Some of the posts  have made for interesting reading.

Just like the old days.

Yeah, the good old days when the forums were irreverent and funny yet insightful and creative and NEVER in the service of this interest or that.
 
I miss them.

It seems a shame to waste some of these. So I will unload them here rather than send to the ether and say no more about the slot race. 

You know me jfc. Always wanting to learn off you "how to think" so I can mend my ways.

But you banned me from asking you any questions, don't you remember?

And it looks like wily has now been banned also.

How can we be expected to improve our thinking to come more in line with your thoughts, which we all know are so much superior to everyone else's.

Does the ban on asking you any questions have any shelf life?

Setting high standards PP7?

I think any reasonably intelligent neutral observer would acknowledge that jfc is indeed a very smart guy as would most forumites.
The forum is all the better off for having him here.

In any debate I've seen between you and jfc you can barely lay a glove.......know your subject well is the first rule of debate.

I've learned something from his posts so I'll say thanks.
TAB won't like it much because now I spend $20 where I used to spend $200.

Vlandys has done a good job with NSW Racing and lifted it’s profile considerably. However even Racing NSW as I keep saying has finally admitted it underestimated the backlash and will not do it again.

AJ admitted to an apology of sorts while Gladys has stated she will rethink the policy etc. The only one who has not stated anything yet is Vlandys. Vlandys wrote a piece in SMH which stated the Everest was not about gambling when he defended the sails ads which was laughable as it was before the Everest Vivid show. I am yet to see anyone defend this or his supporters admit this was wrong which shows a warped sense of reality.

Now I am a Sydneysider but think all OH advertising is wrong as no boundaries are set. I am not the only who thinks that and nor do I have a dislike of Vlandys as his supporters think of anyone who does not agree with his views.

This episode has hurt a few reputations and it will time to fix in the eyes of the general public.

Hypothetical for you Jeunes.

If they said no to the Opera House, and PVL then asked if he could do the promotion at the beach, complete with sponsor's signs, what do you think would be the reply?


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Alan Jones apologized for his rudeness. I heard the interview and there was no such threats or rudeness from PVL. Can you tell us what he should be apologizing for???

This thread has failed to differentiate between the conversation that went on between Jones and Herron, and the request to use the Opera House for a brief period to conduct the barrier draw. They are two completely different issues.

To me that is typical social media "flaming". Just chuck enough mud at the door and some will stick. Seems to be the norm.

And then we have characters like PP who tell other Forum Members to wander off into the sunset because they have a view different to his own.  Go figure.

Your comments toward timw the other day warranted an apology IMO. He works his guts out for this forum in collecting and supplying stats on his own time and to get this from you is pretty lame.

WOW !!!! Isn't that interesting ? In other words , Who gives a toss ?

...and I didn't ask nemesis to "wander off into the sunset because he has a view different to his mine". I have asked him to be not so negative all the time.

The term "troll" comes to mind........ 

PP, I would have no objections to anything on the beach etc if they have council approval etc. OH is a different kettle of fish and I would not care who the adverts were for.

If you read my post, I never said Vlandys had to apologise. I stated he had not stated anything while AJ apologised and Gladys said there will be a rethink and a Racing NSW said they will not do it again.

I also noticed you made no comment regarding Vlandys and that promotion of the Everest was not promoting gambling. Yet they suspended betting on Tuesday for an event that was not was gambling.

PP, you seem like an intelligent person when I read your posts on some of the topics but when it comes to V’landys, you seem very one eyed.

Hi Jeunes and thanks for your polite reply. Always happy to take the time to answer your posts with a bit of detail.

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That last statement implies that you have to be either "for" or "against" V'Landys.

I (and a lot of country folk involved in horse racing) appreciate what he has done for the sport there. I suppose that appreciation can turn into the appearance for being "pro V'Landys" all the time if such a classification exists.

When The Everest was first proposed I stated on this forum that it should not be allowed to be advertised as "the richest turf race in the world" because of the way they get the prizemoney. Furthermore I also stated that I did not think the race should be eligible for black type - not unlike the Magic Millions. It should carry the same level i.e. Listed Restricted.

Funny how people don't remember that i.e. I have not always agreed with PVL.

But as we all know advertisers rule the world and the mainstream media and even the racing media now describe it as "the richest turf race in the world" so I have stopped trying. A bit like Melbourne describing itself as "The Events Capital Of The World". We all have to cop the bull.

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You made a point of saying that I did not comment about the promotion of gambling? I think I did, and quite strongly.

The hypocrisy of using the excuse of "promotion of gambling" to stop the event has to be made.

Australia has 2.3% of the world's population and 20% of the world's poker machines. How on earth people can act as advocates for anti-gambling by punishing the Everest event without mentioning the poker machine menace is beyond me. It implies that they are being disingenuous. Not to mention the fact that you hear corporate bookmaker ads all the time on radio. In terms of "gambling promotion" The Everest is a fly in the ointment - wouldn't you agree?

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I don't understand the point you are making about PVL not saying anything. He is not Alan Jones. He did not speak Alan Jones' words. Why does he have to say anything?

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The beach thing was my way of pointing out the hypocrisy of those who object to the use of the Opera House on aesthetic grounds.

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There seems to be many moving parts here all munged into one to give the appearance of something out of control - typical social media slamming.

i) There are those who objected to the use of the Opera House on aesthetic grounds ("It is not a billboard").

ii) There are those who objected to the Opera House being used on the grounds that it promotes gambling.

iii) There is the issue of Alan Jones being rude (almost abusive) toward Louise Herron. I was the first one on the forum to call for Jones to apologize - yet another thing that seems to be forgotten.

iv) There are those who are always on this forum bagging Peter V'Landys - doesn't matter what it is he does. You called me "pro V'Landys". It implies that I am right and there are "anti V'Landys" factions. Is this not correct? Can you please acknowledge that the opposite is true?

