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Offline Wenona

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« 2018-Jul-14, 04:22 PM Reply #1950 »
Well not apprentice A Kajiya in the first at Cowra today.   :o
 

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« 2018-Jul-14, 05:26 PM Reply #1951 »
Well not apprentice A Kajiya in the first at Cowra today.   :o

How about we get rid of saddles as well as whips and have bareback racing - very entertaining   :lol:




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« 2018-Jul-14, 06:12 PM Reply #1952 »
He better get a decent sling.   emthup

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« 2018-Jul-15, 09:39 AM Reply #1953 »
Thornton defends his race tactics
NATHAN EXELBY
 
GRILLED: Boris Thornton. SM story
OPINIONS were divided after $1.40 pop Privlaka went under in the opener on the Caloundra card after failing to reel in Little Dabl Doya.
In the field of six, Privlaka settled in the back half and found himself in among horses approaching the turn.
Apprentice Boris Thornton persevered for runs inside those horses before aborting and coming to the outside just past the 300m mark.
Social media went into overdrive on the merits of the ride, but Thornton defended himself on dismounting.
“I still thought I had time to pick them up,” Thornton said.
Part-owner Chris Lord was diplomatic, saying Privlaka at his best would have reeled in the leaders and that he may have had enough this campaign, with trainer Rob Heathcote likely to order a spell.
Stewards questioned Thornton on the ride and accepted his explanation as to why he didn’t get to the outside earlier.ENDS

The not blameworthy excuse accepted by the panel ...poor decisions are held to be not culpable ...thanks to the late Tom Hughes QC who trotted this out in the Munce case years ago it's now almost "black letter law" in racing.

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« 2018-Jul-21, 07:11 PM Reply #1954 »
TUMBLER – Apprentice C. Bayliss pleaded guilty to a charge under AR. 135(b) of failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that his horse was given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field. The particulars of the charge being that (1) from the 500m to the 400m he failed to shift TUMBLER wider on the track when it was reasonable and permissible to do so to ensure that TUMBLER had every opportunity to improve into the race and secure clear running in the home straight. (2) Between the 400m and the 300m he failed to shift TUMBLER wider and improve into a run between NICCANOVA and APOLOBOOM when that run was at all times available and it was reasonable and permissible to do so. In the opinion of the stewards, these failures as particularised have resulted in TUMBLER not being given full opportunity to win the race. Apprentice Bayliss’s licence to ride in races was suspended for a period of 6 weeks, to commence at midnight on Wednesday 25 July and expire at midnight on Wednesday 5 September 2018. In determining penalty, stewards took into account apprentice Bayliss’s guilty plea, his record, having previously been penalised for a breach of this rule, and his relative inexperience in riding in the metropolitan area.ENDS


Tumbler did look a certainty beaten and the apprentice admitted he erred  IMO he should have come outside Niccanova and wins for sure instead of searching for runs inside .... but he's a 3kg claimer not Darby Munro and despite his guilty plea he could drag out the not blameworthy excuse as his was obviously an error of judgment....and he might get a reduction in penalty if he utilizes the appeal process ...personally I blame the trainer for putting him on in a 6 horse race....when  he could have had Ronnie Stewart or Jeff Lloyd both watched the race from the outer.

Punters.com report with a replay...unbelievable there's no moderation on public comments one moron in particular could face charges if the cops noticed his threats.


https://www.punters.com.au/news/bayliss-suspended-over-tumbler-ride_170666/

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« 2018-Jul-21, 11:53 PM Reply #1955 »


Punters.com report with a replay...unbelievable there's no moderation on public comments one moron in particular could face charges if the cops noticed his threats.



Social media is getting totally out of control in regards to what people are saying.

And unless you are filthy rich people tend not to take legal action because of the risk of losing and facing court costs.

And people are starting to cotton on to this i.e you just basically say what you like.

I restrict my abusive comments to politicians like Greg Hunt on the Soap Box which is hidden away from Joe Public  :shy:

But seriously I have no idea what world my kids will inherit. Totally different set of rules.

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On the Tumbler ride, it was (possibly) bad judgement from a young apprentice who is still learning his trade. I am flabbergasted that he got suspended. I've seen Glyn Schofield ride a similarly poorly judged ride earlier in the year in Sydney and he didn't get a suspension. Beggars belief that an apprentice jockey has been treated this way.

