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Offline nemisis

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« 2018-Oct-12, 01:55 PM Reply #275 »
I have chosen not to participate in the soap box......do you have to?

You had a go at me 8 minutes after I put a link to the 2GB 'interview' and then another a couple of minutes later.
Did you even take the time to listen to that vile crap?....so quick to shoot down the messenger you appeared to be supporting him....you know "Ive got your back Al'
Yes you did agree that the $100 mil was a fantasy figure from Jones brain.

Your 'crossed the line in the sand' and 'silly old man' comments 4 days later are hardly stinging rebukes of Alan Jones behavior so to be claiming you were the first on the forum
to demand an apology is laughable.

I accept the ferocity of the attack may have caught P V'Landys off guard but he did join in even though it was a bit 'he said....she said' and no comments later would suggest he was comfortable enough with what happened.

The big problem here is the Arrowfield Stud link.


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« 2018-Oct-12, 02:38 PM Reply #276 »
Why Arrowfield?

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« 2018-Oct-12, 03:28 PM Reply #277 »
....so quick to shoot down the messenger you appeared to be supporting him....you know "Ive got your back Al'
Yes you did agree that the $100 mil was a fantasy figure from Jones brain.


So you say I "appeared" to be have his back.

Does that mean I appeared to have his back but you now admit you were wrong and should apologize?

Or are you keeping up your false allegations about me supporting Jones by being non specific and not quoting me directly as I have asked.


Now how about you explain the "Arrowfield Stud conspiracy" to us all (this should be entertaining)  :)

You also have the option of being a bit more positive in your contributions to the forum and only posting positively for a while - my suggestion to you  :bulb:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 03:30 PM Reply #278 »
John Messara the chairman of RNSW is also the owner of Arrowfield Stud.

He and Alan Jones have some sort of partnership in the business.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 03:43 PM Reply #279 »
So you say I "appeared" to be have his back.

Does that mean I appeared to have his back but you now admit you were wrong and should apologize?

Or are you keeping up your false allegations about me supporting Jones by being non specific and not quoting me directly as I have asked.


Now how about you explain the "Arrowfield Stud conspiracy" to us all (this should be entertaining)  :)

You also have the option of being a bit more positive in your contributions to the forum and only posting positively for a while - my suggestion to you  :bulb:
I stand by everything I said and certainly no apology.

You could let me know if you did listen to the 2GB 'interview' before you had a shot......I think the link went for about 4-5  minutes so I expect not.

Your suggestion? ......or? ....please tell me

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« 2018-Oct-12, 03:53 PM Reply #280 »
From the Alan Jones Comments thread on the Soap Box on October 8th

...and on October 9th:

I just went through page 3 and found no post of mine condoning Jones' behaviour - my posts on that page were pointing out the hypocrisy of using the excuse of "it promotes gambling" whilst those taking that line do not seem to realize that Poker Machines are a much larger menace - a point I have consistently made.

In fact those who argued that the Opera House should not be used for aesthetic reasons have much more validity in their argument than those who disingenuously claim that it promoters gambling - given the bombardment of ads from corporates and TAB plus the failure to mention poker machines.

Can you please reproduce my post where I "appear to have Jones' back" from page 3????

In fact I am critical of Jones by casting doubt on his $100 million figure boost to the economy claim.
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Suspect that's because of your sloppy effort.

Horse racing heavily involves gambling. And is a source of problem gambling. Therefore Everest promotion promotes gambling.

Poker machines are a cheap form of entertainment in a social environment, but also a source of problem gambling. But no one is using the Opera House or anywhere else to promote them. So what are you on about!

Remember you actually play Keno badly. That's one of the most insidious scams around. And yet is allowed to advertise.


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« 2018-Oct-12, 04:01 PM Reply #281 »
John Messara the chairman of RNSW is also the owner of Arrowfield Stud.

He and Alan Jones have some sort of partnership in the business.

Some fools have suggested that jones supported the OH promo due to him having shares in the stallion Snitzel and he will benefit by Redzel winning.

Itís laughable in its ignorance/stupidity or dishonesty.
Snitzel stands at 220k, is in high demand (fully booked?) and is at the top of his game.
A win in the Everest wonít increase his value/stud fees or Jones profit sheet one iota. Only his reputation which is already secured as a super sire

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« 2018-Oct-12, 04:33 PM Reply #282 »
Some fools have suggested that jones supported the OH promo due to him having shares in the stallion Snitzel and he will benefit by Redzel winning.

