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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-May-12, 11:08 AM Reply #2125 »
Yes, I noted your tip for Pinsson hence I took the quinny and was even more pissed off😀

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« 2020-May-12, 01:43 PM Reply #2126 »
Stewards hearing today

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« 2020-May-13, 06:31 PM Reply #2127 »


I can understand why people are a bit upset but I'm wondering if this is a kid who needs a bit more time getting experience away from the city tracks before he is allowed to ride in town.



PP - don't judge on what you saw last week, go back and watch Dark Choice's previous 2 starts - 2/5 (race 5) & 11/4 (race 7)  :icecream: he rode it both times. the rides are chalk and cheese to what was served up last week  :rant:

You could only put it down to 'headspace'

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« 2020-May-13, 06:44 PM Reply #2128 »
Chris Graham found guilty penalty to follow later in the week.

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« 2020-May-14, 09:07 AM Reply #2129 »
Graham found guilty by WA stewards

Western Australian apprentice Chris Graham has been stood down and faces a lengthy suspension after being found guilty of failing to give Pushin’ Shapes every possible chance to win a race at Ascot on Saturday.

Stewards reconvened their inquiry on Tuesday evening into Grahams’ ride on the Dan and Ben Pearce-trained galloper in the 1600m handicap.

After taking evidence, stewards issued Graham with a charge of not taking all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure he gave the horse every opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field.

The 27-year-old was also charged with failing to take the horse out at the top of the straight and ride with sufficient vigour and purpose.

Graham pleaded not guilty to both charges.

WA Chief Steward Brad Lewis confirmed that Graham would be stood down from his rides at Ascot on Wednesday, with a penalty to be determined by the end of the week.

“Mr Graham has been found guilty but a penalty has not been handed down tonight,” Lewis said.

“We will look to provide him with the details of his penalty by the end of the week.

“With the severity of the charges that he has been found guilty of, we have decided to remove him from his rides tomorrow and Thursday.”

In entering a plea of not guilty, Graham claimed that the saddle had slipped and that he had concerns for his safety throughout the race.

It was reported on Racing.com that Graham had conveyed his concerns to the stewards post-race but this did not receive a mention in the stewards’ report.

Lewis said that while the concern had been raised by the apprentice post-race, there was no evidence to suggest the saddle had slipped during the race.

“Graham did mention to me after the race that the saddle had slipped,” he said.

“However, after a lot of video analysis tonight, we have failed to spot that and have failed to agree with Mr Graham.”

Lewis was also asked if co-trainers Dan and Ben Pearce had been questioned or could face any charges regarding the incident.

“This inquiry was solely based around Mr Graham and his ride,” he said.

“The Pearce brothers were not in question regarding this matter.”


https://www.racing.com/news/2020-05-12/news-graham-fronts-wa-stewards

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« 2020-May-15, 04:16 PM Reply #2130 »
Chris Graham outed for 2 months


Thoroughbred Stewards Inquiry – Apprentice Chris Graham – Pushin‘ Shapes
Stewards today completed their deliberations regarding penalty following Apprentice Chris Graham being found guilty to a charge under AR129 (2), which states;
A rider must take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that the rider’s horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.
Apprentice Graham was charged under the above rule in the following terms;
That he failed to take PUSHIN’SHAPES to the outside of STAR VALUE (B Parnham) shortly after straightening to improve his position and obtain clear running and from there on his riding of the gelding lacked vigour and purpose and therefore he did not place the gelding under the level of pressure required to fully test his mount when it was both reasonable and permissible to do so and consequently he did not give it full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field.
The inquiry was opened following the running of the race, the Kirin Megumi Handicap (1600m) at Ascot on Saturday 9 May 2020, with Apprentice Graham and Co-Trainer Daniel Pearce being questioned in relation to the riding and handling of PUSHIN’ SHAPES including the riding instructions issued. Apprentice Graham had reported to the Stewards following the race that he felt his saddle had shifted on jumping and felt loose throughout the race which he attributed to the considerable amount of packing required to make the gelding’s handicapped weight of 65 kilograms.
After taking evidence and viewing various angles of the race patrol vision, the inquiry was adjourned by the Stewards to review the past performances of PUSHIN’ SHAPES and to further analyse wagering activities on the race.
At the resumption of the inquiry on Tuesday 12 May 2020, further evidence was taken from Apprentice Chris Graham and Daniel Pearce. Mr Pearce stated that the riding instructions were to allow PUSHIN’ SHAPES to settle towards the rear of the field from its wide barrier. Such instructions were confirmed with Apprentice Graham. Stewards were satisfied given their assessment of the field and the form of PUSHIN’ SHAPES that no issue arose with respect to the instructions.
A review of betting data did not reveal any matters of concern.
Upon analysing the patrol vision using the various functions of the Hawkeye Vision System, the Stewards found no evidence to support the claims of Apprentice Graham regarding the concerns he held in relation to his saddle or that his mount was laying inwards or other runners were shifting ground outwards in front of his mount to the extent that he could not ride it out in a vigorous manner as required. Taking all matters and evidence into account he was subsequently found guilty of the charge on 12 May 2020 and advised that as a suspension would be imposed, he was removed from upcoming engagements immediately, whilst Stewards considered the length of suspension.
After taking into account all relevant matters, including;
 The principles and nature of the rule that had been breached. In particular that the offence was not one of the higher seriousness relating to not riding a horse on its merits.
 Range of penalties issued under this rule of suspension from riding in races of one to three months.
 His prior good record
 His personal circumstances and relative inexperience being an apprentice.
 The absence of any betting irregularities from the data available to the Stewards or other evidence that would aggravate the offending.
Apprentice Graham’s permit to ride in races was suspended for a period of two (2) months from midnight 9 May 2020 to midnight 8 July 2020.

