Why Arrowfield?

John Messara the chairman of RNSW is also the owner of Arrowfield Stud.

He and Alan Jones have some sort of partnership in the business.

From the Alan Jones Comments thread on the Soap Box on October 8th

...and on October 9th:

I just went through page 3 and found no post of mine condoning Jones' behaviour - my posts on that page were pointing out the hypocrisy of using the excuse of "it promotes gambling" whilst those taking that line do not seem to realize that Poker Machines are a much larger menace - a point I have consistently made.

In fact those who argued that the Opera House should not be used for aesthetic reasons have much more validity in their argument than those who disingenuously claim that it promoters gambling - given the bombardment of ads from corporates and TAB plus the failure to mention poker machines.

Can you please reproduce my post where I "appear to have Jones' back" from page 3????

In fact I am critical of Jones by casting doubt on his $100 million figure boost to the economy claim.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Suspect that's because of your sloppy effort.

Horse racing heavily involves gambling. And is a source of problem gambling. Therefore Everest promotion promotes gambling.

Poker machines are a cheap form of entertainment in a social environment, but also a source of problem gambling. But no one is using the Opera House or anywhere else to promote them. So what are you on about!

Remember you actually play Keno badly. That's one of the most insidious scams around. And yet is allowed to advertise.

Some fools have suggested that jones supported the OH promo due to him having shares in the stallion Snitzel and he will benefit by Redzel winning.

It’s laughable in its ignorance/stupidity or dishonesty.
Snitzel stands at 220k, is in high demand (fully booked?) and is at the top of his game.
A win in the Everest won’t increase his value/stud fees or Jones profit sheet one iota. Only his reputation which is already secured as a super sire

Wily  My point was simply even if P V'landys wanted to distance himself from Alan Jones interview it would be difficult because of the Arrowfield connection.

Has not been chairman of Racing NSW for some time

Thanks and I stand corrected.

The name on the office door


.................. may have no relevance to who runs the game .. ...even 'usually'

Not to be outdone by racing NSW this afternoon at Ballarat  they ran The Hotham , named after a mountain in Victoria

To take the mickey out of other " mountain named races " the race was restricted to maidens run over 1200 metres, however horses had to meet a balloting clause. Runners were selected in the order of the horse that had had the most runs without winning was selected first , the horse selected second was the horse with the second most runs  etc down to twelve runners.The 12 starters had 457 starts between them without a win.

The race had  stakemoney of $75,000. the highest on the Ballarat program (1st $30,000, 2nd $14,000, 3rd $7,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $4,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000, 9th $3,000, 10th $3,000 ) horses came as far as Gladsone & the Sunshine Coast in Queensland and from all over Victoria

From all accounts the race was considered a success and gave a few battlers a chance to win reasonable prizemoney

Not to be outdone by racing NSW this afternoon at Ballarat  they ran The Hotham , named after a mountain in Victoria

To take the mickey out of other " mountain named races " the race was restricted to maidens run over 1200 metres, however horses had to meet a balloting clause. Runners were selected in the order of the horse that had had the most runs without winning was selected first , the horse selected second was the horse with the second most runs  etc down to twelve runners.The 12 starters had 457 starts between them without a win.

The race had  stakemoney of $75,000. the highest on the Ballarat program (1st $30,000, 2nd $14,000, 3rd $7,000, 4th $5,000, 5th $4,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000, 9th $3,000, 10th $3,000 ) horses came as far as Gladsone & the Sunshine Coast in Queensland and from all over Victoria

From all accounts the race was considered a success and gave a few battlers a chance to win reasonable prizemoney

come on you blokes , don't pull the piss 

Lexus Stakes
The Lexus Stakes, registered as the Hotham Handicap, is a Victoria Racing Club Group 3 Thoroughbred horse race for horses three years old and older, held under quality handicap conditions, over a distance of 2500 metres, held annually at Flemington Racecourse, Melbourne, Australia on Victoria Derby Day. Total prize money for the race is A$300,000 and $1,500 trophy.

It's not a piss take Rats.

This is the finish of The Hotham



It was won by Henry's Secret. having his 29th start, trained by Swan Hill trainer Nathan Hobson.

The race is growing year by year and it has been suggested that next year they will project the barrier draw on the public toilets on Lake Wendouree - and there is a good chance Alan Jones will be in attendance.

(Orright, that bits a piss take)

It's not a piss take Rats.

This is the finish of The Hotham



It was won by Henry's Secret. having his 29th start, trained by Swan Hill trainer Nathan Hobson.

The race is growing year by year and it has been suggested that next year they will project the barrier draw on the public toilets on Lake Wendouree - and there is a good chance Alan Jones will be in attendance.

(Orright, that bits a piss take)

I know the race was on T , the name is surely a piss take

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Suspect that's because of your sloppy effort.

Horse racing heavily involves gambling. And is a source of problem gambling. Therefore Everest promotion promotes gambling.

Poker machines are a cheap form of entertainment in a social environment, but also a source of problem gambling. But no one is using the Opera House or anywhere else to promote them. So what are you on about!

Remember you actually play Keno badly. That's one of the most insidious scams around. And yet is allowed to advertise.

I rarely have an idea of what you are saying so perhaps there is symmetry here   

Just on the side, your sentence "Horse racing heavily involves gambling" - I would say this is grammar, up, with which we shall not put.

I am having a go at disingenuous zealots (now there's a new social media term!) who claim they shouldn't use the Opera House to promote racing.

If you are claiming that the Everest draw should not have been made on the side of Opera House because it promotes gambling then you fit into a mutually exclusive set of three criteria:

i) You are using this as an excuse to have a go at Racing NSW head Peter V'Landys. Typically on this forum we know who these people are because we can see from their history that they are always bagging the guy and never have anything kind to say about him in spite of all the good he does - especially for country folk. Without naming them, these people are clearly identified in this thread.

ii) You hate Alan Jones. You are using a protest against the barrier draw being held on the side of the Opera House as a tool to get back at Alan Jones who you hate.

iii) You are an anti-gambling zealot whose accusations of them using the Opera House as some sort of gambling promotion fail to identify and deal with the real gambling menace, Poker Machines. These people however a genuine zealots.

Categories i) and ii) are what I would call "disingenuous zealots".

What category would you be in jfc? I would diagnose you as a Category 1 disingenuous zealot, and prescribe a week at the Nan Tien Bhuddist temple near Wollongong to try and get rid of all that bad karma  

In all the excitement it seems we missed PoisonPen7's 20,000th post to the forum.

We shoulda had cake   

Forum is a far quieter place since the old days - I actually was part of the old MSN forum before they closed it and we all moved here. There are of the order of around a dozen of us still remaining at a guess.

Someone who never gets the credit he deserves is Glenn (Magic) who quietly keeps things ticking over in the background and has kept the site commercial free for all these years (the one single banner ad provides the prizemoney for our tipping comps).

Why on earth people would want advertisements shoved in their face all the time instead of joining us over here ad free is a mystery to me