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« 2016-May-26, 01:34 PM Reply #25 »
https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing/berry-secures-plum-melbourne-cup-ride

Berry secures plum Melbourne Cup ride

It might only be May and the spring horses have barely started work, but star jockey Tommy Berry has been locked in to ride Japanese stayer Curren Mirotic in the 2016 Emirates Melbourne Cup.

Berry is currently based in Japan – where he rode four winners last week – and says the Cup booking is just another highlight of this stint. Next week he rides one of the world’s best horses, Maurice, in the Group 1 Yasuda Kinen (1600m) before returning home to Sydney.

“This is the reason I came here,” Berry told G1X.com.au. “I wanted to build up connections and I’ve been able to do that, but to get the booking for Curren Mirotic in the Cup is quite special.”

The Yoshida family’s Northern Farm bred Curren Mirotic and they retain ownership in the horse with Mr Suzuki.

Curren Mirotic ran second in Japan’s equivalent of the Melbourne Cup, the US$2.9 million Tenno Sho (3200m) on May 1, a race he’d run third in the previous season.

Even though Berry is keen to get back into riding in Australia, the booking means he will be required in Japan on the weekends of June 18-19 and 25-26. Curren Mirotic will have his final Melbourne Cup lead-up run in the Group 1 Takarazuka Kinen over 2200m on June 26.

“He’s not a young horse. He’s experienced and he is coming into the best form,” Berry said. 

“He’s a high class on-speed stayer with a turn of foot and that is the sort of the horse connections targeted for the Melbourne Cup.

“And coming through the Tenno Sho is the right race; Admire Rakti and Fame Game came through that.”


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« 2016-May-26, 02:21 PM Reply #26 »
Let us see how he goes end of June before declaring him.

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« 2016-May-26, 02:42 PM Reply #27 »
He'd be one of the very few geldings up there wouldn't he ?

He would not be expected to be competitive in a 2200m group 1 race would he ?

I think looking at his form and career so far, Tommy Berry is talking him up a bit.


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« 2016-May-26, 04:06 PM Reply #28 »
I guess the question is, how does he compare to the previous Japanese Melbourne Cup quinella ?

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« 2016-May-26, 05:35 PM Reply #29 »
If he runs you won't see the same kind of race that was served up last year. He has run the long trips well in the past so 2200 not his ideal trip. if he finishes in top 8 that would be about right for the Takarazuka.

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« 2016-May-27, 02:25 PM Reply #30 »
How or where do you rate him SW?

Is he on par with some of the previous raiders?

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« 2016-May-27, 02:44 PM Reply #31 »
How or where do you rate him SW?

Is he on par with some of the previous raiders?
Not really considered a top line G1 horse although he has put in some top place performances at G1.
Too early for me to assess what he might do if he starts but one thing for sure he won't walk the first 1600 or the last.

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« 2016-May-30, 12:58 PM Reply #32 »
Have I missed something, who is Albert, currently the Favorite  :chin:

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« 2016-May-30, 01:28 PM Reply #33 »
Have I missed something, who is Albert, currently the Favorite  :chin:

Equal 5th favourite with the TAB.

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« 2016-May-30, 05:44 PM Reply #34 »
He may go. If they decide to go he will probably have a run in Japan first. Depending how he goes will decide his fate. Same owner that took Bande 2 years ago.

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« 2016-May-31, 02:46 PM Reply #35 »
The Japanese ratings for their horses in the market -

Curren Mirotic 116
Cheval Grand 115
Tanat Alegria 114
Albert 113

Off 116 Fame Game carried 57 in last years Cup races.

 


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« 2016-May-31, 06:01 PM Reply #36 »
Racehorse trainer marco botti

Marco Botti: may have found his next Australian campaigner

 PICTU Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)

Botti eyeing Melbourne Cup with Dylan Mouth

DYLAN MOUTH looks set to become Marco Botti's newest international flagbearer after his classy five-and-a-half-length success in the Group 2 Gran Premio di Milano on Sunday, with the Melbourne Cup among his potential targets.

Formerly trained by Botti's cousin Stefano Botti, Dylan Mouth made all to score under Frankie Dettori at the San Siro at the weekend on his first start for the Newmarket trainer. He is set to be on his travels again, with several big overseas targets on his agenda.

The first of these is the Group 1 Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud on July 3, and Botti said yesterday: "There are a lot of options as he travels so well, and we can look to try to get some good prize-money with him. 