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As I said. A lot of moving parts that make things ripe for a social media slamming campaign where detail goes out the door.

Alan Jones apologized for his rudeness. I heard the interview and there was no such threats or rudeness from PVL. Can you tell us what he should be apologizing for???

This thread has failed to differentiate between the conversation that went on between Jones and Herron, and the request to use the Opera House for a brief period to conduct the barrier draw. They are two completely different issues.

I'm now listening to that interview again.

"Louise ..... support. There is none for what you are doing. None,"

80% ...none
potayto ... potahto

There are also very many people who don't buy the Jones fauxpology.

Remember that everything Louise Herron was trying to say was correct. She was entirely consistent with the Opera House charter.

The V'landys contribution was to effectively call her a liar and obfuscate what he was planning to splash on the sails. He had conveniently failed to inform her of the precise material, trying to force her to approve something she had not seen.

My bet is he was planning to sneak something in.

Seems to me that deserves an apology.

But I'm not holding my breath as he has yet to apologise to me for breaking his outfit's confidentiality rules.

I don’t comprehend how anybody in racing could be against the Everest concept and the interest that it has  garnered with non racing people..

It’s fantastic to have great racing in Sydney and Melbourne on the same day.

In terms of turnover, tomorrow could well  surpass Derby Day as the second largest of the year and after all it’s turnover that funds racing.

The Opera House sub plot has only increased interest.

It’s been a great result for Raciing NSW but also Racing Vic because Caulfield will also experience increased wagering.

Every one is a winner, except Alan Jones who has further displayed his ugly arrogance.

Remember that everything Louise Herron was trying to say was correct. She was entirely consistent with the Opera House charter.

Im staggered you can say that.

Given what has previously been allowed by the OH people there is no reason not to have the Everest display that we saw the other night

Once again, we had fcking Hugh Jackman crawling all over the thing on a fly fox.
That ended any claims about not wanting to miss use the great old building

Jackman was a stunt that trashed the joints image far worse than anything the Everest has
It was cringeworthy

Hi Jeunes and thanks for your polite reply. Always happy to take the time to answer your posts with a bit of detail.

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That last statement implies that you have to be either "for" or "against" V'Landys.

I (and a lot of country folk involved in horse racing) appreciate what he has done for the sport there. I suppose that appreciation can turn into the appearance for being "pro V'Landys" all the time if such a classification exists.

When The Everest was first proposed I stated on this forum that it should not be allowed to be advertised as "the richest turf race in the world" because of the way they get the prizemoney. Furthermore I also stated that I did not think the race should be eligible for black type - not unlike the Magic Millions. It should carry the same level i.e. Listed Restricted.

Funny how people don't remember that i.e. I have not always agreed with PVL.

But as we all know advertisers rule the world and the mainstream media and even the racing media now describe it as "the richest turf race in the world" so I have stopped trying. A bit like Melbourne describing itself as "The Events Capital Of The World". We all have to cop the bull.

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You made a point of saying that I did not comment about the promotion of gambling? I think I did, and quite strongly.

The hypocrisy of using the excuse of "promotion of gambling" to stop the event has to be made.

Australia has 2.3% of the world's population and 20% of the world's poker machines. How on earth people can act as advocates for anti-gambling by punishing the Everest event without mentioning the poker machine menace is beyond me. It implies that they are being disingenuous. Not to mention the fact that you hear corporate bookmaker ads all the time on radio. In terms of "gambling promotion" The Everest is a fly in the ointment - wouldn't you agree?

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I don't understand the point you are making about PVL not saying anything. He is not Alan Jones. He did not speak Alan Jones' words. Why does he have to say anything?

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The beach thing was my way of pointing out the hypocrisy of those who object to the use of the Opera House on aesthetic grounds.

****

There seems to be many moving parts here all munged into one to give the appearance of something out of control - typical social media slamming.

i) There are those who objected to the use of the Opera House on aesthetic grounds ("It is not a billboard").

ii) There are those who objected to the Opera House being used on the grounds that it promotes gambling.

iii) There is the issue of Alan Jones being rude (almost abusive) toward Louise Herron. I was the first one on the forum to call for Jones to apologize - yet another thing that seems to be forgotten.

iv) There are those who are always on this forum bagging Peter V'Landys - doesn't matter what it is he does. You called me "pro V'Landys". It implies that I am right and there are "anti V'Landys" factions. Is this not correct? Can you please acknowledge that the opposite is true?

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As I said. A lot of moving parts that make things ripe for a social media slamming campaign where detail goes out the door.

Point 3       

What an absolute phony you are!

Take yourself back over to page 3 and look at your comments a few minutes after I posted that appalling piece of radio.
You were so quick to put shit on me you appear to have Alan's back
That's ok though because 2GB were right behind their main man as well at that time......disappeared now though....gutless!

At first I was prepared to cut V'Landys a little slack but listening the 2nd time he is almost as gutless.

Even now you are saving your strongest language for Louise Herron [apart from those who disagree with you of course]

Once again, we had fcking Hugh Jackman crawling all over the thing on a fly fox.
That ended any claims about not wanting to miss use the great old building

Not to mention plenty of those holding torches probably cheered when a few 'Greens' ratbags climbed it and took to it with a paint can