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Offline PoisonPen7

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O.P. « 2018-Jul-13, 08:04 AM »
A thread for news about the 2018 race.

This thread was hijacked by social media trolls.

There is another thread for the actual race now.

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« 2018-Jul-13, 08:08 AM Reply #1 »
Chautauqua was having a jump out this morning that will decide if he races on and tackles The Everest

Berry flies in for Chautauqua jumpout

Tommy Berry will fly into Melbourne from Hong Kong to ride Chautauqua in an all-important jumpout - as D-Day looms large for the champion grey.

In a move that goes against the Hong Kong Jockey Club's policy to disallow their contracted jockeys to go abroad for anything other than rides on Group 1 race days, the HKJC have allowed Berry a special leave ticket to rejoin forces with the grey who he has famously partnered to five of the horse's six Group 1 victories.

Chautauqua's career was at a crossroads in the autumn period, after he refused to leave the barriers at the trials on multiple occasions.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/its-business-as-usual-as-chautauqua-faces-trial-of-truth/news-story/509e8e6ebcb4997c7fbf41034f5db2f4

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« 2018-Jul-13, 08:27 AM Reply #2 »
So far the entries a

Slotholder Horse Trainer
AQUIS Farm Trapeze Artist Gerald Ryan
TABCorp In Her Time Benjamin Smith
Yulong Investments Redzel P & P Snowden
Chris Waller Brave Smash Darren Weir
The Star Shoals Anthony Freedman
James Harron

Coolmore

ATC

Max Whitby

GP1 Racing

Inglis Santa Ana Lane Anthony Freedman
Damion Flower English Gai Waterhouse


Darren Weir is keen for a second runner with Nature Strip.

Pat Webster is hoping the ATC might use their slot for Happy Clapper. If HC doesn't get a run he will go straight to Melbourne without racing in Sydney.


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« 2018-Jul-13, 08:29 AM Reply #3 »
American sprinter Bound for Australia

Leading American trainer Wesley Ward has confirmed Australia and The Everest is his immediate plan for Diamond Jubilee Stakes third placegetter Bound For Nowhere.

Ward, who is based at Keeneland in Kentucky, told Racing.com that the lightly raced but well-travelled colt returned home to Lexington after running a big race behind Merchant Navy in the Diamond Jubilee at Royal Ascot and is now in quarantine preparing for a journey to Sydney.

When it comes to gaining a start in The Everest, Ward says he's been in negotiations with slot holders and his fate will depend on the outcome of Saturday's Group 1 Darley July Cup (1200m) at Newmarket.

"The Everest is the plan now, it works right in line with what I'd like to do,” he said.

"We've been in negotiations with slot holders.


https://www.racing.com/news/2018-07-12/american-horse-bound-for-nowhere-bound-for-australia

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« 2018-Jul-13, 10:00 AM Reply #4 »
Any chance of a quick recap on the stakeholders' stakeholding.?

How did they get it?

How much did it cost?

For how long do  they have it?

How do they fill them etc

That sorta stuff.

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« 2018-Jul-13, 12:55 PM Reply #5 »
Hmmm,

Does this mean Waller thinks that Weir is a better trainerthan himself?

Or does it mean none of Wallers horses are up to it? If so might be a useful guide for some races.

Fours

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« 2018-Jul-13, 06:00 PM Reply #6 »
Chatauqua jumped out of the barriers successfully for Tommy Berry this morning.

Might yet be a runner in the Everest.

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« 2018-Jul-13, 06:56 PM Reply #7 »
Chatauqua jumped out of the barriers successfully for Tommy Berry this morning.

Might yet be a runner in the Everest.

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« 2018-Jul-15, 11:21 AM Reply #8 »
Warrior fades Flag flies to seal Everest spot

Australian representative Redkirk Warrior failed to fire, but the Group 1 July Cup is likely to have ramifications Down Under with winner US Navy Flag set to campaign here in Spring.

The War Front colt will represent Coolmore, by whom he is raced, in the $13 million The Everest (1200m) at Randwick in October.

Trainer Aidan O’Brien said post-race that The Everest had been firmly in the team’s mind and his 1.75-length July Cup win was all the convincing they needed to go.

