravenswing to Carbine in 1893 and the breeder is given as Donald Wallace, Carbine's owner and stud master in Victoria.   Raven's Plume was foaled in 1894 and won the Newcastle Cup in 1898. A high class mare Raven's Plume was later sent to Britain and won a Welter at The Curragh.
 
Rifleite was foaled in 1895.

To my knowledge Carbine only stood in Victoria, mainly at the stud established for him at Bacchus Marsh.  Perhaps Ravenswing belonged to Mrs White and was sent to Victoria to be served by Carbine.

In 1903 the Referee noted that Rifleite had sired a colt from the Beauchamp mare Overdue at Gladstone Park so he must have had some sort of stud career although pedigreequery only details two of his off spring, Rifle Boy (1905) out of Advance, and the filly Merit (1908) out of the mare Brown Rose.  Merit was sent to Japan in 1913.

It appears that Riflelite did much of his racing around Gladstonen NSW where he had a good reputation but he was in training in Sydney as a youngster and was entered for the Caulfield Cup before scratching.  The press reports refer to the owner as HW LEE .

Rifleite was well regarded as both a racehorse and a sire in the Macleay River district.

It was reported in the Macleay Chronicle (Kempsey) of 5 August 1909 that

" The bloodhorse Rifleite was found
in his stable at the rear of Mr. Thomas
Dunn's residence, West Kempsey, on
Thursday morning last with one of his
hind legs broken, and he had to be
destroyed. The loss is a very severe
one to Mr. Dunn, as he only recently
purchased the horse from Mr. H. W. T.
Lee. ,

Rifleite was by Carbine from
Ravenswing, and was very successful
at the stud, in his time siring many
winners, including Rifle King, Sir
Harry, Little Sister, Lady Rifleite,
Rifleman, Rifle Boy, Schultz, Lucy,
Flaugh-a-ballagh, Kempsey, Paddy, and
many others. Rifleite was insured in
the New Zealand Insurance Coy."



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« 2017-Mar-09, 09:42 PM Reply #3 »

[/quote]
It was reported in the Macleay Chronicle (Kempsey) of 5 August 1909 that

" The bloodhorse Rifleite was found
in his stable at the rear of Mr. Thomas
Dunn's residence, West Kempsey, on
Thursday morning last with one of his
hind legs broken, and he had to be
destroyed. The loss is a very severe
one to Mr. Dunn, as he only recently
purchased the horse from Mr. H. W. T.
Lee. ,

Rifleite was by Carbine from
Ravenswing, and was very successful
at the stud, in his time siring many
winners, including Rifle King, Sir
Harry, Little Sister, Lady Rifleite,
Rifleman, Rifle Boy, Schultz, Lucy,
Flaugh-a-ballagh, Kempsey, Paddy, and
many others. Rifleite was insured in
the New Zealand Insurance Coy."
[/quote]

I guess this picture would have to be fairly early . I'm trying to work out how to preserve it or atleast get a copy made as I fear it wont last much longer.


As for the mysterious #11 in the black and gold colours.

I'm trying to work out the track.

The only track in Sydney that has a hill in the background like that is Randwick, but I don't think there were ever any houses in the concentration we see to the back right of the photo. Think it has always been urban bushland. The Brisbane tracks are pretty flat also so I'd be betting this is somewhere other than Sydney or Brisbane.

If it was a Melbourne Cup, the #11 that would fit the bill would be Toporoa in 1955, but he raced in blue with orange stars and armbands.



Has me stumped too. I asked Bruce Postle and Clive McKinnon about the photographers name and neither had heard of him. Might have another look on trove etc


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