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Offline nemisis

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« 2017-Sep-20, 10:26 PM Reply #75 »
Evening Gents. The comparison with the Godolphin is drawing a long bow. As far as I know Hawkes , Snowden, O'Shea and later James Cummings have never been afflicted by that virus known as laryngitis. That cannot be said for Rogerson , Plumb and now this chap Hickmott. They either are regularly suffering from this virus or have been gagged by someone else. If they are really training racehorses under the terms of their license then why are they so media shy. Gee I have come up with an answer. The billionaire who employs them has told them to shut their mouths. Thats what bullies can do. What regulatory authorities can do is ensure that no one is above  the requirements of the license. Sadly Racing Victoria for whatever reasons lack that courage.
Stating the obvious here but instructing an employee not to speak to the media is not against any rules.

Being a private set up they don't need to promote themselves so they don't need the media.

Hickmott has been there a while and might be very comfortable in that situation.
He does after all get to work with some very fine bloodstock.

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« 2017-Sep-20, 10:47 PM Reply #76 »
Maybe Racing should be like every other sport such as Tennis where the participants are required to put something back into the Sport and converse with the media rather than go this blokes way and rip as much out for themselves as possible. But then again hard to see Racing Victoria having the balls to do what most major sports around the World have seen the need to do when this bloke tells them under what terms he will participate. Better let you go Nemisis. It is late and you are probably required there early to pick up whatever he tells you and Robert to pick up.

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« 2017-Sep-21, 08:45 AM Reply #77 »
Don't take it personally Gunbower but I won't be selecting you for my debating team.

All you have to do is support your argument that their training establishment is non-compliant.

Seems to me that either Lloyd or his son handle the media.......it is a private training situation.

By the way the colours are navy blue.
 

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« 2017-Sep-21, 09:28 AM Reply #78 »
I think Gun has a point if it is to complain that Lloyd attempts to avoid the regulatory responsibilities imposed on trainers by employing a fall-guy. 

He is being allowed to make a mockery of the regulations even though he, and his operation, is of immense value to the game (industry).

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« 2017-Sep-21, 08:41 PM Reply #79 »
Yes very well put JWH. Williams by installing a fall guy , as you so aptly put is, simply ensuring that he and the rest of his flock place themselves outside the scope of any regulations. Complete farce. Do you remember when Rogerson accepted the Melbourne Cup Trophy, he flew in from New Zealand. Do you think if you were in fact training a live chance in the greatest handicap race in the World you might be a chance of being in the Country ? You and gun are right on the money with this nonsense.

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« 2017-Sep-21, 10:21 PM Reply #80 »
Evening Gents. The comparison with the Godolphin is drawing a long bow. As far as I know Hawkes , Snowden, O'Shea and later James Cummings have never been afflicted by that virus known as laryngitis. That cannot be said for Rogerson , Plumb and now this chap Hickmott. They either are regularly suffering from this virus or have been gagged by someone else. If they are really training racehorses under the terms of their license then why are they so media shy. Gee I have come up with an answer. The billionaire who employs them has told them to shut their mouths. Thats what bullies can do. What regulatory authorities can do is ensure that no one is above  the requirements of the license. Sadly Racing Victoria for whatever reasons lack that courage.

Denham didn't speak with the media.

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« 2017-Sep-21, 11:25 PM Reply #81 »
Another crap argument. He was a licensed public trainer nothing to do with what has been  discussed here.

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« 2017-Sep-22, 07:53 AM Reply #82 »
There is no point in Racing Victoria's integrity people spending any time and effort to fight something that would tick every box.

If R Hickmott is indeed a fall guy maybe he is a happy one.

Lets pursue the real villains in racing......Vlahos, Peter Foster and $1000 vitamin injections.

Let's make sure the playing field is level and Vic's leading trainer and his assistant aren't up to their old tricks.

