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O.P. « 2017-Feb-23, 09:12 AM »
Race 2 - SCHWEPPES SYDNEY CUP (3200 METRES)
Of $2,000,000.1st $1,170,000, 2nd $380,000, 3rd $200,000, 4th $90,000, 5th $50,000, 6th $20,000, 7th $20,000, 8th $20,000, 9th $15,000, 10th $15,000, Equine Welfare Fund $20,000. GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM
 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerBallotWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
15501x5860xOUR IVANHOWE (GER)H7Lee & Anthony Freedman157kg111
23x726910x9GRAND MARSHAL (GB)G7Chris Waller2=55.5kg108
3x6527255x3WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)G8Chris Waller2=55.5kg108
4x341112x87LIBRAN (IRE)G6Chris Waller455kg107
5x808462x00ALMOONQITH (USA)H7David & B Hayes & T Dabernig5=54.5kg105
613061x00x5TAVAGO (NZ)G4Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young5=54kg105
766x5340x54MAGIC HURRICANE (IRE)G7John O'Shea5=53.5kg105
86x511112x1ANTONIO GIUSEPPE (NZ)G4Chris Waller852.5kg103
93x02303x37TALLYG4John O'Shea952.5kg102
10153x9210x7ASSIGN (IRE)G6Robert Hickmott1052kg101
11x450x42312CHANCE TO DANCE (IRE)G7Robert Hickmott11=51.5kg100
12211x444481MASTER OF ARTS (NZ)H5Darren Weir11=50kg100
13x850202x09AMBIENCEM4John O'Shea1350kg99
14611x92384xHARLEM (GB)H5David & B Hayes & T Dabernig14=50.5kg98
151170x41x75KINEMA (IRE)G6Chris Waller14=50.5kg98
1650100x6053MISTER IMPATIENCE (GB)G7Michael Moroney14=50.5kg98
173x0x85x10xPENGLAI PAVILION (USA)G7Charlie Appleby14=50.5kg98
18361844831xPURPLE SMILEG6David & B Hayes & T Dabernig14=50.5kg98
19917x277x41ASTRONOMOS (GB)G6John P Thompson19=50kg97
20x081582171CHENILLE (NZ)M5Tony Pike19=50kg97
21x266223x69TOM MELBOURNE (IRE)G6Lee & Anthony Freedman19=50kg97
22x067379x97PENTATHLON (NZ)G5John Wheeler2250kg95
2342x9533x32ALEGRIAM5John O'Shea23=50kg93
243x1x421121BIG DUKE (IRE)G5Darren Weir23=50kg93
25x42x513x41OUR CENTURY (IRE)G6Robert Hickmott2550kg92
265x67952044LORD VAN PERCY (GB)G7Darren Weir26=50kg90
2745x52482x5VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE)G5Michael Moroney26=50kg90
288111511x50PACORUS (NZ)G5Chris Wood2850kg89
293065205309PERFECT START (NZ)M7Wayne Hillis29=50kg88
3038x2x20x4xPOLARISATION (GB)G5Charlie Appleby29=50kg88
310x42172974SNOW SECRET (NZ)M5Shaune Ritchie3150kg87
32318x193123VANDANCER (NZ)M4Michael Moroney3250kg85
330x0x771135ANNUS MIRABILIS (IRE)G6Stuart Webb33=50kg83
3486750x7588LIKE A CAROUSELG7Ken Keys33=50kg83
353423414xDARABAD (FR)H4Robbie Laing35=50kg82
36124x431431ONCIDIUM RULERG5Michael Kent35=50kg82
375883533246SHALMANESERG6Jason Attard3750kg78
38110x740x06LAST WISH (NZ)G6John P Thompson3850kg77
391734IMPAVIDOG3Bjorn Baker3949kg74
405435323x63BAYANOVA (NZ)M6Michael Kent4050kg70
4125x7416x80MORE ENERGYG6Jason Coyle41=50kg68
422115x95628PARAGONG5John Sargent41=50kg68
43315x663162CILLA (NZ)M4John Sargent4350kg65
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« 2017-Feb-23, 09:13 AM Reply #1 »
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« 2017-Feb-23, 12:35 PM Reply #3 »
Any reason why Admire Deus isn't in the market on supertab?

