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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2018-Oct-05, 07:43 AM Reply #50 »
The ATC spot has gone to Godolphin's Home Of The Brave.

The market is very tight with 3 equal $7 favourites and the outsider is Le Romain at $21 - if there is more rain on the way I'd be tempted to have a place bet on him.

The winner US Navy Flag is now into $11 after having secured some $17 the other week in doubles. Alas the decision to dog the Metrop with Avilius knocked out half my bets.

These are the runners:

Trapeze Artist
Redzel
In Her Time
Shoals
Santa Ana Lane
Viddora
Home Of The Brave
Vega Magic
Le Romain
Graff
US Navy Flag
Brave Smash



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« 2018-Oct-05, 08:00 AM Reply #51 »
The Everest spin in NSW is certainly endless

Chris Roots in yesterday's herald was paraphrasing P V'Landys with lines like the race is "better than a Group 1" in a so called independent newspaper.

Considering it is the richest turf race in the world I'm sure one of the questions racing people around the world would have been asking is why Godolphin has not been involved?....especially when they have such a large presence here.
I did wonder if Sheik Mohammed didn't trust the salesman. ;)

Watching Jungle Cat give weight and a beating to some of Vics top sprinters would beg the question why isn't a horse like that in Sydney?

The ATC has now come to the rescue however at the last minute so now we can get the spin about Godolphin versus Coolmore.
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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:04 PM Reply #53 »
The Everest spin in NSW is certainly endless

Chris Roots in yesterday's herald was paraphrasing P V'Landys with lines like the race is "better than a Group 1" in a so called independent newspaper.

Considering it is the richest turf race in the world I'm sure one of the questions racing people around the world would have been asking is why Godolphin has not been involved?....especially when they have such a large presence here.
I did wonder if Sheik Mohammed didn't trust the salesman. ;)

Watching Jungle Cat give weight and a beating to some of Vics top sprinters would beg the question why isn't a horse like that in Sydney?

The ATC has now come to the rescue however at the last minute so now we can get the spin about Godolphin versus Coolmore.

Mate. Don't watch it then.

You are not obliged to take any interest in the race or make any comment for that matter - lest you be accused of being deliberately negative through some perverse jealousy of PVL and NSW racing.

To be brutally honest I have not anyone ask the question "why is Godolphin not involved" until you did just then.

Cracker of a race which is better than last year and will probably get better over the years as interest grows.

The hotels in Sydney are 95% booked out because of The Everest on that weekend. I heard someone mention today that it is worth $100 million to the local economy.

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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:07 PM Reply #54 »
https://omny.fm/shows/the-alan-jones-breakfast-show/opera-house-ceo-louise-herron-and-racing-nsw-ceo-p

Why is P V'Landys aligning himself with this type of bullying?

Stop trying to denigrate the race. You are so obvious mate.

Can you tell me do you live outside of NSW nemesis? Am trying to work out why you are so jealous  :what:


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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:12 PM Reply #55 »
Mate. Don't watch it then.
PVLand NSW racing.



The hotels in Sydney are 95% booked out because of The Everest on that weekend. I heard someone mention today that it is worth $100 million to the local economy.
And who was that someone?

Pretty rubbery figures I'd say.

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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:17 PM Reply #56 »
And who was that someone?

Pretty rubbery figures I'd say.

Alan Jones.

You are probably right. $100 million sounds too exact. Very similar to those figures they trundle out for the amount that things like the Melbourne Cup and the Australian Open "add to the economy". They all sound like bullshit to me.

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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:18 PM Reply #57 »
PP7

'the winner'......

Is the race rigged?

Fours

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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:24 PM Reply #58 »
So Star enticed some Triads here for a junket.

Anyone believe they'd only condescend to come because some race with fat cat identities they'd never heard of was on!




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« 2018-Oct-05, 06:26 PM Reply #59 »
PP7

'the winner'......

Is the race rigged?

Fours

Not rigged fours. No integrity problems in NSW   :lol:

I just liked the way he beat Merchant Navy and I don't think our current crop of sprinters is that good - we were spoilt a bit in recent years with Choisir, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti, Apache Cat, Lankan Rupee, the WA horse who won in the UK whose name escapes me, Chautauqua and a few others - and of course the unbeaten mare who was queen of them all.

Current crop not anywhere near that lot in class IMO.

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« 2018-Oct-05, 07:41 PM Reply #60 »
HOW DARE OPERA HOUSE CEO STAND IN THE PATH OF THE EVEREST

THE chief executive of the Sydney Opera House, Louise Herron, says she has agreed to light up the sails of the structure with jockeys' colours to promote the Everest horse race, but is resisting projecting words or branding onto the sails.