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« 2020-May-15, 04:54 PM Reply #2131 »
The horse in question is in tomorrow

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« 2020-May-15, 04:58 PM Reply #2132 »
The horse in question is in tomorrow

What is that race. One of those old Highweights?

#1 63.5 kg
#2 63.5 kg
#3 Pushin' Shapes 62 kg

55 kg limit.

PS needs a claim - they should have put C Graham on it - you could bet he'd be riding it with vigour   :lol:

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« 2020-May-15, 06:02 PM Reply #2133 »
😆😆😆

Surely the distance is too short. I suspect the trainer put it in so it gets beaten to deflect from last weeks effort

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« 2020-May-16, 12:18 PM Reply #2134 »
Well, it’s started early.
J Mac will be hard to beat as the worst today given the slaughter job on Shamusu Sho

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« 2020-May-16, 12:26 PM Reply #2135 »
Well, it’s started early.
J Mac will be hard to beat as the worst today given the slaughter job on Shamusu Sho

Mate I was thinking the same thing.

Characteristic of his first two wins was his late sprint. No sprint when your jockey decides to keep him 3 and 4 deep midfield for the entire race.

Maybe we'll get better odds next time.

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« 2020-May-16, 12:52 PM Reply #2136 »
Wouldn't have won the race but Glen Boss must have watched McDonald's ride and thought that was a good idea for Crossing The Rubicon in the 3rd race over the notorious sprint course that uses the inside chute at Rosehill.

About time they got rid of that chute.

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« 2020-May-16, 10:49 PM Reply #2137 »
Great ride by the so called " Champion Jockey ". Looked as dead as the proverbial doornail.

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« 2020-May-17, 11:06 AM Reply #2138 »
I'll defend James McDonald all day long on that ride.
Outside barrier bar one.....what position would anyone, who watches races regularly, think that the horse will find?......anyone?

Maybe would be better to question how come he was the $4.2 fav? from the barrier?.....in a highway?

I'll admit I'm a bit of a fan of young James and from what I see, he doesn't allow himself to be involved in "riding one for the team"

Happy to be shown something to prove me wrong!

I had a couple of $'s on Crossing the Rubicon.......absolutely not good enough!

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« 2020-May-17, 01:36 PM Reply #2139 »
RACE 1: TAB Highway Handicap 1500m:

Hemmerle–From a wide barrier was shifted behind runners in the early stages.

Perfect Pitch–Shortly after the start was crowded between Laughing Or Crying and Nashian, which shifted out. Over the final 200m laid in under pressure.

Shamusu Sho–From a wide barrier was shifted behind runners in the early stages. Rider J. McDonald stated that although the gelding was caught wide and without cover for the majority of the event, he felt it still  was  somewhat  disappointing  and  in the  straight  was  very  one-paced. A  post-race  veterinary examination did not reveal any abnormalities.

3 and 4 deep without cover. Wonder how many horses are "one paced in the straight" after being ridden like that.

At least the stewards forced him to comment - which says a lot in itself.

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« 2020-May-17, 01:39 PM Reply #2140 »
RACE 3: Yarraman Park Woodlands Stakes 1100m

Cross The Rubicon– Raced wide and without cover throughout the event. Leaving the 1000m was steadied to avoid the heels of Superbellaa, which was inclined to overrace and shifted in despite the efforts of its rider. Raced greenly when placed under pressure in the straight.


I'm satisfied when they mention it. It implies that they saw it and it deserves a comment.

Boss was suspended in the first race for causing interference and perhaps wasn't in the best frame of mind.

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« 2020-May-17, 01:51 PM Reply #2141 »
I've got to go through all my 4 tips in the tipping comp. Cannot believe the luck I copped with all 4. At least So Charming is still alive.


RACE 7: Coolmore Denise'sJoy Stakes 1100m:

Wayupinthesky – Near  the  100m  had  to  be  steadied  when  disappointed  for  clear  running between Satin  Socks and Aquitaine, which  shifted  out slightly.  Stewards  found  that Wayupinthesky had  not established clear running when Aquitaine shifted out.