"One race the owner would really like to have a runner in is the Melbourne Cup, so that could be a longer-term target. There's also Canada and he'll run somewhere over here as well. It's just that when you have a horse that can travel well it opens up a lot more options."


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« 2016-Jun-10, 05:08 PM Reply #37 »
Race 6 - 2:30PM TOYOTA MATERIAL HANDLING (AUSTRALIA) STAYERS CUP (3200 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $100,000.1st $57,950, 2nd $19,950, 3rd $9,975, 4th $4,750, 5th $2,375, 6th $1,000, 7th $1,000, 8th $1,000, 9th $1,000, 10th $1,000, Starter Subsidy $200
Quality, Minimum Weight 54kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.
BOBS&BOBS Extra Bonus available: $20,000

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM
NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
12Px008x890OPINION (IRE)Chris WallerRory Hutchings (a)962kg103
207837x0900TREMEC (NZ)John P ThompsonBlaike McDougall (a)354kg85
31222320268TUNESGrant YoungThomas Huet1154kg85
431x5743198MURPHY’S DELIGHT (IRE)Chris WallerBrenton Avdulla754kg78
5343517x023ZATOPAZ (NZ)Bjorn BakerGreg Ryan854kg73
6x003223484HE’S DREAMIN’BOBS extra bonus schemeRodney NorthamAndrew Adkins (a)654kg72
710x87540x0REFECTORY (IRE)Richard LamingJay Ford (late alt)554kg71
8x456343517REIBY THE REDJason AttardJeff Penza154kg67
98366642322TRADTRI (NZ)Robert PriceMs Kathy O'Hara1054kg65
102x87353144CHER CHER SHARKDavid FrombergPaul King254kg51
116x77274008VICTORIOUS (NZ)Mick BellJulien Kokotajlo454kg46

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« 2016-Sep-01, 12:04 PM Reply #39 »
This is an interesting situation.

The Czech horses is not permitted to come out here due to quarantine protocols yet can race against horses in Europe who are going to visit this neck of the woods.


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« 2016-Sep-04, 06:48 PM Reply #40 »
On my recent visit to the UK I have been reliably informed by one of my confidants that whatever Willie Mullins ,  the Irish trainer, brings to the Cup, will be hard to beat. He is reputed to be the smartest "money " trainer in Ireland and the U.K. Apparently he took the Bookies to the cleaners at the Chetenham Festival.Last year he trained Max Dynamite to run second in last years Cup only to be beaten by POP, a 100/  chance, Be warned !!!!

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« 2016-Sep-04, 06:54 PM Reply #41 »
Thanks  8-)

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« 2016-Sep-04, 07:14 PM Reply #42 »
On my recent visit to the UK I have been reliably informed by one of my confidants that whatever Willie Mullins ,  the Irish trainer, brings to the Cup, will be hard to beat. He is reputed to be the smartest "money " trainer in Ireland and the U.K. Apparently he took the Bookies to the cleaners at the Chetenham Festival.Last year he trained Max Dynamite to run second in last years Cup only to be beaten by POP, a 100/  chance, Be warned !!!!


Irish National Hunt wizard Willie Mullins, whose Max Dynamite went so close last year, will aim to go one better with Clondaw Warrior and Wicklow Brave, both of whom also have good form over jumps.


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« 2016-Sep-07, 11:07 AM Reply #43 »
Race 9 - 5:25PM Spring is the Season Handicap (1700 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $90,000.1st $49,500, 2nd $16,200, 3rd $8,100, 4th $4,500, 5th $2,700, 6th $1,800, 7th $1,800, 8th $1,800, 9th $1,800, 10th $1,800
Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM
NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
120x2315159MAURUS (GB)Robert SmerdonRyan Maloney260kg102
21x97170x96ESCADOMatt LaurieBen Melham659.5kg101
34543217111ROYAL RAPTUREDarren Weir559kg100
4x486x8222xBIG MEMORY (FR)Tony McEvoyLuke Currie858kg98
5212111134xHOWARD BE THY NAMEDarren Weir1358kg98
61x2110x0xSHIMRANO (GER)Lee & Anthony FreedmanMark Zahra358kg98
715x11113x0TALLYJohn O'SheaCraig Williams1058kg98
8716x7733x8DE LITTLE ENGINEDanny O'BrienDamian Lane1655.5kg93
9x5x8x1153xASSIGN (IRE)Robert HickmottNicholas Hall1255kg92
104x2117x8x0HANS HOLBEIN (GB)Robert HickmottMs Katelyn Mallyon754.5kg91
11235x8421x7GABELLA (FR)David & B Hayes & T DabernigRegan Bayliss (a)954kg93
1212x0071x07ZANTECA (NZ)Darren Weir1154kg93
13x1214x1x22PILOTE D’ESSAI (GB)David & B Hayes & T DabernigDwayne Dunn1554kg88
14070x044x69PINSTRIPE LANE (NZ)Leon & Troy CorstensDaniel Moor154kg86
155229371111MR WONDERFULPeter GelagotisBeau Mertens (a)1454kg83
16814344x001PRIMA (NZ)Lee & Shannon HopeBen E Thompson (a)454kg70