Itís laughable in its ignorance/stupidity or dishonesty.
Snitzel stands at 220k, is in high demand (fully booked?) and is at the top of his game.
A win in the Everest wonít increase his value/stud fees or Jones profit sheet one iota. Only his reputation which is already secured as a super sire
Wily  My point was simply even if P V'landys wanted to distance himself from Alan Jones interview it would be difficult because of the Arrowfield connection.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 04:55 PM Reply #283 »
John Messara the chairman of RNSW is also the owner of Arrowfield Stud.

He and Alan Jones have some sort of partnership in the business.

Has not been chairman of Racing NSW for some time

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« 2018-Oct-12, 05:03 PM Reply #284 »
Has not been chairman of Racing NSW for some time
Thanks and I stand corrected.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 05:10 PM Reply #285 »
Jones can certainly pick a stallion.
You bet he can. 8-) :bye:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 07:26 PM Reply #286 »


The name on the office door


.................. may have no relevance to who runs the game .. ...even 'usually'

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« 2018-Oct-12, 07:28 PM Reply #287 »


................ this applies especially to the NSW premier

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« 2018-Oct-12, 08:33 PM Reply #288 »
Not to be outdone by racing NSW this afternoon at Ballarat  they ran The Hotham , named after a mountain in Victoria

To take the mickey out of other " mountain named races " the race was restricted to maidens run over 1200 metres, however horses had to meet a balloting clause. Runners were selected in the order of the horse that had had the most runs without winning was selected first , the horse selected second was the horse with the second most runs  etc down to twelve runners.The 12 starters had 457 starts between them without a win.

The race had  stakemoney of $75,000. the highest on the Ballarat program (1st $30,000, 2nd $14,000, 3rd $7,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $4,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000, 9th $3,000, 10th $3,000 ) horses came as far as Gladsone & the Sunshine Coast in Queensland and from all over Victoria

From all accounts the race was considered a success and gave a few battlers a chance to win reasonable prizemoney

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:02 PM Reply #289 »
Yes Bubba great promotion. At least they named it after something in this Country. Not like the dopes in NSW who thought that they would name their race after a mountain in another Country. Trust they knew this mountain wasn't in Australia !! They probably had Mt Vesuvius or even Mt Cook on their working paper. Maybe next year they could see if they could flash the colours up on Mount Everest.
Or even send the "Parrot " up the mountain to display them . The possibilities are endless.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:17 PM Reply #290 »
Not to be outdone by racing NSW this afternoon at Ballarat  they ran The Hotham , named after a mountain in Victoria

To take the mickey out of other " mountain named races " the race was restricted to maidens run over 1200 metres, however horses had to meet a balloting clause. Runners were selected in the order of the horse that had had the most runs without winning was selected first , the horse selected second was the horse with the second most runs  etc down to twelve runners.The 12 starters had 457 starts between them without a win.

The race had  stakemoney of $75,000. the highest on the Ballarat program (1st $30,000, 2nd $14,000, 3rd $7,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $4,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000, 9th $3,000, 10th $3,000 ) horses came as far as Gladsone & the Sunshine Coast in Queensland and from all over Victoria

From all accounts the race was considered a success and gave a few battlers a chance to win reasonable prizemoney


come on you blokes , don't pull the piss  lol

Lexus Stakes
The Lexus Stakes, registered as the Hotham Handicap, is a Victoria Racing Club Group 3 Thoroughbred horse race for horses three years old and older, held under quality handicap conditions, over a distance of 2500 metres, held annually at Flemington Racecourse, Melbourne, Australia on Victoria Derby Day. Total prize money for the race is A$300,000 and $1,500 trophy.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:34 PM Reply #291 »
Thanks and I stand corrected.

Can I get a "thanks and I stand corrected" over your false claim that I supported Alan Jones?


You could let me know if you did listen to the 2GB 'interview' before you had a shot......I think the link went for about 4-5  minutes so I expect not.

Your suggestion? ......or? ....please tell me

So your false accusation of me supporting Alan Jones is my fault because I did not let you know that I listened to the interview before you opened your mouth.   :lol:

Do you have even the remotest idea how silly you look in all this  :what:

What's that old saying....best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it up and remove all doubt   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:46 PM Reply #292 »
It's not a piss take Rats.