“We felt that after today he needed a break because he was having a very tough spring and up to now, so the plan was, if it went well, we would give him a rest and go down and train him for the Everest in Australia,” he told Racing UK.


https://www.racing.com/news/2018-07-15/warrior-fades-flag-flies-to-seal-everest-spot

Slotholder Horse Trainer
AQUIS Farm Trapeze Artist Gerald Ryan
TABCorp In Her Time Benjamin Smith
Yulong Investments Redzel P & P Snowden
Chris Waller Brave Smash Darren Weir
The Star Shoals Anthony Freedman
James Harron

Coolmore US Navy Flag Aiden O'Brien
ATC

Max Whitby

GP1 Racing

Inglis Santa Ana Lane Anthony Freedman
Damion Flower English Gai Waterhouse

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« 2018-Jul-21, 12:23 AM Reply #9 »
From The Wizard Of Odds Newsletter:

Going from the highest mountain in Australia to the highest in the world and Menari is the latest horse to secure a spot in the $13 million Everest with slot holder Max Whitby confirming he will run for him and partner Neil Werrett. Whitby supported Vega Magic in the inaugural running last year but has taken a gamble with Menari who has not raced for almost a year. The rising four-year-old is trained by Gerald Ryan who also has the favourite, Trapeze Artist, in the race.

Reckon Menari must be going OK if they have nommed it. Hasn't raced for nearly a year when 3rd to the current Everest favourite Trapeze Artist in the Golden Rose.

Must keep an eye out for it first up  :chin:

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« 2018-Jul-21, 12:34 AM Reply #10 »
3 slots left

Slotholder Horse Trainer
AQUIS Farm Trapeze Artist Gerald Ryan
TABCorp In Her Time Benjamin Smith
Yulong Investments Redzel P & P Snowden
Chris Waller Brave Smash Darren Weir
The Star Shoals Anthony Freedman
James Harron

Coolmore US Navy Flag Aiden O'Brien
ATC

Max Whitby Menari Gerald Ryan
GP1 Racing

Inglis Santa Ana Lane Anthony Freedman
Damion Flower English Gai Waterhouse

Some of the horses that might be under consideration:

Impending - has it been retired? You'd think they could fit one more run in.
Le Romain
Viddora
Vega Magic
Terravista
Redkirk Warrior

Did I read somewhere that Azkadellia is getting ready for this now the ownership stuff is sorted?

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« 2018-Jul-26, 01:01 AM Reply #11 »
Oliver talks up Vega Magic for Everest

Champion jockey Damien Oliver has admitted he is surprised dual Group 1-winning sprinter Vega Magic has not yet been snapped up to compete in The Everest.

Slot-holders for the $13 million race have looked past the big son of Lope De Vega up to this point and for that reason Lindsay Park have him ready to go for Saturday's Group 3 Bletchingly Stakes (1200m), in what connections are calling an 'Everest trial'.

"I am a little bit surprised [that he doesn't have a slot already]," Oliver said.

"I suppose when you see his last-start effort in the Goodwood Handicap you could be wondering a little bit, but I think he had a bit against him on that day, there were genuine excuses for him there.

"If you look at last year's race he drew wide and had a wide run so it was a big effort there to narrowly go down, so if you're taking a line through that you'd think he's got a great chance [in this year's edition].

"But there are some nice young three-year-olds [rising four] coming through as well that have probably got a bit more of a boom on them as well.

"He's proven at the highest level, he's a big, strong horse that can absorb that pressure and I suppose the other plus is that we are used to seeing wet tracks in Sydney but not so much in the spring so hopefully it's a dry track if he does get a slot up there."


https://www.racing.com/news/2018-07-25/oliver-talks-up-vega-magic-for-everest

A bit of free advertising for Olly and Hayes but I agree with him.

You'd think last year's runner up would be in demand. Randwick is definitely a horses for courses track and the fact he has proven himself should go a long way in consideration for a slot.

A win on Saturday might get him into the race.

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« 2018-Jul-27, 12:10 PM Reply #12 »
Vega Magic would just be making up the numbers.

Is there anything in the rules stopping a jockey buying a slot ?

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« 2018-Jul-27, 01:01 PM Reply #13 »
Vega Magic would just be making up the numbers.


Who is going to win it Auth - I'll have something on it - US Navy Flag  :/

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« 2018-Jul-27, 05:30 PM Reply #14 »
I won’t be writing off Vega until.....at least tomorrow where he will carry my cash

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« 2018-Jul-28, 10:05 AM Reply #15 »
Who is going to win it Auth - I'll have something on it - US Navy Flag  :/

Or Trapeze Artist or Menari.

The rest are just uninspiring speed humps.