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« 2016-Sep-07, 11:08 AM Reply #44 »
Race 1 - 12:25PM Sofitel Girls' Day Out Handicap (2500 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $90,000.1st $49,500, 2nd $16,200, 3rd $8,100, 4th $4,500, 5th $2,700, 6th $1,800, 7th $1,800, 8th $1,800, 9th $1,800, 10th $1,800
Handicap, Minimum Weight 54.5kg, Weight Raised 0.5kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM
NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
131x221x665ALMANDIN (GER)Robert HickmottNicholas Hall1158kg97
20059x576x9CRAFTY CRUISERBryce StanawayJye McNeil (a)1255kg91
3x605083222BLACK TOMAHAWKDarren WeirCraig Williams454kg86
45x14657111TRY FOURDarren WeirMichael Dee (a)554kg86
5540x007511REFECTORY (IRE)Richard LamingCraig Newitt954kg85
6541340x654LUCQUESMathew Ellerton & Simon ZahraDamian Lane854kg84
7362x083111O’LONERACindy AldersonDwayne Dunn354kg81
81x4690x098MANALAPAN (IRE)Cameron TempletonDarren Gauci1054kg81
911x0x00915AUTHORITARIANLee & Anthony FreedmanDaniel Moor754kg74
10503133x900SPUR ON GOLDPat CareyPatrick Moloney154kg73
110x23135321RIYADH (NZ)Peter HealeyBen Allen (a)254kg67
12124x91259WHITE DOLLAR SIGNJohn ThomMs Holly McKechnie654kg65
13539221x906COULSONTodd BalfourRegan Bayliss (a)1354kg57


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« 2016-Sep-07, 04:39 PM Reply #45 »
It would be good if the races Authorized is sampling were relevant to the Melbourne Cup but not even the 100/1 winner last year ran through them.  I am struggling to think of any Melbourne Cup winner who has.  Or even a contender.  Its just not where Melbourne Cup horses campaign.

The haystack isn't quite that big.


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« 2016-Sep-07, 05:42 PM Reply #46 »
Shimrano whether he wins here or not has to be a Melbourne Cup prospect.

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« 2016-Sep-07, 08:39 PM Reply #47 »
It looks to me like he was  (on paper at least) outclassed in the German Derby and well beaten in a 3000m race at Chantilly.  We have seen a few of similar over the years and they don't profile that well.  I have respect for the trainers and they had some success with Lucas Cranach but he was better credentialed than this one and without the convictions.

In any case Shimrano will need to hit the ground running in Australia because he will have to win his way into the cup fields unlike Lucas and Protectionist who were walk up starts.
Maybe they will be breaking new ground with this one.  They'll need to.

On the other hand, looking into the results of these two races there has been some useful results from a Caulfield Cup perspective (Green Moon 2nd (to December Draw) in 2011 then 2nd in Caulfield Cup and Master O'Rielly won both races in 2007) but nothing much from a Melbourne Cup angle.

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« 2016-Sep-09, 10:24 PM Reply #48 »
Shimrano likes 2200.
Not 3200.
 8-)
How about I'll Fly Away..Weir mare from UK ..2 out of 2!
Not nominated.
Galileo out of Twyla by Danehill.
Twyla was famous due to ?

Best in Show family....
« Last Edit: 2016-Sep-09, 10:29 PM by Shogun Lodge »

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« 2016-Sep-10, 08:39 AM Reply #49 »
Is Our Ivanhoe heading to MC or just CC?


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