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Offline governor

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O.P. « 2009-Mar-04, 07:30 AM »
Where is a market for the Derby

for that matter where is a market for the randwick guineas

1- DAVID JONES AJC AUSTRALIAN DERBY (2400 METRES)

Of $1600000 and $12700 trophies. 1st $960000 and trophies of $11700 to owner $500 to trainer $500 to jockey, 2nd $304000, 3rd $152000, 4th $72000, 5th $40000, 6th $24000, 7th $24000, 8th $24000.

Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners.

For Three-Years-Old. Set Weights. (GROUP 1).

No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Handicapper
Rating
1 CONISTON BLUEBIRD Bede Murray Scott Seamer 13 56.5 98
2 METAL BENDER (NZ) Jack Denham Danny Nikolic 14 56.5 104
3 ROCK KINGDOM Gai Waterhouse Craig Williams 12 56.5 95
4 SOUSA (NZ) Peter Snowden Kerrin McEvoy 1 56.5 97
5 DR DOUTE'S Mark Kavanagh Michael Rodd 10 56.5 97
6 PREDATORY PRICER Paul Murray Glyn Schofield 8 56.5 90
7 PRE EMINENCE Mick Price Craig Newitt 6 56.5 96
8 BUFFETT (NZ) Danny O'Brien Damien Oliver 3 56.5 83
9 HARRIS TWEED (NZ) Murray & Bjorn Baker Hugh Bowman 2 56.5
10 BIG COL Peter Gelagotis Chris Munce 5 56.5
11 ROMAN EMPEROR (NZ) Bart Cummings Jim Cassidy 16 56.5 71
12 GIGINO (NZ) Chris Waller Peter Robl 11 56.5 68
13 OLD JOCK (NZ) John Sargent Corey Brown 15 56.5 75
14 NAVAL ESCORT (NZ) David Payne 4 56.5 63
15 SMART CHOICE Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 7 56.5
16 BUCCANEERS PRIZE (NZ) David Payne 9 56.5 62
« Last Edit: 2009-Apr-08, 10:02 AM by MagiC~* »

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« 2009-Mar-04, 02:20 PM Reply #1 »
Not quite what you were after.  :)

Orca's unorthodox road to Derby
Tuesday, 3 March 2009:

Guy Walter is taking an unorthodox path to the AJC Australian Derby with Orca who runs in a restricted race at Randwick on Saturday.

While many other Derby aspirants will be in the Randwick Guineas (1600m) a week later before going on to the Rosehill Guineas (2000m) on March 28, Walter believes that is less than ideal.

The Warwick Farm trainer said he believed the demise of the Canterbury Guineas over 1900 metres in favour of the Randwick feature meant the staying three-year-olds did not get the necessary preparation for the 2400m Classic on April 11.

"Since they abandoned the Canterbury Guineas it is a very poor progression of distances," Walter said.

"Orca will run over 1600 metres, then go to an 1800-metre race in preparation for the Rosehill Guineas and the Derby."

Although he is still a maiden, Orca showed his promise in the Melbourne spring with his third to Whobegotyou in the Group Two AAMI Vase (2040m) which followed a close second to Sarem over 1600m at Caulfield.

At his first start since his 10th in the Victoria Derby, Orca finished an unlucky seventh over 1200 metres to Centennial Park at Rosehill on February 7.

He put in an encouraging effort on a wet track two weeks later when fourth to O'Lonhro over 1500 metres, less than a length from the winner.

Orca's stablemate Rocha will follow the stakes races towards the AJC Australian Oaks with the fillies Classic opened up due to the career-threatening injury to Samantha Miss.

Rocha, who like Orca is raced by former New Zealand Test cricketer Terry Jarvis, will run in Saturday's Surround Stakes (1400m) which attracted 25 entries.

The slow track at Randwick for the Light Fingers Stakes on February 14 was not to Rocha's liking and Walter said he expected better on a firmer surface.

Rocha won the Wakeful Stakes (2000m) at Flemington on November 1 and was a fair fifth to Samantha Miss in the Oaks after having to work hard from a wide barrier.

Quality mare Bernicia was another who struck form in Melbourne, winning the Listed Summoned Stakes (1500m), and she will race in Saturday's Wiggle Quality (1400m).

At her first start since her Melbourne win, Bernicia ran fourth in the Breeders Classic (1200m) won by Hot Danish who is also entered for the Wiggle.

Walter, who trained Tie The Knot to win a record four Chipping Norton Stakes, won't have a runner in the feature on Saturday but is still hoping for a Group One victory on the day.

He will take Salinger Stakes runner-up Fighting Fund back to the Flemington straight course in the hopes of causing an upset in the Group One Newmarket Handicap (1200m).

"He has a great first-up record and I think it looks like an ideal race for him," he said.

Fighting Fund has won three from six first-up and is a $41 chance ahead of Wednesday's declaration of the final field and barrier draw.

