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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-Jun-28, 08:02 PM Reply #100 »

.........be careful........ the Master-in-Lunacy monitors this forum....

I'm convinced he posts on this forum  ;)

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jun-28, 09:03 PM Reply #101 »

More than one

......... it is not only the not-wily-one.... there are more ...... but, posting anonymously, it is not clear which team they are kicking for ... they come across like plants of industry-funding thieves.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jun-29, 08:06 AM Reply #102 »
Iím an industry plant  :biggrin:   :lol:    :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

No wonder you got sacked, youíre an idiot  :tin:

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« 2020-Jun-29, 09:40 PM Reply #103 »


.............. the harder they suck .....the higher dopes get!

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jun-30, 11:18 AM Reply #104 »
So, lets try this then and see who the dope is. :no1:

I will give you my personal details and whatever proof you want. IF you are correct and I am in fact an "idnustry plant" as you continue to put it, I will rsign from this forum for good.

IF and it's a big IF in your mind.  If, I  am NOT  a "plant/insider", you resign frtom the forum

Sound fair to you? afterall it is both of us backing up our accusations :thumbsup:


Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2020-Jun-30, 04:23 PM Reply #105 »
Wily

You sound like an 'industry plant' to me.  And I think I read where Monty thinks so too.

Offline Villa

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« 2020-Jun-30, 04:47 PM Reply #106 »
Maybe you could back up your claim with PM.

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« 2020-Jun-30, 09:26 PM Reply #107 »
Wily

You sound like an 'industry plant' to me.  And I think I read where Monty thinks so too.


I am and I offered Pete the chance to rid the forum of me but he refused to put his credibility on the line.
I guess thatís cuz he has none 😱

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jul-01, 06:13 PM Reply #108 »

Strike me roan ------- The Kosciuszko is off again


The race to secure a slot in the 2020 The Kosciuszko began in earnest on Wednesday with tickets now available to purchase for punters looking to claim a spot in the $1.3 million race.

From July 1 people can buy $5 tickets which will be randomly drawn on Wednesday, September 9..........


...................all that can be said sensibly has been.......I promise to not say another word about it.

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« 2020-Jul-01, 09:08 PM Reply #109 »


...................all that can be said sensibly has been.......I promise to not say another word about it.


Than Fock for that. Thank you

I bought my $20 worth

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« 2020-Sep-14, 07:44 AM Reply #110 »


Kosciuszko ..... on a slippery slope........... how many tickets sold?

Kosciusko eligibility needs tightening

The success of The Kosciuszko can be measured in many ways, in particular the record number of tickets sold this year, but Racing NSW needs to close loopholes on horses that can run in it.

The race was designed to be a showcase for country trainers and give them a crack at a $1.3 million prize, but it is in danger of becoming a race for those with the deepest pockets or smart owners who swap horses to a country area.

The best stories from this race are horses that have always been trained in the bush. To safeguard them there needs to be a stricter eligibility rule.

A horse who has won a metropolitan race for a metropolitan trainer should not be eligible unless it has spent more than 12 months in a country trainerís stable and had at least one start in a country region.

That would eliminate horses being bought for the race or moved to a country trainer a couple of months out from The Kosciuszko and never starting in the bush, as is the case with a couple of runners this year.

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« 2020-Sep-14, 08:49 AM Reply #111 »
A horse who has won a metropolitan race for a metropolitan trainer should not be eligible unless it has spent more than 12 months in a country trainerís stable and had at least one start in a country region.


So who are those horses that donít comply with the above?

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« 2020-Sep-14, 05:53 PM Reply #112 »
A horse who has won a metropolitan race for a metropolitan trainer should not be eligible unless it has spent more than 12 months in a country trainerís stable and had at least one start in a country region.


So who are those horses that donít comply with the above?

Intuition and Redouble look like they fit the criteria. I'd add another one that all owners must have their bona fide main residence in a country area.

Just realised that could still be rorted by the Scone breeding magnates. Add another criteria - each owner must have an annual income of less than $100,000, verified by the ATO.
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« 2020-Sep-14, 07:12 PM Reply #113 »
Intuition and Redouble look like they fit the criteria. I'd add another one that all owners must have their bona fide main residence in a country area.

Just realised that could still be rorted by the Scone breeding magnates. Add another criteria - each owner must have an annual income of less than $100,000, verified by the ATO.

Well that would rule you out on income Maximus - all those dollars you rip out of the bookies bags.

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« 2020-Sep-14, 07:37 PM Reply #114 »
Well that would rule you out on income Maximus - all those dollars you rip out of the bookies bags.

Turn it up  :stop: - I can only afford to go to the midweeks because its free to get in. Even then I've got to hang around the winning owner's area hoping they can't eat the complimentary sandwiches - no good when the syndicates have a winner but you can usually score a couple if a Godolphin one gets home. 

