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Offline firezuki

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« 2016-Nov-01, 02:47 PM Reply #25 »
Didn't seem to be any hard luck stories to the naked eye but will watch the replay later.

A few (Jameka, Oceanographer etc) showed they just couldn't get the two miles.

I thought HBC had the race but these Germans sure know where the line is. 

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« 2016-Nov-01, 07:36 PM Reply #26 »
Joao Moriera is a great sportsman patted McEvoy on the back after he was nosed out in the CUP after a great ride on the second horse...as the jockeys were introduced to the crowd Moreira waved smiled and doffed his cap one of only a few to do so...a great jockey and a true sportsman a credit to the industry.

Now for some pictures from the ABC website.

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-01/gallery-melbourne-cup-day/7983256

Some stylish contenders in the Fashion Stakes.






Giddy Up :beer:


Offline wily ole dog

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« 2016-Nov-01, 07:50 PM Reply #27 »
The girl in the blue dress handing out tbe trophies fir the cup presso took my old eye

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« 2016-Nov-01, 08:27 PM Reply #28 »

The Melbourne Cup this morning was a stupid race in terms of pace, and I actually think Big Orange ran remarkably well to finish where he did.

He was obviously near the lead all the way round and, to his credit, he stuck on up the straight. Everything else that raced as prominently as we did fell out the back of the TV.

I have never ridden in another race where they have gone too fast for too long. Leading was never an option for me, and even when I was sitting in fifth I knew in my heart of hearts that I was still going too quick.

But he is not the kind of horse that you can drop out the back, as he doesnt have the pace to make up ground.

The problem was that everyone wanted to be on the pace, so no-one was going to get a comfortable early lead.

There was a Williams and Godolphin horse up there all the way, as well as the Japanese horse, and the unrelenting tempo of the race meant that everything happened from off the pace, as you saw. And when they race that quickly throughout, every ounce counts.

Everything was in place for Big Orange to run a big race today, but circumstances dictated that it simply wasnt his day.

Jamie Spencer


Offline Gintara

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« 2016-Nov-01, 08:41 PM Reply #29 »
What a crock.

Maybe he should have said - "Everything was in place for Big Orange to run a big race today, but I needed it run a specific way to favour my horse as he's one dimensional."

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« 2016-Nov-02, 12:21 AM Reply #30 »
For a second, I thought Authorized actually rode in the Cup. 

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« 2016-Nov-02, 07:17 AM Reply #31 »
The girl in the blue dress handing out tbe trophies fir the cup presso took my old eye

Mine too and Kerrin's as well  :thumbsup:

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« 2016-Nov-02, 07:40 AM Reply #32 »
Just read that Anatola the dam of Almandin was a 2 time listed winner up to 2400 metres.

I'm sure that most breeders here with a 2400 metre mare would be looking for a speed influencing stallion just on a commercial basis.


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« 2016-Nov-02, 10:06 AM Reply #33 »
I am with Arsie....Moriera was the classiest animal in the race.
I love his personality and attitude...and maybe the nags do too.
Silly Shogun backed Wicklow, despite all my inner conviction that Dettori would screw it up mightily.
Took me all of 30 secs to understand that my reservations were accurate.
I love a solidly paced race...love em...but sometimes the needle goes into the red, and stuffs up many horses chances, and you know you are gone half way thru.
Thats racin.
I wonder, however, do the stewards have any opinion on farcically fast paced G1s..do they ask 1st 4 jocks  Why.?

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« 2016-Nov-03, 08:47 AM Reply #34 »
Anyone know what the sectionals were compared to Aidens kamikaze squad a few years back that DID get stewards slightly interested.?

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« 2016-Nov-03, 09:01 AM Reply #35 »

I don't have the splits but we can figure that the Ballydoyle rodeo ran the first 2600m in 2:45.47 in 2008 while Secret Number reached the 600m pole in 2:44.34.

 In other words Secret Number was 1.13 seconds (or about 7 lengths) quicker than Alesandro Volta & co to the 600m mark. 

3.20.40 (last 600m in 34.93)  Viewed
3.20.58 (last 600m in 36.24) Almandin

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2016-Nov-03, 09:40 AM Reply #36 »
On "Get On" last night they over lapped the vision from last and this years cups.
When almandin hit the winning post last years field still had 45m to go

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« 2016-Nov-03, 10:41 AM Reply #37 »
For a second, I thought Authorized actually rode in the Cup.


Yes

I was thinking of Auth with some new-found respect.

Until I got to the end and I then settled back to the same level of respect I had when I commenced the article.
Which is not insignificant I might add but not as what it would have been if he had been a Cup-riding jock.






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« 2016-Nov-03, 01:43 PM Reply #38 »
On "Get On" last night they over lapped the vision from last and this years cups.
When almandin hit the winning post last years field still had 45m to go

If they had of overlayed Protectionist over Almandin, Almandin would have had 50m to go when Protectionist hit the line....

Almandin was 2.57 seconds faster than Pride of Penzance
Protectionist was 2.87 seconds faster than Almandin

...but Almandin was on a Good 4 while Protectionist and Prince of Penzance were on Good3's...


Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2016-Nov-05, 10:13 AM Reply #39 »
Thanks, as always, for the debate guys.
Now you have me thinking about Protectionist's year...
The other amazing story is the Monsun factor....the world is a funny place but wow...what a record now for the German sire...3 outta 4.
Every owner of a Monsun in Europe will be lookin through the curtains awaiting them Aussie desperate buyers...

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2016-Nov-06, 06:51 PM Reply #40 »

SAVE OUR CUP

The cup is just a horse race -- it used to be an iconic Australian race.

Now that RVL have chased 'international status' it has become their Cup and theirs for the plundering with runners mixing hurdles and flat racing.

What sort of international status is that -- is it the rubbish sort?

It is the sort that justifies millions being spent on officials junketing abroad chasing second-rating contenders and subsidizing their costs.

Not only have RVL prostituted the Cup they have failed to ride a winner -- the status of the Cup here and abroad is in tatters.

RVL  -- give us our Cup back, please?

God help us if any genuine top class raiders ever bother to come.

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« 2016-Nov-06, 07:14 PM Reply #41 »
Now it is an ICONIC world race.


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« 2016-Nov-06, 07:16 PM Reply #42 »
SAVE OUR CUP

The cup is just a horse race -- it used to be an iconic Australian race.

Now that RVL have chased 'international status' it has become their Cup and theirs for the plundering with runners mixing hurdles and flat racing.

What sort of international status is that -- is it the rubbish sort?

It is the sort that justifies millions being spent on officials junketing abroad chasing second-rating contenders and subsidizing their costs.

Not only have RVL prostituted the Cup they have failed to ride a winner -- the status of the Cup here and abroad is in tatters.

RVL  -- give us our Cup back, please?

God help us if any genuine top class raiders ever bother to come.

It is only in tatters in some peoples minds, A minority of minds.


Offline Gintara

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« 2016-Nov-06, 07:52 PM Reply #43 »
5 or 10 years I might agree with Peter but now the Euro form isn't hard to find and see. More so most have a run here so we can get a guide.

I think it really adds to it now.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2016-Nov-06, 08:03 PM Reply #44 »

The 'minority' losing interest is growing and the 'for all to see' form is so often mocked by the failure of those raiders deemed to be better chances.

If for all to see is to be credible the dividends from the results would be commensurate -- they are not!

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2016-Nov-07, 06:51 AM Reply #45 »
Given the Tri only paid $1,300 it's clear that plenty got it and there were no surprises to anyone except you :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:


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