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Offline PoisonPen7

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O.P. « 2018-Sep-17, 10:07 PM »
A thread for discussion on this race.

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« 2018-Sep-17, 10:09 PM Reply #1 »
Strzelecki Syndicate After A Kosciuszko Repeat

Meet the Strzelecki syndicate!

They’re a group of 14 punters from various parts of the state who hope to emulate their namesake, Paweł Strzelecki, and be the first to climb The Kosciuszko after securing the Rod Northam-trained After All That.

It was the seven-year-old’s slashing fourth in the Group 2 The Shorts (1100m) at Randwick last Saturday that led the group, managed by Richard Lentfer, into his corner.

“We had a look at a few of them beforehand, initially we were drawn to a few of the favourites but after his race on Saturday and having a chat with Rod he came across well and was open to negotiation,’’ Lentfer said.

“We’re happy with where we landed with Rod and I think we are in with a live chance.’’

The field for the $1.3m The Kosciuszko is quickly taking shape with After All That joining Country Championships winner Victorem, Group winner The Monstar, Tamworth sprinter Suncraze and the Danny Williams pair Kopi Luwak and Don’t Give A Damn who have also secured deals.

Lentfer said the members of the Strzelecki syndicate threw in $50 each to purchase tickets following his home town Grafton Cup carnival this year.

After All That’s trainer Rod Northam, confident the gelding is going better than a year ago when he won the Anniversary Highway on Everest Day, said now he has his place confirmed he won’t have another run but will trial prior to October 13.


http://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/latest-racing-news/strzelecki-syndicate-after-a-kosciuszko-repeat/

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« 2018-Sep-18, 08:25 AM Reply #2 »


A separate thread

....... one might ask why it was not already up and running.

There is some danger of it becoming a promotional opportunity for those pumping up the kaper.

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« 2018-Sep-18, 09:54 AM Reply #3 »

A separate thread

....... one might ask why it was not already up and running.

There is some danger of it becoming a promotional opportunity for those pumping up the kaper.

I am not sure what that means but the race has already proven a promotional winner.

Not sure how many newcomers it has won over but the build up and promotion has been fantastic.


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« 2018-Sep-18, 10:39 AM Reply #4 »

Wait for the fat lady to tune up

Until we see the numbers on who bought what it is premature to call the over-hyped nonsense from cartel members a 'fantastic promotion'.

......and were rural race clubs 'encouraged' to buy bulk blocks of tickets?

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« 2018-Sep-18, 11:58 AM Reply #5 »
Not sure if they did it but what I would like to know is How many tickets were sold and the profit made  ?

Once expenses came out the rest should have gone into bost prize money for the race and that boosted money going to the tickets holders.


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« 2018-Sep-18, 12:30 PM Reply #6 »

Trickets

I thought the plan was for the ticket sales to fund the prize money for the race.

The plan to sell the tickets was about playing on the emotions and loyalties of mainly rural punters and participants.

These people would have done better to save their money and bet on 'their horse' in the race,

I cannot imagine that most punters have any affection for the highway stuff  at any time and over-paying prize-money to runners that do not belong in town is hardly sensible ever.

Betting on the race will be a much more objective test of a concept likely to be rejected and abandoned.

Come down from the mountain.


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« 2018-Sep-18, 12:39 PM Reply #7 »
Personally I could not careless about the punting.

I was against the concept because it takes good horses away from the better races.

That said I think the promotion has been fantastic and the race is looking like a potential cracker.


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« 2018-Sep-18, 01:55 PM Reply #8 »
Wait for the fat lady to tune up

Until we see the numbers on who bought what it is premature to call the over-hyped nonsense from cartel members a 'fantastic promotion'.





2ky was saying 2000,000 tickets were sold. It’s been in print media as well if you are even really interested  in finding out the answers rather than throwing mud

One bloke who got a horse spent $300.....good in him. A punters club from a Wagga pub got a slot as well. I’m sure they are not concerned with your thoughts Peter


It will be a ripper of the race.

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« 2018-Sep-18, 02:29 PM Reply #9 »


2ky was saying 2000,000 tickets were sold.