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« 2017-Mar-15, 10:46 AM Reply #4 »
Annus Mirabilus has risen from a Victorian BM83 to a SA rating of 100 which is usually a point or 2 higher than Victoria and NSW.

Will he cop a penalty for the Sydney Cup ?

Master Of Arts has A NSW BM of 100 and is on 50 kgs.


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« 2017-Mar-15, 12:46 PM Reply #5 »
I had been waiting quite desperately for Annus Mirabilis to get on something other than a good 3.
Even rang my son who lives in Adelaide to make sure the track had got some rain.

We know the son of Montjeu can really stay.......but a heavy track?
He is not one of those big rangy horses that Montjeu can throw.

Authorized, or any one, can you help much with the dam's side?
Do you know if she is from an American dirt track family?

I hope they bring him.
Hard run for sure in Adelaide but didn't seemed to be completely bottomed out.
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« 2017-Mar-15, 08:29 PM Reply #6 »
Pedigree of Duke of Marmalade (IRE), bay stallion, 2004[58]
Sire
Danehill (USA)
1986
Danzig
1977
Northern DancerNearctic
Natalma*
Pas de NomAdmiral's Voyage
Petitioner
Rayzana
1981
His MajestyRibot
Flower Bowl
Spring AdieuBuckpasser
Natalma*
Dam
Love Me True (USA)
1998
Kingmambo
1990 
Mr. ProspectorRaise A Native*
Gold Digger
MiesqueNureyev
Pasadoble
Lassie's Lady
1981
AlydarRaise A Native*
Sweet Tooth
Lassie DearBuckpasser
Gay Missile (Family: 3-l)[59]

Don't know much about the dam's side dirt track performances. He is a half to Duke Of Marmalade. The Duke had one start on Soft going and won the G1 Prix Ganay at Longchamp over 10 and a half furlongs. Ruler Of The World (another Galileo half) won The Derby on a good track so there is little dirt form there.

The granddam Lassie's Lady had a Sanford Stakes winner (dirt) called Bite The Bullet. (The Sanford Stakes is most famous for being the race that Man 'O' War suffered his only defeat at the hands of his great rival Upset in 1919 - some say that the term "upset result" had it's genesis with this race).

The dam of Lassie's Lady, Lassie Dear had 3 stakes winners but only one in the US which won two Grade 3 races on dirt. Interestingly one of those three stakes winners was Foxhound who we are all familiar with out here as a sire.

This is a very good family! Where will he stand when his racing career is over?

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« 2017-Mar-15, 09:33 PM Reply #7 »
PP7 I can only say I'm impressed and thank you very much.
You have given me plenty of good information and heavy track should not be a problem.

I now remember when Lloyd bought him, he was a 1/2 brother to Duke Of Marmalade.

I was very taken by his cup win.
As well as being three wide the trip he traveled beautifully and looked the winner 1000 metres out.
Bayliss used the stick 8 times on him and you can see him answering every one.

Took some of the $26 in the all in today, but  he certainly does not owe me anything.
Just has to get past Tavago and a couple of Lloyds.

Unfortunately Lloyd removed his mating equipment so won't be standing anywhere.
 

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« 2017-Mar-15, 10:13 PM Reply #8 »
Annus rating up to 98 and he has been raised 1/2 a kilo to 50.5 and well inside the field cut off.


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« 2017-Mar-15, 10:53 PM Reply #9 »

Unfortunately Lloyd removed his mating equipment so won't be standing anywhere.

Stud Book still has him entire with his "equipment"

Annus Mirabilis (IRE) 2011
while in Australia this horse is deemed to be born in 2010 season
 Life Number: IRE45176846   bay stallion   Date of Birth: 08/04/2011


But Racing Australia has him missing it.

He gelded a horse with this pedigree  :what:


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« 2017-Mar-15, 11:01 PM Reply #10 »

He gelded a horse with this pedigree  :what:

He gelds them all unless they are pussy cats.

He gelded Sir Isaac Newton for  :censored:  sake.

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« 2017-Mar-24, 03:08 PM Reply #11 »
Jumped on Big Duke here at $9 Bet365 with just 50.5kg. Impressed with the 12 length gap he and Our Century put on the field last time, one of the best races i've seen for ages.

