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« 2016-Nov-02, 05:59 AM Reply #1 »
almandinmelbourne-cupgroup-1_01-11-2016_win_flemington_7__1264Melbourne Cup runner-up Heartbreak City hopes to one day return

A part-owner of Melbourne Cup runner-up Heartbreak City hopes to one day return and collect victory in the coveted race.

Aidan Shiels, on his his first trip for the Cup, hopes to be back in 12 months with Heartbreak City following his long-head second to Almandin.

“We’ll have a few drinks with the handicapper here and if he’s not too hard on us, we’ll be back,” Shiels said.

“It’s a great place to come and to be involved in this race.”

Shiels went into Tuesday’s race hoping for a top ten finish and was over the moon with Heartbreak City’s performance to finish second.

“You can’t go crying over spilt milk,” Shiels said.

“There’s no giving up. The horse gave 120 per cent, so what more can you ask for.

“I wouldn’t say we didn’t get home, the winner just beat us fair and square on the day.”

Shiels said the team would party until the return trip home.

“Second (place), we’re going to drink tonight and many other nights,” he said.

“By God, we’re not gonna cry.”

Darren Dance, manager of Australian Thoroughbred Bloodstock, purchased a 40 per cent share in Heartbreak City following the gelding’s win in the Ebor at York in August.

For Dance it was his second placing at the hands of Lloyd Williams in a big Cup race in Melbourne after the ATB-owned Dandino was beaten by Fawkner in the 2013 Caulfield Cup.

It was also a second placing for Dance in the Cup after Jakkalberry finished third behind the Williams-owned Green Moon in 2012.

“Lloyd’s hard to beat in this race and that’s what he specialises in,” Dance said.

“They can buy horses that are worth a lot more than we can afford to spend.

“At the end of the day we have to work really hard and smart to find those horses that fly under the radar.

“We’ve got a pretty good system of identifying the right horses so we’ve just got to keep doing the work and one day it will be our turn.”


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« 2016-Nov-02, 06:01 AM Reply #2 »
Race 7 - 3:00PM Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 50kg, Weight Raised 1kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 

Field Limit: 24
NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
17x5x23x11xBIG ORANGE (GB)Michael BellJamie Spencer757kgxxx117
20x5501x586OUR IVANHOWE (GER)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDwayne Dunn657kgxxx116
3x300x620x9CURREN MIROTIC (JPN)Osamu HirataTommy Berry1856.5kgxxx116
41220x11x33BONDI BEACH (IRE)Aidan O'BrienRyan Moore556kgxxx116
51413x18353EXOSPHERIC (GB)Lee & Anthony FreedmanDamien Oliver1356kgxxx117
650x5x21112HARTNELL (GB)John O'SheaJames McDonald1256kgxxx123
70324x65272WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)Chris WallerHugh Bowman2056kgxxx115
83333x26431WICKLOW BRAVE (GB)William MullinsFrankie Dettori2456kgxxx117
9x9065x8084ALMOONQITH (USA)David & B Hayes & T DabernigMichael Walker1954.5kgxxx112
10069x031x27GALLANTE (IRE)Robert HickmottBlake Shinn254.5kgxxx114
118533x72691GRAND MARSHAL (GB)Chris WallerBen Melham954.5kgxxx115
125324x47121JAMEKACiaron MaherNicholas Hall354.5kg2.0kg119
1300x101x11xHEARTBREAK CITY (FR)Tony MartinJoao Moreira2354kgxxx113
142x1322x210SIR JOHN HAWKWOOD (IRE)John P ThompsonBlake Spriggs1454kg1.5kg114
1517x20x9834EXCESS KNOWLEDGE (GB)Gai Waterhouse & Adrian BottVlad Duric2153.5kgxxx111
16x6153x1553BEAUTIFUL ROMANCE (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorDamian Lane152.5kgxxx110
17x221x66511ALMANDIN (GER)Robert HickmottKerrin McEvoy1752kg1.0kg108
188x1153x921ASSIGN (IRE)Robert HickmottMs Katelyn Mallyon2252kg1.0kg104
1932x1837x82GREY LION (IRE)Matt CumaniGlen Boss1652kgxxx107
2011x4017x31OCEANOGRAPHER (GB)Charlie ApplebyChad Schofield1152kg1.0kg107
21361x2x12x1SECRET NUMBER (GB)Saeed Bin SuroorStephen Baster1052kgxxx112
223254x06737PENTATHLON (NZ)John WheelerMark Du Plessis451.5kgxxx102
2322x0Fx22x1QEWY (IRE)Charlie ApplebyCraig Williams1551.5kg0.5kg107
2462102x0940ROSE OF VIRGINIA (NZ)Lee & Shannon HopeBen E Thompson (a)851kgxxx100
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« 2016-Nov-02, 06:09 AM Reply #3 »
Almandin and Heartbreak City have come away from the rest of the field by a massive ( near enough ) 7 lengths taking out the classy but outstayed Hartnell. They can expect massive hikes in their weights. Be interesting to see which one has the more weight when they are released.