And I'm not even convinced that he could have extricated himself from his situation in the home straight regardless of what decision he made.

We all know the risks if we decide to take the weight advantage by putting our money on a young apprentice. People should cop these things sweet.

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« 2018-Jul-25, 07:32 PM Reply #1956 »
Doesn't it depend on who you are in this game ? A few weeks ago an unfashionable rider got tossed out for several weeks for bending the rules on one (who won ) at Canterbury. Contrast that with the absolute slaughter by someone , who some people label "the World's Best Jockey" on one in race 6 at Canterbury Today. Did the stipes take harsh action ? Of course not. It is different strokes for different folks. That kid in Brisbane on Saturday who got rubbed out for an error in judgment would obviously be trying to work how long this alleged superstar would have got if he had ridden "Tumbler" as well as he did. I can tell him. He would be available for mounts Saturday. The authorities only have the courage to confront what is called "low hanging fruit ."

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« 2018-Jul-26, 12:53 AM Reply #1957 »
Doesn't it depend on who you are in this game ? A few weeks ago an unfashionable rider got tossed out for several weeks for bending the rules on one (who won ) at Canterbury. Contrast that with the absolute slaughter by someone , who some people label "the World's Best Jockey" on one in race 6 at Canterbury Today. Did the stipes take harsh action ? Of course not. It is different strokes for different folks. That kid in Brisbane on Saturday who got rubbed out for an error in judgment would obviously be trying to work how long this alleged superstar would have got if he had ridden "Tumbler" as well as he did. I can tell him. He would be available for mounts Saturday. The authorities only have the courage to confront what is called "low hanging fruit ."

Given that at it's previous 3 starts it had been close to the lead it was surprising to see him dropping out from barrier 7.

But after that it was a victim of circumstance - probably as a consequence of the decision to go back to last. The horse obviously wanted to go faster and was being restrained. I would not agree with Hughie that "manners" were the issue. In fact I would think that it would have finished a lot closer and maybe even have won if he would have let the horse go right around the outside before the turn rather than steer it up the backside of other horses.

Poorly planned ride (if planned at all). Poorly executed ride. And they rarely win being ridden cold over 1100m at Canterbury.

Worthy of suspension? Don't think so (hasten to add I didn't think the kid at Doomben on Saturday should have been suspended either). I don't think you suspend jockeys for that sort of thing. Criticize them yes. But suspend no.

Almanzora – after being slow to begin, was crowded shortly after the start between Blowing Kisses and Vega, both of which shifted ground. Almanzora was then shifted in behind runners in the early stages. Near the 600m, improved quickly to the inside of the heels of Identic as that runner was being steadied by its rider, resulting in the filly having to be checked from the heels of Identic. After being held up in the early part of the straight, Almanzora endeavoured to obtain a narrow run between Count Dekroner and Liberty Song. When Liberty Song shifted out abruptly away from All Carisma, Almanzora had to be severely checked when disappointed for clear running. Almanzora then did not obtain clear running until near the 100m where it finished the race off strongly. When questioned regarding his riding from the 500m as to whether there was an opportunity to make a run to the outside of Identic, H Bowman stated that given the keen racing manners of the filly, he elected not to improve wide as he felt this would have disadvantaged Almanzora. He said that when Identic shifted off on the home turn, Almanzora improved quickly to that runner's inside which resulted in him having to then endeavour to improve between runners in the straight. After considering H Bowman’s explanation, the Stewards found his actions in not shifting off on the home turn were not unreasonable, particularly having regard to the racing manners of the filly.

Good to see you back following Sydney racing gunbower   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Jul-26, 07:59 AM Reply #1958 »
By any measure that is a very gentle probe into the failure of the $2.60 fav.

No sweat for "Hughie" to deal with that one and I'm sure Neville Nobody would have been dealt with differently.

Where will you read about it about this sort of thing in the Sydney press?...nowhere of course.......any discussion on Sky?....no.



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« 2018-Jul-26, 02:50 PM Reply #1959 »
Quite right Nemisis. The industry owned stations are not interested in anything but the positive spin . Yesterday on Brisbane radio there was an interview with Damian Browne about some injuries he sustained in an incident last week. The interviewer after the fireside chat said that he didn't want to raise anything about the Jockey's current suspension for not giving one every opportunity to win. Why?
He is not appealing to a Court of Law. He has lodged an appeal with QRIC which will be ruled on by one of their employees. Hardly likely to violate the sub judice provisions of the real Courts. Sub Judice refers to legal matters before the Courts. The hillbillies at QRIC thankfully are not part of the Legal System.