But in an extraordinary radio interview on Friday morning, this was not enough to appease 2GB shock jock Alan Jones nor the chief executive of Racing NSW, Peter V'landys, with Jones calling on the government to sack Ms Herron if she did not change her position.

JACOB SAULWICK & RACHEL CLUN report for the SYDNEY MORNING HERALD that an architect who helped build the Opera House has now defended Ms Herron, saying her offer to project the jockeys' colours was "very generous".

Racing NSW is pushing to hold the barrier draw for the $13 million horse race at the Opera House. This would involve projecting horses' names, jockeys' colours and the numbers of the barriers onto the Opera House sails.

But Ms Herron said she would not agree to projecting text onto the sails. (An illustration of this accompanies this story courtesy of FAIRFAX MEDIA).

"We have a policy that protects our world heritage status," she told Jones.

"So they're going to damage it are they?" Jones said. "We own the Opera House. Do you get that message? You don't. You manage it."

Jones said that, if she did not change her position, "if I were Gladys Berejiklian, I would pick up the phone and sack you today".

Ms Herron replied: "We have said yes to the Peter V'landys request to put the jockeys' colours on the sails. We have no problem with that.

"What we won't do is put text or videos of horse running or horses' numbers or names or the Everest logo on the Opera House," she said.

Video obtained by Fairfax Media of the official Racing NSW submission to the Opera House shows it wants large lists of horse names projected on the sails along with The Everest logo, video footage of horse racing and jockeys' colours.

In some shots in the 50-second concept video, the giant Everest logo does not fit on the sails properly, and it ends with a poorly etched horse and jockey racing across the sails.

When Jones asked why Ms Herron would not project the text and logo on the Opera House, she replied: "It's not a billboard."

Jones replied: "Who said? You. Who the hell do you think … who do you think you are?"

Mr V'landys also phoned in to the interview, and agreed with Jones that merely lighting up the Opera House sails with jockeys' colours would mean "nothing".

"You can't do a barrier draw without putting the horses' name and the number," Mr V'landys said. "That's the whole idea of the promotion ... to beam that around the world."

Mr V'landys said Racing NSW had agreed not to project the Everest logo onto the Opera House. "We met those demands."

But Racing NSW wants to project an image of the Everest cup onto the sails.

"Does the trophy say Everest Cup on it?" Ms Herron asked.

"It says Everest," Mr V'landys replied.

Mr V'landys also asked Ms Herron about an occasion in which rugby union branding was projected on to the Opera House sails.

"We were directed to do that," Ms Herron said.

"So why is racing being discriminated against?" Mr V'landys asked.

John Rourke, an architect who worked on the Opera House in the late 1960s and early 1970s, told the Herald he applauded Ms Herron's stance.

"Using the Opera House for what I think are crass commercial elements is wrong," he said.

"While I've got nothing against horse racing, I don't believe it does anything to enhance either the building or the cultural [values] that it represents."

Mr Rourke, who is the president of opusSOH - a group of architects, designers and consultants who worked on the building - said he did not think any major sporting event should be promoted on the Opera House sails.

"I think once you get into that - promoting commercial events - it’s a slippery slope," he said.

An Opera House policy on illuminating sails, published in 2012, said it aimed to manage requests for use of the sails, while protecting them from "exploitation".

The policy says approval for lighting the sails must not be "detrimental to the heritage values of the building", and is at the discretion of the chief executive. Logos and corporate identities are not to be projected, the policy says.

The Opera House has, however, been used for commercial and sporting purposes. For instance, in 2013, photographs from the public were projected onto the sails as part of a deal with Samsung, while the sails were also lit up for a victory in the Ashes cricdet series.  .

Jones, meanwhile, said Ms Herron should "put her resignation on the table today".

"You are completely out of your depth," he said to Ms Herron.

"I'm telling you that I will be speaking to Gladys Berejiklian in about five, three minutes and if you can't come to the party, Louise, you should lose your job."


The Herald has requested comment from Ms Berejiklian about the issue.

Labor leader Luke Foley told ABC Radio that the Opera House should be used to promote Sydney.

"What's being proposed here is, I think, reasonable," Mr Foley said.

"I didn't hear an outcry when the sails were lit up to promote the Mardi Gras or Ashes cricket," he said.

The Everest will be run at the Royal Randwick racecourse on Saturday, October 13.ENDS

Jones is a little pipsqueak trying to standover this woman fancy threatening her with the sack ...who does he think he is. :chair:


Giddy Up :beer:

 

 

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« 2018-Oct-05, 09:08 PM Reply #61 »
And surprise surprise the NSW PM has instructed the Opera House CEO to allow colours numbers and the Everest Trophy to be projected on to the sails.

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« 2018-Oct-05, 09:46 PM Reply #62 »
And surprise surprise the NSW PM has instructed the Opera House CEO to allow colours numbers and the Everest Trophy to be projected on to the sails.