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« 2016-Nov-02, 08:12 AM Reply #4 »
Why would it be massive? What did the Diva go up by and given she was supposedly our greatest horse ever in some minds, Almadin would surely go up by less :chin:
3 kg I reckonat the most.

1 or 2 runs in the autumn then a WFA, no penalty prep for the 2nd assult

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« 2016-Nov-02, 01:12 PM Reply #5 »
Back a German bred!

If Vadamos wins this weekend he'll be 1/10 on to be retired to stud the next day   :lol:

Good news for stud careers of Fiorente, Protectionist and Lucas Cranach.

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« 2016-Nov-02, 01:35 PM Reply #6 »
Why would it be massive? What did the Diva go up by and given she was supposedly our greatest horse ever in some minds, Almadin would surely go up by less :chin:
3 kg I reckonat the most.

1 or 2 runs in the autumn then a WFA, no penalty prep for the 2nd assult

Forget what weights Makybe Diva carried, her history has nothing to do with what weight any horse will carry in next years cup.

The only thing that will stop Almandin and Heartbreak City being given massive hikes in weight is the quality of the horses that are nominated next year.


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« 2016-Nov-02, 03:08 PM Reply #7 »
Horse 1200m 1000m 800m FINISH
17. Almandin (GER) 1:10.87 (16) 58.54 (17) 46.74 (14) 3:20.58 (1)
13. Heartbreak City (FR) 1:11.11 (14) 58.83 (14) 46.91 (13) 3:20.59 (2)
6. Hartnell (GB) 1:12.34 (9) 1:00.03 (9) 48.06 (9) 3:21.31 (3)
23. Qewy (IRE) 1:12.91 (8) 1:00.62 (7) 48.65 (7) 3:21.68 (4)
7. Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) 1:11.20 (24) 58.90 (24) 47.17 (24) 3:21.68 (5)
9. Almoonqith (USA) 1:11.84 (18) 59.54 (18) 47.56 (18) 3:21.68 (6)
16. Beautiful Romance (GB) 1:11.70 (22) 59.45 (21) 47.48 (22) 3:21.86 (7)
5. Exospheric (GB) 1:12.26 (17) 59.97 (16) 48.01 (16) 3:22.00 (8)
22. Pentathlon (NZ) 1:12.01 (21) 59.63 (22) 47.83 (21) 3:22.15 (9)
1. Big Orange (GB) 1:13.76 (6) 1:01.45 (6) 49.41 (6) 3:22.16 (10)
11. Grand Marshal (GB) 1:12.27 (19) 59.93 (19) 48.04 (19) 3:22.21 (11)
20. Oceanographer (GB) 1:12.72 (15) 1:00.41 (15) 48.34 (15) 3:22.25 (12)
4. Bondi Beach (IRE) 1:12.35 (20) 1:00.03 (20) 48.14 (20) 3:22.38 (13)
19. Grey Lion (IRE) 1:14.16 (7) 1:01.80 (8) 49.85 (8) 3:22.91 (14)
12. Jameka 1:13.89 (10) 1:01.51 (10) 49.48 (10) 3:22.96 (15)
2. Our Ivanhowe (GER) 1:14.01 (12) 1:01.73 (11) 49.75 (11) 3:23.26 (16)
15. Excess Knowledge (GB) 1:15.38 (2) 1:03.01 (2) 50.91 (2) 3:23.28 (17)
18. Assign (IRE) 1:15.75 (5) 1:03.50 (5) 51.45 (5) 3:24.14 (18)
14. Sir John Hawkwood (IRE) 1:13.95 (23) 1:01.60 (23) 49.73 (23) 3:24.15 (19)
10. Gallante (IRE) 1:14.96 (13) 1:02.63 (13) 50.71 (12) 3:24.39 (20)
21. Secret Number (GB) 1:16.84 (1) 1:04.42 (1) 52.27 (1) 3:24.47 (21)
8. Wicklow Brave (GB) 1:16.75 (4) 1:04.39 (4) 52.35 (4) 3:24.89 (22)
3. Curren Mirotic (JPN) 1:17.54 (3) 1:05.20 (3) 53.02 (3) 3:25.54 (23)
24. Rose of Virginia (NZ) 1:31.24 (11) 1:18.75 (12) 1:06.23 (17) 3:40.32 (24)