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« 2018-Jul-28, 05:04 PM Reply #16 »
Nature Strip raised his hand again   emthup

That sure was some acceleration when he let go  :o

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« 2018-Jul-28, 05:21 PM Reply #17 »
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« 2018-Aug-05, 05:32 AM Reply #18 »
Menari as has been reported is OUT leaving just 3 slots open.

James Harron (the winner last year with Redzel) picked up last year's runner up Vega Magic from the Hayes camp after his 3 length win in The Bletchingly.

Slotholder Horse Trainer
AQUIS Farm Trapeze Artist Gerald Ryan
TABCorp In Her Time Benjamin Smith
Yulong Investments Redzel P & P Snowden
Chris Waller Brave Smash Darren Weir
The Star Shoals Anthony Freedman
James Harron Vega Magic David Hayes
Coolmore US Navy Flag Aiden O'Brien
ATC

Max Whitby

GP1 Racing

Inglis Santa Ana Lane Anthony Freedman
Damion Flower English Gai Waterhouse

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« 2018-Aug-18, 05:34 PM Reply #19 »
The garbage program purporting to be about V'landys was actually a garbage over long promo for the garbage Everest.

In case anyone needs reminding the fatal flaw is that the majority of slot holders will end up fielding duds who have little hope of even recovering expenses.

The Everest only holds interest for fat cat slot holders prepared to squander money in the hope of getting advertising coverage.

Rational people have no reason to get involved.

https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/documentaries/2018/8/passionate-players--s1-ep-3

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« 2018-Aug-18, 06:31 PM Reply #20 »
The garbage program purporting to be about V'landys was actually a garbage over long promo for the garbage Everest.

In case anyone needs reminding the fatal flaw is that the majority of slot holders will end up fielding duds who have little hope of even recovering expenses.

The Everest only holds interest for fat cat slot holders prepared to squander money in the hope of getting advertising coverage.

Rational people have no reason to get involved.

https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/documentaries/2018/8/passionate-players--s1-ep-3

Thaks for posting that link jfc.   emthup

One of the best shows I've watched on racing on commercial FTA.

How inspiring is the story of Peter Piras - the most conspicuous owner in the Redzel syndicate. Gave his prizemoney to his mum and dad who own a restaurant down in Wollongong.

Peter V'Landys came out to Australia from Greece as a 4yo and his father worked where I used to work - down on the Port Kembla steelworks. His Dad worked 18-20 hour shifts like a lot of migrants from that area did. Great work ethic and strong family values and his son certainly has those qualities.

Has universal respect in the industry and even Lloyd Williams paid him a compliment when he said RVL should recruit him at any price (or words to that effect).

Following a few of the slot holders looking for horses was fascinating.

A great 40 minutes viewing in spite of the ads  emthup

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« 2018-Aug-18, 06:42 PM Reply #21 »
Really!

The son of that immigrant steel worker is only interested in hobnobbing with fat cats whose purpose in life is to squander OPM.

The program chose to focus on the chosen fat cats.

And conveniently chose to ignore the majority of fat cats who will be fielding money losing
 duds.


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« 2018-Aug-18, 06:46 PM Reply #22 »
Really!

The son of that immigrant steel worker is only interested in hobnobbing with fat cats whose purpose in life is to squander OPM.

The program chose to focus on the chosen fat cats.

And conveniently chose to ignore the majority of fat cats who will be fielding money losing
 duds.

Where on earth do you get this interpretation from  :what:

Racing is a competitive "sport". There are winners and losers. The slot holders know the risks. If they didn't want to accept those risks then they would not have purchased a slot.

And who are these fat cats who squander other people's money? Have you got a specific example to explain what you are talking about?

You are increasingly sounding like a social media ratbag jfc. You never used to be like that.  :no:

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« 2018-Aug-18, 07:11 PM Reply #23 »
Boy are you wet behind the ears!

The slot holders are clearly clueless.

If they were forced to play with their own money they would vamoose pronto.

They are just playing with OPM - a powerful aphrodisiac.



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« 2018-Aug-18, 09:12 PM Reply #24 »
Boy are you wet behind the ears!

The slot holders are clearly clueless.

If they were forced to play with their own money they would vamoose pronto.

They are just playing with OPM - a powerful aphrodisiac.

I used to think something like that.

But if they are "clueless" then how come they are rich enough to afford slots, or in a position to use OPMs money to purchase a slot and we are not  :what:

Who are the clueless ones?


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