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O.P. « 2016-Oct-30, 09:05 AM »
Race 7 - 3:00PM Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 50kg, Weight Raised 1kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 24
NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
17x5x23x11xBIG ORANGE (GB)Michael BellJamie Spencer757kg117
20x5501x586OUR IVANHOWE (GER)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDwayne Dunn657kg116
3x300x620x9CURREN MIROTIC (JPN)Osamu HirataTommy Berry1856.5kg116
41220x11x33BONDI BEACH (IRE)Aidan O'BrienRyan Moore556kg116
51413x18353EXOSPHERIC (GB)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDamien Oliver1356kg117
650x5x21112HARTNELL (GB)John O'SheaJames McDonald1256kg123
70324x65272WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)Chris WallerHugh Bowman2056kg115
83333x26431WICKLOW BRAVE (GB)William MullinsFrankie Dettori2456kg117
9x9065x8084ALMOONQITH (USA)David & B Hayes & T DabernigMichael Walker1954.5kg112
10069x031x27GALLANTE (IRE)Robert HickmottBlake Shinn254.5kg114
118533x72691GRAND MARSHAL (GB)Chris WallerBen Melham954.5kg115
125324x47121JAMEKACiaron MaherNicholas Hall354.5kg2.0kg119
1300x101x11xHEARTBREAK CITY (FR)Tony MartinJoao Moreira2354kg113
142x1322x210SIR JOHN HAWKWOOD (IRE)John P ThompsonBlake Spriggs1454kg1.5kg114
1517x20x9834EXCESS KNOWLEDGE (GB)Gai Waterhouse & Adrian BottVlad Duric2153.5kg111
16x6153x1553BEAUTIFUL ROMANCE (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorDamian Lane152.5kg110
17x221x66511ALMANDIN (GER)Robert HickmottKerrin McEvoy1752kg1.0kg108
188x1153x921ASSIGN (IRE)Robert HickmottMs Katelyn Mallyon2252kg1.0kg104
1932x1837x82GREY LION (IRE)Matt CumaniGlen Boss1652kg107
2011x4017x31OCEANOGRAPHER (GB)Charlie ApplebyChad Schofield1152kg1.0kg107
21361x2x12x1SECRET NUMBER (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorStephen Baster1052kg112
223254x06737PENTATHLON (NZ)John WheelerMark Du Plessis451.5kg102
2322x0Fx22x1QEWY (IRE)Charlie ApplebyCraig Williams1551.5kg0.5kg107
2462102x0940ROSE OF VIRGINIA (NZ)Lee & Shannon HopeBen E Thompson (a)851kg100

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« 2016-Oct-30, 02:36 PM Reply #1 »
The barriers have really thrown a cat amongst the pigeons. Buggered if I know where some of these will end up. Try doing a speed map :wacko:

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« 2016-Oct-30, 02:39 PM Reply #2 »
One thing can be certain, It will not be a trot and canter like last year and should not be anywhere near as messy as last year.


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« 2016-Oct-30, 02:44 PM Reply #3 »

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« 2016-Oct-30, 03:17 PM Reply #4 »
The barriers have really thrown a cat amongst the pigeons. Buggered if I know where some of these will end up. Try doing a speed map :wacko:

Those that have backed it would be hoping that the jockey on Hartnell rides it with a bit more intelligence than he showed on Tally in the staying event yesterday.  :bulb:

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« 2016-Oct-30, 03:23 PM Reply #5 »
Those that have backed it would be hoping that the jockey on Hartnell rides it with a bit more intelligence than he showed on Tally in the staying event yesterday.  :bulb:

How do you hope McDonald rides Hartnell ?

I suspect he is going to be a torrid ride for McDonald, that said the likely tempo of the race should help Hartnell settle better.


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« 2016-Oct-30, 03:42 PM Reply #6 »
How do you hope McDonald rides Hartnell ?

I suspect he is going to be a torrid ride for McDonald, that said the likely tempo of the race should help Hartnell settle better.

I hope he slaughters it like he has done with many a good horse in Melbourne because I am backing Jameka each way with a bit of confidence.   :biggrin:

As for Hartnell, the failure in the 2015 Sydney Cup leads me to think he will not run out the 3200m. Sure, he won a 3200m in the mother country in a 3yo set weights race by 0.3 lengths but this is completely different.