https://www.racing.com/form/2016-11-01/flemington/race/7/results

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« 2016-Nov-02, 04:28 PM Reply #8 »
Please explain ?

Define 'massive' for me.

Makybe copped 4.5kg (10lbs) from her first cup to her second.  I reckon Almandin will cop 5kg - depending on what else in nominated. 

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« 2016-Dec-10, 08:48 AM Reply #9 »
Please explain ?

Define 'massive' for me.

Makybe copped 4.5kg (10lbs) from her first cup to her second.  I reckon Almandin will cop 5kg - depending on what else in nominated.

That will take him to 57 kgs. In todays language and Melbourne Cup that is massive.


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« 2017-Apr-24, 02:33 PM Reply #10 »
Might start compiling weights for this years Melbourne Cup.

Would be happy to get help from  your good self ( or anybody ) PP7  :yes:

How much weight should Heartbreak City be giving to Almandin ?




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« 2017-Apr-24, 02:53 PM Reply #11 »
Antiquarium
Astronereus
Beautiful Romance
Bondi Beach
Chemical Charge
Dal Harraild
Elidor
Francis Of Assisi
Harbour Law
Oceanographer
Order Of St George
Polarisation
Qewy
Vazirabad
Ventura Storm
Wall Of Fire

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« 2017-Apr-24, 05:08 PM Reply #12 »


Will a new board at RVL save the cups?

Any idea that Australian punters, or others, are still looking forward to the spring and Flemington carnivals in November must be facing a reality check.

End September is the end of the section -- after that the risk of smokey surprises is too great.

Cup day must surely be the worst day to bet all year  -- and punters will remember.

I am planning on flying out in October and will take only a passing interest in the nonsense that no longer passes for 'great racing'  -- token bets emailed as foreign orders.


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« 2017-Apr-24, 05:14 PM Reply #13 »
BM106 = 53.5 but for some reason Greg Carpenter refuses to go along with his own scale.

Antiquarium.......................................105
Astronereus.......................................111
Beautiful Romance............................110
Bondi Beach......................................116.........................56 ( Last year ) bm116
Chemical Charge...............................107
Dal Harraild........................................109
Elidor..................................................108
Francis Of Assisi................................103.........................BM107 = 52/52.5
Harbour Law.......................................114
Oceanographer..................................104..........................BM107 0 52
Order Of St George............................120-                       
Polarisation.........................................102
Qewy...................................................104...........................BM107 51.5
Torcedor..............................................101+
Vazirabad............................................117
Ventura Storm.....................................113............................BM106 = 52
Wall Of Fire.........................................107

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« 2017-Apr-24, 06:08 PM Reply #14 »
Those currently high up in the TAB market