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« 2017-Sep-22, 10:20 AM Reply #83 »
Just for those who use twitter.

https://twitter.com/TeamWilliamsFan

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« 2017-Sep-24, 08:04 PM Reply #86 »
Thanks Auth trimmed 5 points.

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« 2017-Oct-07, 08:40 AM Reply #87 »
Lloyd Williams on That's Racing this week described himself as a racehorse trainer, so there is no secret about it.

When asked about his Mel. Cup winners he said that Efficient was easily the best.

He also described Almandin as a good handicapper.
 
Not sure if he wins this year if anyone else will remember him as just a good handicapper.

Maybe just not comfortable with having the favourite this far out.

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« 2017-Oct-07, 10:07 AM Reply #88 »
The only reason Almandin is "just" a handicapper is because there are no proper top class races at 2600m and beyond. If we had WFA races over and above that journey he'd be winning at "WFA" level.


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« 2017-Oct-07, 10:10 AM Reply #89 »
THe Bart Cummings today is not a gimme for Almandin, Harlem and Amelie's Star and a one or two others will stretch him.

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« 2017-Oct-07, 03:01 PM Reply #90 »
I like Amelie's Star as a stayer, form out to this trip is untapped, has a good shot at qualifying in her next two runs and getting in light. This could be a maintenance run for Almandin?

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« 2017-Oct-07, 05:56 PM Reply #91 »
I like Amelie's Star as a stayer, form out to this trip is untapped, has a good shot at qualifying in her next two runs and getting in light. This could be a maintenance run for Almandin?
Oliver very kind to Almandin and fair enough I suppose.

Very happy to see Grand Duke Of Tuscany ridden to his strength......doesn't quicken but doesn't stop either.

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« 2017-Oct-07, 06:09 PM Reply #92 »
Sammatt,

Well called!

Fours

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« 2017-Oct-08, 07:54 PM Reply #93 »
I like Amelie's Star as a stayer, form out to this trip is untapped, has a good shot at qualifying in her next two runs and getting in light. This could be a maintenance run for Almandin?

On face value it looked a bit like that but the splits show he was running along in the middle sections.

In hindsight it was a pretty good run considering where he was.

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« 2017-Oct-08, 08:12 PM Reply #94 »
So Nemisis it seems " Lloyd " has declared he is a racehorse trainer. Only problem with that is that the Rules of Racing insist that such persons are licensed with the regulatory authorities. Sadly your hero is not. If Racing Victoria had any balls they would refuse the nomination of any horses owned in his name until he had applied and satisfied the relevant authorities as to his credentials the same as anyone else has to do. The days of using "fall guys " because this bloke and his insufferable son have fat wallets should be well and truly over.

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« 2017-Oct-09, 06:54 AM Reply #95 »


Go  gunner,

............planning to be in France in November, to minimise the exposure to the RVL/VRC wealth hazard........I have been ignoring all stuff about the wrecked cup.

However looking to see a bit more about 'gunner' I found a rich vein of agreement about some concerns with transparency and integrity -- and consistency, given the penalty for having suspect owners.


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« 2017-Oct-09, 08:12 AM Reply #96 »
Repeating myself here Gunbower but a wealthy man employing a private trainer is not against any rules.

Bit concerned about taking on the newly formed Gunner and Peter Mair alliance though.

More the integrity issue should be the oral treatment administered to Lovani on the way to Flemington.

EPO type boosts  make it very difficult for honest people to participate in any sport.
 
 

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« 2017-Oct-09, 09:05 AM Reply #97 »
Of course he can employ who he likes , that is not the point. The point is that if he is calling himself a horse trainer then he should have a licence or his nomination of horses should not be permitted. Gee the stewards were all over Ciaron Maher not allowing his brother to be a trainer because of a perceived lack of qualifications. How is it then that someone like Hickmott suddenly turns up training a barn full of horses and no one cares ! By the way I suggest the "Alliance" may have some deep seated problems going forward.


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