Jones will claim the credit for this I expect ...but Louise won't be sacked that's a good outcome .

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2018-Oct-05, 10:52 PM Reply #63 »
It was pointed out during the day that the Opera House is already used extensively for display for things like Vivid and promoted a Wallabies game a few years back.

It would be gross hypocrisy to not allow it to be used for the barrier draw of the country's richest race.

The best reason Ms Herron could come up with for not using it was "it is not a billboard" but went mute when asked to explain the hypocrisy.

Put this one down as a win against the politically correctness that has enveloped our society.

The Opera House Trust is a statutory body. Racing NSW is a statutory body i.e. both Public Service.

In recent years we have seen the Public Service being overtaken by PC.

Thank God someone in government had the strength of character to actually tell a Public Servant to do as she is told for once instead of letting her tell all of us what to do (using some PC rule book that doesn't exist and which is what seems to be happening all the time now).

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« 2018-Oct-05, 11:06 PM Reply #64 »
So according to Ms Heron this is OK because "they were directed to do it".



But the idea of using the sails to promote a horse race has infuriated many, although NSW Opposition leader Luke Foley has come out in support of the idea, along with federal MP Anthony Albanese, who told ABC Sydney that people should “chill out a bit” and it was okay to use the Opera House as a “billboard”.

Herron faced 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones this morning, who said he’d be calling NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian to have her sacked if she did change her position.

“We own the Opera House. Do you get that message? You don’t. You manage it,” Jones said

“Who the hell do you think … who do you think you are?”

V’landys joined in on the phone interview with the two sites bickering over the proposal and Herron saying the Racing NSW boss was being “misleading” in his comments.

V’landys asked about the Wallabies logo being on the sails in an apparent contradiction to the policy.

“We were directed to do that,” Herron replied.

“Why is racing being discriminated against?” V’landys responded.


https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-everest-horse-race-sydney-opera-house-advertising-2018-10

Have no doubt about it. The underlying push to have it stopped came from the anti-gambling lobby which is feeling much stronger after the introduction of Point Of Consumption tax.

There is actually a large bunch of politically correct people out there who have already had online poker banned, and nearly had greyhounds banned, and are not far from getting jumps racing banned.

And they have in their sights getting all gambling banned - or taxed out of existence.

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« 2018-Oct-06, 08:24 AM Reply #65 »
Stop trying to denigrate the race. You are so obvious mate.

Can you tell me do you live outside of NSW nemesis? Am trying to work out why you are so jealous  :what:
PP7 If you want your threads to be for promotional comments only then say so :shrug:

I stand by my Godolphin comments and I suspect that the ATC were directed to get a Godolphin runner into the race.

No one deserves to be spoken to like the closeted lavatory loitering shock jock was speaking to Ms Heron.
 
Just as the race The Everest was based on, The Pegasus, has had to undergo changes, because of unsold slots after only 2 years, it's not difficult to see the same thing happening here.

The fact that the ATC and the TAB are slot holders says something.....doesn't it?

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« 2018-Oct-06, 08:49 AM Reply #66 »
Whom would be "directing" the ATC to get a particular runner in - regardless of whether it is Godolphin or not.  :what:

I don't know where you get these ideas from.

If the race fails after a few years because of unsold slots then it fails. How about you come back and tell us about it then if that happens rather than try and say whatever negative stuff it is you are trying to say now. You can gloat all you like then. But all things point to it being a success at this stage.

You should not take my attention to detail in what words you post personally. I do it to everybody. And I have nothing to do with the promotion of the race.

The negativity that envelops the internet deserves a comment or two sometimes and I'm just the sort of person to do that.

Doesn't matter if it is races named after mountains or people saying that the earth is about to end - I will point out when someone is overstating the negative stuff - go take a look at the Soap Box threads.

Geez you'd think a giant hole was about to open up and swallow us all up sometimes the way some of you carry on with your social media posts. Are you guys like this in real life  :/

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« 2018-Oct-06, 09:55 AM Reply #67 »
I will point out when someone is overstating the negative stuff - go take a look at the Soap Box threads.

Such as Climate change deniers?

  :biggrin:   :biggrin:


Nemisis
From other posts you seem a reasonable sorta bloke, In a nutshell, what is your problem with the race?

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« 2018-Oct-07, 09:45 AM Reply #68 »
I simply don't buy a lot of the bullsh#t we are fed about this race in NSW JWH.

Right from the very start this line that was trotted out, probably to justify the massive stake, that it won't cost the industry a cent.
Two of the slot holders namely the TAB and the ATC are from the industry.

The next big line was "the whole world is talking about the Everest' or the race making 'headlines around the world'
Recently I heard an interview with P V'Landys where he states when he was overseas no-one wanted to talk about the Mel Cup ....only The Everest.
Again it is total nonsense.