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« 2017-Apr-23, 07:34 PM Reply #12 »

Sydney Cup win was great but Melbourne Cup even greater

Patrick Bartley 
Published: April 23, 2017 - 3:17PM

Leading English trainer Charlie Appleby maintains that while the huge Godolphin racing outfit was elated with their first Sydney Cup success on Saturday, the stable was still firmly focused on winning this year's Melbourne Cup.

He said that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum contacted him an hour after the stable's success in Sydney and said while he was "highly delighted", the same emphasis on winning the Melbourne Cup would remain.

Appleby and his owner Sheikh Mohammed are fully aware that Australia's greatest handicap and one of the world's most important staying races has eluded one of the world's most powerful stables for two decades.

The vast world operation has captured nearly every major race around the world, however the Melbourne cup is one race they have struggled to win.

Appleby explained that Polarisation, the winner of the $2.1 million group 1 Sydney Cup, and stablemate Penglai Pavilion were sent to Sydney specifically as a "toe in the water" operation.

Both were excellent wet track performers and were held back from last year's Spring Carnival in Melbourne to compete in Sydney.

However, with another successful foray into Australia, the makeup of the Godolphin team in the spring for Melbourne will have "new and old faces coming down under for your races."

"While it was an outstanding success last spring with having stayers on different levels able to win races like the Bendigo and Geelong cups, it occurred to us that there are a lot more races on your calendar outside of the Melbourne Cup and we hope to be a part of them," Appleby said from England.

"Those two horses will come home from Sydney and that was our first real attempt at winning in Sydney and that's come up well so I'm sure we'll be a part of that carnival again next year.

"But as far as Melbourne is concerned, once we get those two horses home from Sydney, we'll see how they pull up and then in late July, we will sit down and make a list of horses that will be coming. There will be new faces and there will be horses that will be suited, perhaps at 1600 metres and 2000 metres. But that has to be all worked out in July."

Another that could well be coming for rich 2000-metre races was recent group 3 Earl Of Sefton placegetter Folkswood, a well thought-of middle distance performer in the Godolphin outfit.

Last year, Godolphin, while not managing to win the Melbourne Cup, was able to successfully win second tier staying races with stayers that were specifically aimed at the likes of Bendigo and Geelong cups.

"Your prize money is excellent and we realise we have some fine staying performers, and if they've got the right attitude to travel to Australia it will be a successful operation," he said.

At present Appleby said that he was currently busy with his two and three-year-old horses that were preparing for the rich English races later in the year and that was the reason he couldn't fly into Australia for Saturday's Sydney Cup.


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« 2017-Apr-24, 07:40 AM Reply #13 »
Sounds like we're about to be swamped.

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« 2017-Apr-24, 10:43 AM Reply #14 »
Sounds like we're about to be swamped.

We will be swamped if they keep handicapping horses that should be getting 54-55 kg with 51.5 kg in $2 million races.

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« 2017-Apr-24, 10:48 AM Reply #15 »
We will be swamped if they keep handicapping horses that should be getting 54-55 kg with 51.5 kg in $2 million races.

How do you come to that conclusion ?

Unless you believe European and Japanese horses are automatically superior how do you come to that conclusion ?


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« 2017-Apr-24, 10:59 AM Reply #16 »
How do you come to that conclusion ?

Unless you believe European and Japanese horses are automatically superior how do you come to that conclusion ?

I explained this earlier - not sure if it was this thread.

You could take a line between Penglai Pavillion and Almandin via a couple of horses and this horse should not have gotten 51.5 kg - in my most humblest opinion. He was a 4 kg superior horse to Almandin. Didn't do him any good but that is beside the point.

I cannot win in handicapping discussions. Here I was arguing that Spieth should have got less weight in the Newmarket because he hadn't won the necessary races to gain that whereas the Quarterback had, and people were arguing it doesn't matter what races they have won.

But if I argue that Penglai Pavillion and Polarisation should have got more weight because of the races they have won then someone will tell me I'm wrong  :)

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« 2017-Apr-24, 11:24 AM Reply #17 »
Not sure what races Penglai Pavillion has won that indicate he should have got more ?

Certainly on his form rather than what he won in 2013 he could have been allotted more weight.

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« 2017-Apr-24, 11:26 AM Reply #18 »
IF

IF

IF

IF handicaps are going to be group 1 races than surely they have to weighted with group 1 horses in mind ?

IF handicaps are going to be group 1 races than group 1 horses have to be encouraged to participate.



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