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« 2018-Jul-26, 03:02 PM Reply #1960 »
The interviewer after the fireside chat said that he didn't want to raise anything about the Jockey's current suspension for not giving one every opportunity to win. Why?


Perhaps he was being polite to his guest.

You remember politeness don't you? That thing we used to be to each other before the internet and social media came along and everybody received a license to slag off at whomever and whatever they liked.

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« 2018-Jul-26, 03:36 PM Reply #1961 »
A bit harsh on Bowman’s ride. 99 our of a 100 times that run would have come on the outside but th3 other jock closed the gap.
Out ridden, yes, but a bad ride?, not in my book

The kids problem is he had a huge gap to get to the outside but didn’t notice it

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« 2018-Jul-26, 04:15 PM Reply #1962 »
PP, Proper journalists ask questions. They don't waste interviews congratulating people. That is not being impolite. That should be the nature of their work. Sadly these days the media (or whatever you would call it) is owned by the Industry. These individuals always would lead you to believe every thing is rosy in the garden. Much like the media we see in Countries where the State controls the press.
PP , I think you would be ideal at Sky or TAB Radio. I am sure they would welcome you with open arms. I can see you and Priscilla drooling over a super field of maidens at Ballina or Murwillumbah. What do you think ?

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« 2018-Jul-26, 07:27 PM Reply #1963 »
PP, Proper journalists ask questions. They don't waste interviews congratulating people. That is not being impolite. That should be the nature of their work. Sadly these days the media (or whatever you would call it) is owned by the Industry. These individuals always would lead you to believe every thing is rosy in the garden. Much like the media we see in Countries where the State controls the press.
PP , I think you would be ideal at Sky or TAB Radio. I am sure they would welcome you with open arms. I can see you and Priscilla drooling over a super field of maidens at Ballina or Murwillumbah. What do you think ?
The media situation won't be getting better anytime soon Gunbower, with today's news.

Bye bye Fairfax and hello Nine.

Just what we all need......more commercial news :thumbsd:

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« 2018-Jul-26, 08:04 PM Reply #1964 »
Spot on Nemisis- a sad day for freedom of speech and balanced reporting in this Country. It has taken Paul Keating with his amazing vitriol to spell out what has happened Today. ''The pus from the carbuncle that is Nine's news culture will infect Fairfax and undermine quality journalism ". So said the former Prime Minister. How true and how sad.

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« 2018-Jul-26, 10:08 PM Reply #1965 »
Banned Bayliss to fight penalty
NATHAN EXELBY
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COREY Bayliss has lodged an appeal against the severity of the six-week suspension he incurred at Doomben on Saturday as the Jockeys Association called for inquiries of a serious nature to be dealt with away from race day.

Bayliss pleaded guilty to a charge under the contentious rule of AR135(b) in that he failed to take all reasonable measures to give Tumbler her best chance of winning on Saturday.

His suspension was scheduled to begin last night, but he has been granted a stay of proceedings until his internal review is handed down, enabling him to take rides at Doomben this weekend.

Initially Bayliss told stewards he was “guilty of making a mistake” before pleading guilty to the charge.

Australian Jockeys Association Queensland representative Glen Prentice said jockeys should not be subjected to inquiries such as the one which confronted Bayliss on race day.

“I don’t believe any serious charge like this should be handled on the day,” he said.

“It can affect their future rides for the day, having this over their head and put them in the wrong frame of mind.”

Racing Queensland’s training department came under fire at the weekend, with no jockey advocate on course to represent Bayliss’ interests.

Racing Queensland education and welfare manager Maurice Logue said RQ has a renewed focus on “providing jockey coaches in provincial centres, to ensure apprentices are appropriately supported and prepared to compete at metropolitan meetings once eligible”.

“While jockey coaches are not routinely present at all metropolitan races, apprentices eligible to ride in metropolitan races are deemed to have a higher level of riding skills and experience and have ready access to Racing Queensland’s Welfare and Education platform,” Logue said.

“A Racing Queensland jockey coach (Shane Scriven) was present at Wednesday’s Doomben meeting to assist apprentice Corey Bayliss following his suspension last weekend.”