It must be very lonely for the US Navy Flag out at Canterbury while down in Werribee they are turning horses away.

By putting up the massive stake the intention here was for an immediate impact.
Good race?...yes.
Worth $13 mil?.....not in my book.

Now we have the $100 mil benefit to the economy  line being trotted out from everyone from our state minister of racing to our own resident spruiker.
This is a figure from the mouth of Alan Jones based on absolutely nothing.

More than a nutshell JWH but as condensed as I could make it.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 10:11 AM Reply #69 »
Seems that the thing you hate most about the race is the HYPE.

But really if you think about it the same cudgels could be used against the promotion of the Slipper, the Cup and the Cox Plate.



 

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« 2018-Oct-07, 01:03 PM Reply #70 »
The problem with NSW racing and the Everest concept is the marketing.

For a long time, tradition has shaped racing. Now it is follow the money and rent a crowd. We had the Golden Rose, then all into the QE stakes and Championship. Now it is the Everest.

As a Sydneysider, I can remember the major carnivals being promoted etc. The Epsom, Metropolitan etc used to be the culmination of the spring and have a very healthy crowd. Last week, the crowd was disappointing but as one member said it was good in some ways that the ATC is not promoting these days as atmosphere was pleasant without the party crowd.

The ATC need the party crowd to inflate the figures to prove their concept works. That is why the promotion of other race meetings have suffered.

The Slipper, Rose or any major races at Rosehill are now an afterthought. This is the issue with racing in NSW. Vlandys had a great success with Championship, Everest and prizemoney etc. However, they need to promote the other carnivals too as it will be healthy for racing.

Melbourne still runs rings around Sydney as a whole with its spring carnival and Melbourne Cup being the race that stops the nation.

When Winx retires, most of the Australian public would be switching off races until the Cup. The gloss has worn off the Championship due to the promotion of the Everest. As a punter and sports lover, I would love if there is a unified approach to the carnivals as racing will be the winner.

If you ask any major sports lover, a list of their top 3 or 5 events to watch in Australia, Melbourne Cup is probably the only racing event that will make the list.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 01:06 PM Reply #71 »
The concept is fundamentally flawed.

There are maybe 4 horses that have any realistic chance of recouping expenses, hence 8 that no slot holder would want to get stuck with.

So who will snare the best horses?

Obviously the slot holders with the most leasing clout!

So any prospective slot holder should look at the committed holders and determine if he has more clout than the 4th cloutiest.

If not they should fold!

So if logic prevails the slots would never get filled.

But of course v'Landys-speak prevails!

And I concur with nemisis and Jeunes.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 01:44 PM Reply #72 »
Two of Jones’ business partners in the horse racing industry have contenders in the $10 million race. A horse part-owned by Jones had also vied for a spot, while two of the runners were sired by a “super stallion” he co-owns.



https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/the-everest-horses-alan-jones-will-have-his-eye-on-20181006-p5086j.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1538868189


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« 2018-Oct-07, 02:01 PM Reply #73 »
A lot of criticisms you guys attach to The Everest could apply to a lot of other stuff outside of NSW.

For example, if the hype upsets you where are your criticisms of the Magic Millions hype?

The promotion of the Melbourne Cup as an international event has cost Racing Victoria a bomb. But it has turned into a marketing event for the Victorian government and international tourism. None of us that have followed racing all our lives, and loved the local legends of the turf, know who four fifths of the field even are.

What do you think about that and tradition Jeunes?

But this is the age we live in. If you haven't realized that yet you probably never will.

Or if you wanted to be taken as fair dinkum then please apply your criticisms across all states, not just NSW.

Lest we will write you off as just another basher of the big state which we get used to believe it or not   :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-07, 02:36 PM Reply #74 »
PP, the problem with criticising anything Vlandys or Jones supports is straightaway you are seen as against them. That is why people don’t like to debate  or criticise as people jump down your throats.

Here is a question for you PP, do you think that the ATC should also promote it’s other carnivals too. I am yet to hear or read how much  the ATC spends time n the Everest compared to rest of the carnivals.

In regards to MM, have you asked why the state governments should support a private individual instead of the Brisbane Racing carnival especially if it is a closed shop for the horses racing can only be there based on sales. I am not knocking the concept of MM but will the Qld Industry be better off with the winter carnival promotion?

The Melbourne Cup and its love for international raiders is demeaning the Cup in some ways but it is a victim of it’s own success internationally. I am having a hard time understanding why a horse can win a G1 race over 2000m but cannot get automatic qualification into the race while a G3 winner in Melbourne or internationally can.

This the scourge of Australian racing. The lack of unity compared to other sports. If we had an unified approach, we could be promoting Melbourne Cup, Everest jointly everywhere with reduced costs to the industry.





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