I'm tipping

1. Jameka
2. International horse (unspecified)
3. Waller horse (unspecified).

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« 2016-Oct-30, 04:46 PM Reply #7 »
Good luck to those who got a big price on Oceanographer, looks a big chance with clear running. I'm not a huge sectionals student but ran his last 1000m in 56.81 on Saturday and drops in weight..

More hopeful than confident but happy with my $67 ticket on Almandin, Kerrin Mcevoy could win on a broomstick at the moment  :x:

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« 2016-Oct-30, 04:46 PM Reply #8 »
I struggle to see how any thinking punter could bet in this race with any confidence - think you would struggle to get a field of 24 horses I care less about!

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« 2016-Oct-30, 04:53 PM Reply #9 »
I struggle to see how any thinking punter could bet in this race with any confidence - think you would struggle to get a field of 24 horses I care less about!

The great news is, there are about 3200 other races the TABs are betting on on Tuesday.   emthup


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« 2016-Oct-30, 07:43 PM Reply #11 »
Ok, I have backed Grey Lion,  Almadin and Wicklow Brave

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« 2016-Oct-30, 08:57 PM Reply #12 »
You get the feeling that Team William's top seed is easily  Bondi Beach.
I think the son of Galileo will need a 4  track rating at least.

With confidence slightly on the wane I will remind Lloyd, his team  and myself that Almandin does have 2014 Protectionist form.
 The sort of pace that should be on, it will take a stayer like Protectionist to win.
 

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« 2016-Oct-30, 09:18 PM Reply #13 »
To me the three that look like they've beaten the handicapper are : Hartnell - Secret Number - Almandin - throw in Big Orange and Jameka and that's my top five.

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« 2016-Oct-31, 03:51 AM Reply #14 »
Apologies to Austen Tayshus.

I was chatting to an Oceanographer who just came back from an assignment off the Irish coast near Wicklow. Brave blokes these with sharks all around the place so they wear big orange outfits. He was now back in Australia working off Bondi Beach on the QE 2. He said he had to come back. Got into a bit of a jam. "Ecoterrorism all over the place" he complained.

Said his name was Al and he seemed to have an excess knowledge about movies. I said "Al, Mandingo was a beautifual romance don't you think" to which he replied he preferred suspense thrillers like the ones where they try and work out who shot the barman or The Secret Number. He also liked medieval movies and had an interest in archery. "Our Ivanhowe archery club is hudereds of years old and was at one point patronized by Sir John Hawkwood in the 15th century. He was rumoured to be able to shoot an arrow that would go Exospheric not to mention he was a champion in the Pentathlon".

Just then his two beautiful female companions Virginia and Nell appeared. He was trying to remember the name of a good movie they all had seen together recently. " Rose Of...Virginia can you remember what it was called"? "Rose Of The Heart" Nell interjected. "Had those two sports stars in it. Tommy Curren. Mirotic - the Chicago Bulls basketballer - can't remember his first name" she said.

They were on holiday in Australia getting around in an old Mistubishi Gallante which they bought off a bloke directing runners in the City To Surf. "I'll give you a grand, marshal", Al told him and the car was theirs. Getting around from town to town, spending long nights in pubs. "In the morning we'd all feel a little grey. Lyin' on the beach sands in the morning listening to Delilah singing Heartbreak City helps" Nell said.

At that point I had to run. Been great chatting to you guys, and I've got one last thing to say to you Al. "Moonqwith".

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« 2016-Oct-31, 07:45 AM Reply #15 »
  :biggrin:  Good effort.

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« 2016-Oct-31, 09:44 PM Reply #16 »
I struggle to see how any thinking punter could bet in this race with any confidence - think you would struggle to get a field of 24 horses I care less about!

Well as someone who loves to bet ..... I still love the Cup.