If this appeal runs true to form the "not blameworthy" escape clause will be the basis of  Bayliss's defence......I think it likely he'll get a reduced penalty.....looking at this rule objectively it's understandable that an error of judgment should be treated as considerably less serious than pulling one up...but now that it's out there like Estelle Costanza from the Seinfeld show the "not blameworthy" clause.... stewards have to apply the rules..... punters and connections have to be protected and poor rides due to errors of judgment have to be censured...otherwise they may as well turn a blind eye to rides where a runner is ridden into no go zones and blamed on jockey error......when Schofield got off on the Up N Rolling ride it was time to revise the rules and come up with a better one.

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« 2018-Jul-27, 08:56 AM Reply #1966 »
[quote author=Arsenal link=topic=3990.msg653155#msg653155 date=1530090696]
QUEENSLANDRACING INTEGRITY COMMISSION
 
STEWARDS REPORT
 
BRISBANE RACING CLUB
 
DOOMBEN – WEDNESDAY 27 JUNE 2018
 
WEATHER – OVERCAST/SHOWERS               RAIL – 9M                 PENETROMETER – 5
TRACK RATING –  GOOD 4
SOFT 5 (After Race 3)
SOFT 6 (After Race 5)
 
OFFICIALS
 
Chairman of Stewards – M. Knibbs
Stewards – N. Boyle, C. Albrecht, J. Williamson, B. Connell
Clerk of Scales – L. Hicks
Judge – I. Schultz
Veterinarian – Dr A. Murdoch
Swab Attendants – A. Challen, K. Warwick
Starter – P. Cousins, R. Smith
Jockeys Advocate – S. Scriven
Stewards Secretary – W. Ostrofski
 
SUPPLEMENTARY REPORTS
 
From Sunshine Coast Friday 1 June 2018 – Race 6:
 
Stewards today concluded an adjourned inquiry into the running and handling of FIGHTING TEO in this event. After taking further evidence from trainer K. Kemp and jockey D. Browne, stewards also tabled evidence of vision of the horse’s previous race starts and stewards’ reports from these events. Stewards, after having concerns that jockey Browne had failed to comply with a change of tactics, which was to ride FIGHTING TEO forward from its wide barrier, jockey Browne explained that the gelding began very awkwardly and made heavy contact with the barrier partition, causing the horse to lose ground. He added that he attempted in the first 50m to comply with these instructions, however the horse did not respond to his riding and therefore he restrained the horse to obtain cover at the tail of the field. Stewards accepted jockey Browne’s explanation as to his tactics during this stage of the event. Stewards also raised with jockey Browne further concerns from the 600m onwards, and after hearing evidence from jockey Browne were not satisfied with his explanation that FIGHTING TEO was awkward in its action from the 500m and jockey Browne was subsequently found guilty of a charge under AR. 135(b), being:
 
“The rider of every horse shall take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that his horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.”

The particulars of the charge being:
 
1.    For a distance approaching the 500m, when having been afforded clear running behind DREAM CAPTAIN and TOLAI MERI, he failed to ride with sufficient purpose and vigour to attempt to improve his position when it was both permissible and reasonable at this stage of the race.
 
2.    Furthermore, when following TOLAI MERI when leaving the 500m until approaching the 100m, he failed to ride with any purpose and vigour to improve his position when this action was permissible and, given your proximity to the finish of the event, reasonable in the circumstances.
 
3.    Additionally, it was, in the opinion of the stewards, unreasonable for him to ride without purpose and vigour when afforded clear running over the final stages of the race when clearly permissible in the circumstances.
 
Stewards particularise that these failures to fulfil reasonable actions, which were clearly permissible to him, resulted in FIGHTING TEO not being afforded the opportunity to win or finish in the best possible position.”
 
After hearing penalty submissions jockey Browne’s license to ride in races was suspended for a period of 2 months to commence midnight July 1, 2018 and to conclude September 1, 2018. In assessing penalty stewards took into account the good riding record of jockey Browne, previous penalty precedents, the seriousness of the charge and the detrimental effect that rides of this nature have on the industry.
 
Stewards advised trainer K. Kemp that they were satisfied that he was not complicit in jockey Browne’s tactics." ENDS

I expect he'll apply for a stay so as to pursue an appeal through the Internal Review process which hasn't had any results published since early May hard to believe there's been no work done in the almost two months by Mr Ashby since his last decision appeared publicly.