This is the finish of The Hotham



It was won by Henry's Secret. having his 29th start, trained by Swan Hill trainer Nathan Hobson.

The race is growing year by year and it has been suggested that next year they will project the barrier draw on the public toilets on Lake Wendouree - and there is a good chance Alan Jones will be in attendance.

(Orright, that bits a piss take)
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-12, 09:52 PM by tontonan »

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:55 PM Reply #293 »
Nathan Hobson also trained Strathern who finished 11 lengths last in the inaugural Hotham last year, and for which he was awarded a trip to the Magic Millions. 

His brother secured Henry's Affair for an undisclosed price in Queensland.  It ran next to last in a Gold Coast Maiden on 1 September before being transferred to Hobson's Swan Hill stable 6 weeks ago.

The Hotam is sponsored by Sportsbet.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 09:56 PM Reply #294 »
It's not a piss take Rats.

This is the finish of The Hotham



It was won by Henry's Secret. having his 29th start, trained by Swan Hill trainer Nathan Hobson.

The race is growing year by year and it has been suggested that next year they will project the barrier draw on the public toilets on Lake Wendouree - and there is a good chance Alan Jones will be in attendance.

(Orright, that bits a piss take)

I know the race was on T , the name is surely a piss take lol

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« 2018-Oct-12, 10:01 PM Reply #295 »
Clever.

Sounds like it was a fun day at the Big Rat.

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« 2018-Oct-12, 10:09 PM Reply #296 »
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Suspect that's because of your sloppy effort.

Horse racing heavily involves gambling. And is a source of problem gambling. Therefore Everest promotion promotes gambling.

Poker machines are a cheap form of entertainment in a social environment, but also a source of problem gambling. But no one is using the Opera House or anywhere else to promote them. So what are you on about!

Remember you actually play Keno badly. That's one of the most insidious scams around. And yet is allowed to advertise.

I rarely have an idea of what you are saying so perhaps there is symmetry here   :lol:

Just on the side, your sentence "Horse racing heavily involves gambling" - I would say this is grammar, up, with which we shall not put.

I am having a go at disingenuous zealots (now there's a new social media term!) who claim they shouldn't use the Opera House to promote racing.

If you are claiming that the Everest draw should not have been made on the side of Opera House because it promotes gambling then you fit into a mutually exclusive set of three criteria:

i) You are using this as an excuse to have a go at Racing NSW head Peter V'Landys. Typically on this forum we know who these people are because we can see from their history that they are always bagging the guy and never have anything kind to say about him in spite of all the good he does - especially for country folk. Without naming them, these people are clearly identified in this thread.

ii) You hate Alan Jones. You are using a protest against the barrier draw being held on the side of the Opera House as a tool to get back at Alan Jones who you hate.

iii) You are an anti-gambling zealot whose accusations of them using the Opera House as some sort of gambling promotion fail to identify and deal with the real gambling menace, Poker Machines. These people however a genuine zealots.

Categories i) and ii) are what I would call "disingenuous zealots".

What category would you be in jfc? I would diagnose you as a Category 1 disingenuous zealot, and prescribe a week at the Nan Tien Bhuddist temple near Wollongong to try and get rid of all that bad karma  :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 10:32 PM Reply #297 »
In all the excitement it seems we missed PoisonPen7's 20,000th post to the forum.

You got anything positive to say about anything mate  :what:

We shoulda had cake   :yay:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 10:47 PM Reply #298 »
In all the excitement it seems we missed PoisonPen7's 20,000th post to the forum.

We shoulda had cake   :yay:

Forum is a far quieter place since the old days - I actually was part of the old MSN forum before they closed it and we all moved here. There are of the order of around a dozen of us still remaining at a guess.

Someone who never gets the credit he deserves is Glenn (Magic) who quietly keeps things ticking over in the background and has kept the site commercial free for all these years (the one single banner ad provides the prizemoney for our tipping comps).

Why on earth people would want advertisements shoved in their face all the time instead of joining us over here ad free is a mystery to me   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-12, 10:52 PM Reply #299 »
....and we are getting up to 300 posts for this thread and nearly 6000 views.

Haven't seen numbers like that for a long time.

Now what was that about not splitting the threads   :biggrin:


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