That's a lot of tickets   :lol:

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« 2018-Sep-18, 03:20 PM Reply #10 »
Oops,well spotted mate.
200,000
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« 2018-Sep-18, 04:07 PM Reply #11 »
I'm hardly RWW's biggest fan but was pleasantly and pronouncedly shocked to read his article about Tadeusz Kosciuszko.

At the risk of shocking some even more the deranged mispronunciation of the Queensland Premier's name should be grounds for her impeachment.



http://robwaterhouse.com/index.php/2018/07/19/warwick-farm-18-july-2018/

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« 2018-Sep-24, 06:43 PM Reply #12 »


Snow warning for kosciuszko-kaper-kon

...... a highway-robbery prelude to the kkk in mid October was run at Rosehill on Saturday .. F4 paid $75k.

These low grade rural handicaps present a problem for punters when they are a leg of a quadrella and cannot be ignored.

The offence is only compounded when the punters are seduced with overhyped nonsense to kick in big prize-money for a contrived event mocking rural racing.

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« 2018-Sep-24, 06:53 PM Reply #13 »

Snow warning for kosciuszko-kaper-kon

...... a highway-robbery prelude to the kkk in mid October was run at Rosehill on Saturday .. F4 paid $75k.

These low grade rural handicaps present a problem for punters when they are a leg of a quadrella and cannot be ignored.

The offence is only compounded when the punters are seduced with overhyped nonsense to kick in big prize-money for a contrived event mocking rural racing.

Given that the quaddy requires the punters to pick the winners of races  and has zero to do with a F4 can you enlighten us as to the odds of the past dozen winners?

By the way, seeblume was in my black book. Smart punters watched this link and took the early good odds

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2018Sep05&VenueCode=NTQ3MjQzMg==&RaceNumber=6&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay



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« 2018-Sep-24, 07:28 PM Reply #14 »

Is the F4 a fair bet

...........the F4 result reflects the horses running first to fourth ........often with a small separating  margin.

If it is not a fair-bet option it should be discontinued............... as should the BSUX which is always unfair unless boosted by a 'jackpot'.

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« 2018-Sep-24, 09:30 PM Reply #15 »
I'm hardly RWW's biggest fan but was pleasantly and pronouncedly shocked to read his article about Tadeusz Kosciuszko.

At the risk of shocking some even more the deranged mispronunciation of the Queensland Premier's name should be grounds for her impeachment.

http://robwaterhouse.com/index.php/2018/07/19/warwick-farm-18-july-2018/

From the article:

"It should be the ko-SHCH-OO-SH-ko."

Well who is going to call it that. You'd be breathalyzed :nowink:

As for Robbies ideas on "socialism in horse racing" by paying appearance money down to 10th place - by any measure it has been a success.

These people who are bagging the Kozzie and other country racing initiatives have NFI about country racing and in particular the "regressive costs" country owners cop e.g. they pay exactly the same a city owner does for their vet drugs (and even more sinisterly pay the same GST). When the float driver fills up with petrol (which you do more often in the country) they actually pay more than the city connections will and subsequently more GST.

Well done to Racing NSW for identifying this and trying to send some money back to where it is needed. No wonder the state's racing industry is the envy of all.

As I've said before, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel if this "too much prizemoney" line is the best you can come up with as a criticism. RNSW must be doing something right.   emthup

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« 2018-Sep-24, 10:09 PM Reply #16 »

 Irrelevant racing -- wasted funding

A relevant test surely is about any race meeting generating the payback from betting turnover to cover the costs of staging the meeting and prize money paid.

Few rural race meetings do.

Governments enforce the 'tax take' from racing but it is not first put into consolidated budget revenue  and then dispersed, in the budget,  as grants of prize money paid based on open and transparent proposals put forward by race clubs individually.

.................. putting the disbursement of these 'tax take-outs'  in the hands of state racing administrators is  an invitation to bad decisions on the spending of funds from the public purse.

Australia has far too much racing and most of it is funded by tax take-outs on the best racing then wasted on funding the worst racing in rural electorates in which few are interested.


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« 2018-Sep-24, 10:16 PM Reply #17 »

"It should be the ko-SHCH-OO-SH-ko."