Giddy Up :beer:

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BROWNE’S BAN STANDS
JOCKEY Damian Browne has lost an internal review application to have a twomonth suspension overturned.
Browne was outed after stewards found him guilty of not giving Fighting Teo every chance to gain the best possible place at Caloundra on June 3.
A Queensland Racing Integrity Commission spokesman said the internal review handed down this week had confirmed the finding and sentence.
Browne is expected to appeal to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
He has been receiving treatment this week for serious facial injuries received in a trackwork accident.
Queensland Jockeys Association representative Glen Prentice said he had been in contact with Browne, who believed he would be out for several weeks.
MARK OBERHARDT

More to come once the IR is published Browne would almost certainly test the decision at QCAT look out for  the "not blameworthy" excuse to be trotted out and a good chance of getting up IMO just a guess.

Giddy Up :beer:




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« 2018-Jul-29, 12:54 PM Reply #1967 »
Kevin Kemp took Fighting Teo to Rosehill yesterday and it ran very well for second admittedly in a small field benchmark 73 0ver 2000m...the caller called it Flying Teo probably the horse's best run ever....the horse's subsequent form isn't favourable to Damien Browne's not blameworthy ride although I can't believe there was any benefit in him pulling it up and he wasn't charged with that offence.

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« 2018-Aug-01, 05:46 PM Reply #1968 »
Poor ride by K McEvoy on Seaglass who blew like a gale in the 6th at the farm.

On a hot pace he seemed to refuse to slot into the running line then took off very early only to get the staggers late as the heavily backed commodity saluted

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« 2018-Aug-01, 08:10 PM Reply #1969 »
Yes good old fashioned slaughter. As usual no questions asked by Stewards. Must have been tied up with afternoon tea.

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« 2018-Aug-04, 12:39 PM Reply #1970 »
I was looking forward to seeing Cisco Bay come to town for one of these Highways and a tip top jockey on board and Glynn Schofield produced that gem.  :rant:

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« 2018-Aug-04, 03:33 PM Reply #1971 »
I was looking forward to seeing Cisco Bay come to town for one of these Highways and a tip top jockey on board and Glynn Schofield produced that gem.  :rant:

And another one slaughtered with Kementari. I'll bet if McDonald was on Kementari and Schofield on Pierata K would have won by 4  :no:

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« 2018-Aug-04, 07:30 PM Reply #1972 »
Hard not to agree with you PP. I know I was lucky to collect. Maybe the South African is trying to flog the runner up to Hong Kong.
Wouldn't be the first time.

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« 2018-Aug-04, 08:54 PM Reply #1973 »
Can’t say I agree guys, yes kementari  was unlucky but I don’t believe there was anything wrong with the ride

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« 2018-Aug-05, 03:51 AM Reply #1974 »
Can’t say I agree guys, yes Kementari  was unlucky but I don’t believe there was anything wrong with the ride

Mate looking at the replay you are probably right. The main reason he is beaten is that Tim Clark on Takedown for some reason is being a real  :censored: . His mount is spent yet he chooses to hold Kementari in a pocket at a vital time.

I often wonder about the personal relationships between jockeys and whether some jockeys do that sort of thing on purpose because they either don't like another jockey or are pissed off at the stable for not being given mounts. Or maybe he is held out and has to race 3 wide because someone kicks up and he thinks to himself "all right I'll fix you". You also wonder what happens next time Schofield finds himself in a similar position in a race when Clark is riding a favourite.

Some stories I've read told by old jockeys suggest a lot of this stuff goes on in the background.

There are some infamous "jockey on jockey" incidents throughout the history of horse racing.

Mel Schumacher and Blue Era in the Derby was probably the most famous of all when he pulled the rein of the runner up.

There was the jockey in the 2004 Australian Cup who had a brain snap and decided to try and put Lonhro out of the race and nearly succeeded. But the champ picked himself off the canvas and went on to record one of the most famous wins in the history of Australian racing. What was the name of that jockey - he got a bit of a holiday for that if I recall  :chin:

More recently there was the guy in Adelaide who took half the field out for his girlfriend who rode the winner.

In Schofield's case people still remember Up 'N' Rolling ride. It even got a run this week when people were pointing out that Schofield got off scot free and the young apprentice in Brisbane on Tumbler got a hefty penalty.

He seems to find himself in this position a lot more than other jockeys for some reason:

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2017Apr17&VenueCode=ODI0NjA=&RaceNumber=6&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Last400m


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