Is it harder to do the form and assess he relative merits of each runner? ...... obviously yes, but I actually enjoy the complexity of the race with all the overseas horses having a go.  It is without question the worlds greatest handicap race and I relish it profoundly every year.   emthup

From a punting point of view it is still the only race of the year where every single dollar of my punting capital is tied up on the event ...... the angles available ...the promotions available, are just wonderful ............ my Cup turnover is probably twenty times the activity of any other race in the year ... has been that way for years and hopefully will be for the rest of my life.  :clap2:

Bring it on ........ the greatest betting event of the year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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« 2016-Nov-01, 11:01 AM Reply #17 »
Nice work PP  :beer: :beer:

Agree Wenona, i'm a cup tragic and love it. Would be better for my bank balance if I worked instead of spending time following all the lead up info but gotta have a hobby haha.

Good luck all

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« 2016-Nov-01, 01:47 PM Reply #18 »
Place bets and value,

Only yesterday I got more than $33.00 the place on Pentathlon fixed and now and now less than half of that price is all you can get ( betfair has people asking for $36 but no layers present at any price now )

One does wonder how much advantage traders are taking of the pay to 3 places versus pay to 4 places or more  too.

Pentathlon a saver bet for me in case the leaders cruel each others hopes....

Fours

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:20 PM Reply #19 »
Who was officially last?

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:28 PM Reply #20 »
That was not ( to the eye ) run nearly as hard as I expected.

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:31 PM Reply #21 »
Who was officially last?

The one you would expect.

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:35 PM Reply #22 »
The one you would expect.

Officially  rose of virginia ?

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:40 PM Reply #23 »
Race 7 - 3:00PM Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 50kg, Weight Raised 1kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 Time: 3:20.58 Last 600m: 0:36.24 Timing Method: Electronic INTERIM RESULTS
ColorFinishNo.HorseTrainerJockeyMarginBar.WeightPenaltyStarting Price
117ALMANDIN (GER)Robert HickmottKerrin McEvoy1752kg1.0kg$11
213HEARTBREAK CITY (FR)Tony MartinJoao Moreira0.2L2354kg$19
36HARTNELL (GB)John O'SheaJames McDonald4.45L1256kg0F
423QEWY (IRE)Charlie ApplebyCraig Williams6.7L1551.5kg0.5kg$21
57WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)Chris WallerHugh Bowman6.8L2056kg$26
69ALMOONQITH (USA)David & B Hayes & T DabernigMichael Walker6.9L1954.5kg0
716BEAUTIFUL ROMANCE (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorDamian Lane7.9L152.5kg$71
85EXOSPHERIC (GB)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDamien Oliver8.65L1356kg$21
922PENTATHLON (NZ)John WheelerMark Du Plessis9.4L451.5kg$81
101BIG ORANGE (GB)Michael BellJames Spencer9.5L757kg$14
1111GRAND MARSHAL (GB)Chris WallerBen Melham9.8L954.5kg0
1220OCEANOGRAPHER (GB)Charlie ApplebyChad Schofield10L1152kg1.0kg0
134BONDI BEACH (IRE)Aidan O'BrienRyan Moore10.75L556kg$13
1419GREY LION (IRE)Matt CumaniGlen Boss13.75L1652kg$41
1512JAMEKACiaron MaherNicholas Hall13.95L354.5kg2.0kg$8.50
1615EXCESS KNOWLEDGE (GB)Gai Waterhouse & Adrian BottVlad Duric15.7L2153.5kg$61
172OUR IVANHOWE (GER)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDwayne Dunn15.8L657kg$51
1814SIR JOHN HAWKWOOD (IRE)John P ThompsonBlake Spriggs20.8L1454kg1.5kg$81
1918ASSIGN (IRE)Robert HickmottMs Katelyn Mallyon20.9L2252kg1.0kg$51
2010GALLANTE (IRE)Robert HickmottBlake Shinn22.15L254.5kg0
2121SECRET NUMBER (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorStephen Baster22.35L1052kg0
228WICKLOW BRAVE (GB)William MullinsFrankie Dettori24.35L2456kg$16
233CURREN MIROTIC (JPN)Osamu HirataTommy Berry27.35L1856.5kg0
2424ROSE OF VIRGINIA (NZ)Lee & Shannon HopeBen E Thompson (a)99.9L851kg$61

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:41 PM Reply #24 »
officially yes rose of virginia


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