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« 2020-Sep-14, 08:28 PM Reply #115 »


Oh what a tangled web is weaved when deception is contrived

......... racing industry administrators are too inclined to see 'on course crowds' as a KPI.

The COVID has exposed that -- racing prospers while 'no one' is on-course as part of any crowd.

RNSW 'dared to be great' with the 'richest race in the world' .............but to climb an everest they needed to salt the mine with a crowd-puller in the form of a Kosciuszko 'hill' to have country people come to 'the big smoke' for the day ........and then handed out freebies to members mates ....... and claimed a 'crowd'.

This nonsense started with the 'highway robbery' races as the first leg of early quadrellas ..... this was blatant deception of sucker punters ....... rough results.

So, who is surprised when the smarter connections start gaming the rules............. rural racing people were taken for a ride with the 'robbery' races.

The same goes for RVLs 'no-star-mile' retaliation ......the rules were so silly to start with that the original concept has been abandoned in favour of a 'two-in-one' race where the 'voted' compete for 10th and the 'selected' vie for the win.

......... all this, from an industry that screams its commitment to 'integrity' ......harshly penalizing 'participants' for trivial offenses ...........and adopting inflated-field policies to rort most punters while pandering to the corporate bookmakers and rebate-taking syndicates.

............. after some two decades ........I did today cancel a Foxtel account only ever used to access racing stuff.

The Australian racing industry is on the skids ......... it is engaged in deliberate deception that will bring it undone.

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« 2020-Sep-14, 09:02 PM Reply #116 »
Turn it up  :stop: - I can only afford to go to the midweeks because its free to get in. Even then I've got to hang around the winning owner's area hoping they can't eat the complimentary sandwiches - no good when the syndicates have a winner but you can usually score a couple if a Godolphin one gets home.

That's what we tell the taxman at least  ;)

A bit like Zjelko and Walsh telling everyone "I won that money on 27 Red"

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« 2020-Sep-14, 09:47 PM Reply #117 »

Kosciuszko ..... on a slippery slope........... how many tickets sold?


The best stories from this race are horses that have always been trained in the bush. To safeguard them there needs to be a stricter eligibility rule.

A horse who has won a metropolitan race for a metropolitan trainer should not be eligible unless it has spent more than 12 months in a country trainerís stable and had at least one start in a country region.

That would eliminate horses being bought for the race or moved to a country trainer a couple of months out from The Kosciuszko and never starting in the bush, as is the case with a couple of runners this year.

Could probably agree that the current 3 months could be extended out to 6 months.

As for the rest, it stimulates interest, creates a market for owners to seek out the right type of horse. The likes of Cody Morgan have seen horses purchased and sent to him for this and the country champ race - please explain how this is a bad thing?


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« 2020-Sep-15, 01:34 PM Reply #118 »

The policy concepts are just not sound.

I do not believe it is good policy to pretend 'metropolitan' and 'rural' racing are substitutes.

Offering big money for races restricted to 'rural' contenders is an invitation to game the rules and, in effect, exclude rural contenders .....and it further confounds the business to run 'rural' events in  the city ............ the sense of deception is evident in the rough results of the 'highway' races and the mountain and 'no star' races.

.....and all this is driven by some misguided administrators' ambitions to have 'crowds on course'.

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« 2020-Sep-15, 03:05 PM Reply #119 »
the sense of deception is evident in the rough results of the 'highway' races '.


Youíre either ignorant or a bald faced liar.....or London to a brick on for both  :lol:

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« 2020-Sep-15, 04:52 PM Reply #120 »
............ the sense of deception is evident in the rough results of the 'highway' races and the mountain and 'no star' races.


  :lol:

You still on about that "Rough Results" = "Corrupt Racing" stuff Pete?

  :lol:

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« 2020-Sep-15, 05:47 PM Reply #121 »
Yep, despite favoured horses winning more often than not.
At a guess Iíd say 4 of the last 5 winners have been fave or 2nd fave.

The blokes a clown and a self promoting liar.

Heís already confessed to that 8-)

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« 2020-Sep-17, 10:16 AM Reply #122 »
Away from the politicking (I have often opined on this forum that when you get people bitching about "too much prizemoney" then you know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and it can be used that an indicator that the race club is actually doing something right) there are a couple of runners on the weekend that will be interesting to follow.

The favourite Front Page is running at Caulfield in an 1100m race. $2.80 in pre-post.

It's Me, on the 5th line of betting will attempt back to back highways at Randwick. $1.75 in early markets.


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« 2020-Sep-17, 05:31 PM Reply #123 »
I luv Front Page 💖

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« 2020-Sep-19, 02:22 PM Reply #124 »
That win by It's Me was just breathtaking. Dare I say it a win of almost Winx like domination.

The unbeaten 4yo mare is now the Kozzie favourite and no wonder.

Front Page not disgraced in Melbourne but then again compared to It's Me  :chin:

Thought the apprentice made a mistake in not serving it up a bit more to the leader earlier with the light weight on it's back.


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