HARTNELL......................................115...................................58
JAMEKA..........................................118...................................57.5
ALMANDIN......................................114...................................57.5
SCOTTISH.......................................112..................................56.5
HUMIDOR.......................................112...................................56.5
EXOSPHERIC.................................111...................................56
THE UNITED STATES.....................111...................................56
BONDI BEACH................................107...................................54
SIR ISAAC NEWTON.......................107..................................54
VENTURA STORM..........................107...................................54
JON SNOW......................................107..................................54
LIBRAN............................................107...................................54
QEWY...............................................107..................................54
GINGERNUTS.................................106...................................53.5
POLARISATION...............................106..................................53.5
PRIZED ICON..................................106..................................53.5
BIG DUKE........................................104..................................52.5
BONNEVAL......................................107...................................52
ANTONIO GIUSEPPE.....................103...................................52
SACRED MASTER..........................103...................................52
HARLEM..........................................101...................................51
INFERENCE....................................100...................................50.5
LA BELLA DIOSA.............................103..................................50
GREY LION......................................99....................................50
LASQUETI SPIRIT...........................102..................................49.5
PENGLAI PAVILION.........................98...................................49.5
SARRASIN.......................................98....................................49.5
KINEMA............................................97....................................49
ALOFT..............................................97....................................49
OUR CENTURY...............................96.....................................48.5
RAW IMPULSE................................95.....................................48
SECOND WAVE...............................95....................................48
BIG BLUE.........................................93.....................................47
HANS HOLBEIN...............................90....................................45.5
HARLOW GOLD..............................94.....................................45.5
SO SI BON.......................................86.....................................43.5
ORMITO...........................................85....................................43
GALLIC CHIEFTAIN.........................83....................................42
ESTEBAN.........................................81...................................41
ANAHEIM.........................................80...................................40.5
CROCODILE ROCK........................79....................................40



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« 2017-Apr-25, 10:16 AM Reply #15 »

Hugo Palmer

WALL OF FIRE:

Over the winter he was brought by an Australian, so the Melbourne Cup or the Caulfield Cup will be his priorities towards the end of the year. He needs to qualify for the Melbourne Cup, hopefully by winning a Listed race or being placed in the a Group race.

So having been beaten an inch in the Further Flight at Nottingham this month it was quite frustrating. Winning that would have taken the pressure off a bit.

We could go for the Al Rayyan Stakes, or also go to the Yorkshire Cup, or the Ormonde - the three races are ten days apart. I’d like to think he will run in one, Crimean Tatar will run in another and To Be Wild will run in the third one.

Being married to an Australian, the hope is that he might be able to pay for a vit to the in-laws at the end of the year.


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« 2017-Apr-25, 10:41 AM Reply #16 »
How's Lloyd going to get Crocodile Rock into the cup with a BM of 70

Should have run in he Autumn

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« 2017-Apr-25, 11:02 AM Reply #17 »
How's Lloyd going to get Crocodile Rock into the cup with a BM of 70

Should have run in he Autumn
Probably try the same thing they did with Almandin.

Win a qualifying race  after the cup weights are released.

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« 2017-Apr-25, 01:40 PM Reply #18 »
Hans Holbein might rise to about 48.5 kgs after that facile effort at Flemington.

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« 2017-Apr-25, 01:50 PM Reply #19 »
If Lucques is the yardstick, Hans Holbein was more impressive than Almandin in the Bart Cummings.

Just needs to be away from very firm tracks.

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« 2017-Apr-25, 02:44 PM Reply #20 »
If Lucques is the yardstick, Hans Holbein was more impressive than Almandin in the Bart Cummings.

Just needs to be away from very firm tracks.

Looking at the form there is no reason not to use him as a measuring stick.

Almandin 55 Lucques 54  ------- 4.55 lengths
Hans Holbein 52.5 Lucques 54 ------- 8 lengths

His problem is getting into the race.



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« 2017-Apr-25, 05:31 PM Reply #21 »
Hans Holbein was given no chance as the pacemaker in Golden Horn's English Derby.
He still ran really well.

Should have been in Sydney for the two million dollar cup.

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« 2017-Apr-25, 08:28 PM Reply #22 »
Hans Holbein was given no chance as the pacemaker in Golden Horn's English Derby.
He still ran really well.

Should have been in Sydney for the two million dollar cup.

I reckon Lloyd has it all planned out  :whistle:


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