Kembla RACE 4: Poplar Pe tfood and Produce 3YO Maiden Handicap 1200m:

So Charming – Change of tactics –to be ridden conservatively:

Settled back. Began awkwardly and made contact with Knight. When questioned, C. Lever stated that after blundering badly shortly after the start the filly travelled only fairly. He said that in the middle stages, when So Charming did not feel comfortable in its action, he elected to ease  the  filly  out  of  the  race  from  the  700m. A  post-race  veterinary  examination revealed  the  filly  to  be  lame  (1/5)  in  the  near  foreleg. Stable  representative Mr C. Duckworth was advised that a veterinary clearance would be required prior to So Charming trialling to the satisfaction of Stewards.


Gold Coast Race 8: Brandons Gold Coast Guineas – 1200m

EXHILARATES – Held up in the early part of the home straight and shifted out approaching the 200m to the outside of HIGHTAIL in order to improve.


Robby Fradd had a difficult barrier and elected to grab hold at the start and go back to the fence in 2nd last position. I don't blame him for that. On a fair track it wins the race. It re-enforces the fact that if you draw wide at the Gold Coast then unless you get an easy lead/sit outside the leader then you are going to be posted and then it is all over red rover.

Given the importance of Gold Coast racing I wish they'd build a better track - same as Rosehill sprints - that 1200m chute on the inside of the track makes sprint racing a joke. Now that Shell has moved out of the refinery maybe they cold improve the track.  :bulb:

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« 2020-May-17, 07:29 PM Reply #2142 »
I'll defend James McDonald all day long on that ride.
Outside barrier bar one.....what position would anyone, who watches races regularly, think that the horse will find?......anyone?

Maybe would be better to question how come he was the $4.2 fav? from the barrier?.....in a highway?

I'll admit I'm a bit of a fan of young James and from what I see, he doesn't allow himself to be involved in "riding one for the team"

Happy to be shown something to prove me wrong!

I had a couple of $'s on Crossing the Rubicon.......absolutely not good enough!

Nem, I’ve been on the last 2. He’s a talent and the barrier wasn’t a concern given it’s racing pattern and ability.

Firstly, he could have easily slotted back, one wide to 2nd last.

That he chose to stride forward into no mans land and sit 4 wide was mind boggling as he was never going to win from that point on.

At about the stage he decided to go forward, instead of going back, he could have continued to go forward and would have lobbed in a great spot at about the 900m

Poor ride but get in next time.  :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: 2020-May-18, 10:52 AM by wily ole dog »

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« 2020-May-17, 11:31 PM Reply #2143 »
Be careful Wily ; it seems you cant criticize these little bundle of joys anymore as one media scribe found out last week. Otherwise you could be charged with bringing the good name of Racing into disrepute? Are they kidding ? Good name of Racing !!. This particular scribe had a crack at this hoop for his punting activities . He already has form for it and a disqualification. Isn't it called a precedent . As for the "good name of Racing " . Please !!!. How's R Smerdon going lately ? Has D Oliver found one to have $10,000 on in the same race he is riding in? How can you denigrate the "good name of Racing ".  Amazing !

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« 2020-May-18, 08:07 AM Reply #2144 »
Wily, if you have been watching the horse closely, I can accept what you say.

I would never take $4 about a horse in a highway ......ever!
Fair enough if you see a country horse do something that catches your eye, but surely you would want a lot more than $4
Let's be honest here, assessing horses in these races looks difficult because that's what it is ....difficult.

I didn't have a bet but I did notice the winner at least did have a bit of city form.

While I don't like the racing term "the horse has been moved on" Shamusu Who is an ex B Baker, horse so he has been moved on.
It probably means somewhere a long the line someone has said 'I don't think this horse is city class'
How he will go next time?......depends on the grade I'd say.

Gunbower, are you really saying that you think it's okay for that clown to say that about J Mac? :what:
It's absolute  :censored:  stuff!

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« 2020-May-18, 09:46 AM Reply #2145 »
Gunbower, are you really saying that you think it's okay for that clown to say that ? :what:


Who was it?

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« 2020-May-18, 10:04 AM Reply #2146 »

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-May-18, 10:53 AM Reply #2147 »
Yes, we’ll pointed out, Gun

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« 2020-May-18, 11:00 AM Reply #2148 »
Stupid question but what happens if they get suspended or fined and they refuse to comply.

Other than not being allowed on tracks, the stewards cannot stop them giving tips etc or am I incorrect?

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« 2020-May-18, 11:14 AM Reply #2149 »
Stupid question but what happens if they get suspended or fined and they refuse to comply.

Other than not being allowed on tracks, the stewards cannot stop them giving tips etc or am I incorrect?

Not a stupid question at all Jeunes - I've been wondering the same thing. They are registered owners in at least one horse, so not sure if that is how the stewards have jurisdiction over them?


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