Well who is going to call it that. You'd be breathalyzed :nowink:

Anyone who doesn't want to sound like an uncultured moron or 7 tennis commentator.

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« 2018-Sep-25, 07:28 AM Reply #18 »
Is the F4 a fair bet

...........the F4 result reflects the horses running first to fourth ........often with a small separating  margin.

If it is not a fair-bet option it should be discontinued............... as should the BSUX which is always unfair unless boosted by a 'jackpot'.

Of course it’s a fair bet and the bigger the divvy the happier the punters are.

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« 2018-Oct-09, 01:37 AM Reply #19 »
Before the barrier draw I've taken a little of the $6 each way The Monstar.

He has 5 kg over the limit under the conditions.

In four of his last 5 starts he has run into Santa Ana Lane, Pierata, Redzel and Ball Of Muscle and run his usual honest race.

Must be a chance that under the weight conditions he is at a significant advantage.

This table has in the 3rd to last column the weight they would receive if it were a BM95 race. The figures in the last column are a "disadvantage weight figure" for the runners running under the SWP conditions as opposed to the Benchmarking system.

Care To Think, After All That and The Monstar are better off than the rest of the runners by some margin.

Quiite confident in saying that the winner should come from the top 3 in this table - hope the theoretical maths matches the outcome - it often doesn't otherwise we'd all be rich wouldn't we   :lol:

Form Horse Sex Age Trainer Wgt BM BM95 Wgt Actual Wgt Difference
x1112x670x CARE TO THINK G 5 Matthew Dunn 59kg 104 62.5 59 -3.5
642x2216x4 AFTER ALL THAT G 7 Rodney Northam 57.5kg 100 60.5 57.5 -3
30x5104365 THE MONSTAR G 8 Brett Cavanough 60kg 104 62.5 60 -2.5
16x1380243 BELFLYER G 7 John Shelton 57.5kg 95 58 57.5 -0.5
11x1012x16 DON’T GIVE A DAMN G 5 Danny Williams 57kg 93 57 57 0
411x1x112x VICTOREM G 4 Jenny Graham 57.5kg 92 56.5 57.5 1
12x1179x03 SUNCRAZE G 5 Melanie O'Gorman 57kg 89 55 57 2
x8167x7117 SHARPE HUSSLER G 7 Cameron Crockett 58kg 90 55.5 58 2.5
1x115360x3 SNITZ G 4 Matthew Dunn 57kg 85 53 57 4
1131234x60 O’ SO HAZY M 5 Scott Spackman 55kg 79 50 55 5
5159760x91 RUTHLESS AGENT (NZ) G 5 Kurt Goldman 56.5kg 79 50 56.5 6.5
2351514x41 FUEL G 6 Wayne Wilkes 56kg 80 50.5 58 7.5

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« 2018-Oct-09, 09:22 AM Reply #20 »


No such thing as an oxymoron

It is an open secret that here can be no such thing as the 'world's richest country race'

This whole kosciuszko-kaper is a bit of a kon  -- no least for the winning ticket holders and presumably the loyal fans of runners unable to be comparably ranked.

We are still waiting for the weather to finalize the field -- and there may need to be emergencies.

There could be a deafening silence come Saturday.

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« 2018-Oct-09, 05:25 PM Reply #21 »

No such thing as an oxymoron

It is an open secret that here can be no such thing as the 'world's richest country race'

This whole kosciuszko-kaper is a bit of a kon  -- no least for the winning ticket holders and presumably the loyal fans of runners unable to be comparably ranked.

We are still waiting for the weather to finalize the field -- and there may need to be emergencies.

There could be a deafening silence come Saturday.

It’s already established that you have no idea how to do form. Stop trying to prove it

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« 2018-Oct-09, 06:51 PM Reply #22 »


.......... thank you for emphasizing the point I was making

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« 2018-Oct-09, 06:53 PM Reply #23 »

.......... thank you for emphasizing the point I was making

Yes I did, you’re too lazy and stupid to do the form.
You’re coming along nicely peter by admitting you’ve been wrong

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« 2018-Oct-10, 08:54 AM Reply #24 »

Kosciuszko-kaper

The field is still being finalized -- all a bit of a shambles really -- the concept may be racing into equine mortality.


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