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« 2009-Mar-04, 02:38 PM Reply #2 »
Oh brother !

The best stayer will win the AJC Derby. As he proved last spring, there is no doubt Rebel Raider is Australia's premier staying 3YO .....

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« 2009-Mar-04, 02:39 PM Reply #3 »
Are they going to stuff him up running him all these short course events.

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« 2009-Mar-13, 04:29 PM Reply #4 »
Win    2009 AJC AUST DERBY (ALL IN)
Select the winner.
No.    Description    Win    Place
38109
   
CAYMANS
   
$5.50
   
$2.12
38113
   
DEFINITIVE
   
$6.50
   
$2.37
38108
   
BUFFETT
   
$9.00
   
$3.00
38140
   
PRE EMINENCE
   
$9.00
   
$3.00
38142
   
PREDATORY PRICER
   
$9.00
   
$3.00
38115
   
DR DOUTES
   
$13.00
   
$4.00
38121
   
GALLICA
   
$13.00
   
$4.00
38144
   
REBEL RAIDER
   
$13.00
   
$4.00
38152
   
SOUSA
   
$13.00
   
$4.00
38166
   
ZAPURPLE
   
$13.00
   
$4.00
38117
   
EXCELLTASTIC
   
$17.00
   
$5.00
38136
   
ORCA
   
$17.00
   
$5.00
38138
   
PALACIO DE CRISTAL
   
$17.00
   
$5.00
38145
   
RHYNO CHASER
   
$17.00
   
$5.00
38149
   
ROMAN EMPEROR
   
$17.00
   
$5.00
38114
   
DOWN THE ROAD
   
$21.00
   
$6.00
38128
   
METAL BENDER
   
$21.00
   
$6.00
38155
   
STOKEHOUSE
   
$26.00
   
$7.25
38161
   
TOBIQUE
   
$26.00
   
$7.25
38164
   
YOUTHFUL JACK
   
$26.00
   
$7.25
38110
   
CONISTON BLUEBIRD
   
$31.00
   
$8.50
38122
   
GIGINO
   
$31.00
   
$8.50
38157
   
TELL A TALE
   
$31.00
   
$8.50
38123
   
GLOWLAMP
   
$41.00
   
$11.00
38143
   
PURPLE
   
$41.00
   
$11.00
38104
   
BERLIOZ
   
$51.00
   
$13.50
38124
   
HARRIS TWEED
   
$51.00
   
$13.50
38147
   
ROCK KINGDOM
   
$51.00
   
$13.50
38102
   
ALLEZ WONDER
   
$61.00
   
$16.00
38103
   
ASTRO GAINS
   
$61.00
   
$16.00
38119
   
FIGHT AND DEFEND
   
$61.00
   
$16.00
38158
   
THE ASTRONOMER
   
$61.00
   
$16.00
38163
   
WILLY JIMMY
   
$81.00
   
$21.00
38101
   
AIGLON
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38106
   
BONDARCHUK
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38111
   
COUBERTIN
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38118
   
FEARS NOTHING
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38126
   
LORD PINDARI
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38132
   
MULTAHB
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38135
   
OLD JOCK
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38137
   
OVER THE WICKET
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38139
   
PENTIRE POINT
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38141
   
PRECEDENCE
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38151
   
SNOW ALERT
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38153
   
ST IVES
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38156
   
TAN TAT DANCER
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38160
   
THINK MONEY
   
$101.00
   
$26.00
38116
   
EMOTIONAL OUTBURST
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38125
   
HINT
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38133
   
MUSICAL HIT
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38134
   
NAVAL ESCORT
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38146
   
RICH ENDOWMENT
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38150
   
SMART CHOICE
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38159
   
THE ZEEBAC
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38162
   
TOGHA
   
$151.00
   
$38.50
38105
   
BIG SAI WAN
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38107
   
BUCCANEERS PRIZE
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38120
   
FRERE DAN
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38127
   
MATEO
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38129
   
MOCHA COFFEE
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38154
   
STANLEYS DEED
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38165
   
ZANABAA
   
$201.00
   
$51.00
38112
   
DAWNFIRE DANCER
   
$301.00
   
$76.00
38130
   
MOTIVE
   
$301.00
   
$76.00
38131
   
MOUNT EARNSLAW
   
$301.00
   
$76.00
38148
   
ROCK TO EXCESS
   
$301.00
   
$76.00
All In Betting
Closing Time: 11th Apr 2009 5:00 pm

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« 2009-Mar-13, 04:34 PM Reply #5 »
gee suprised so many in front of rebel raider ?

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« 2009-Mar-13, 05:02 PM Reply #6 »
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« 2009-Mar-13, 10:36 PM Reply #7 »
Where is this market from ?

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« 2009-Mar-14, 06:48 AM Reply #8 »
Where is this market from ?


NSW TAB fixed odds

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« 2009-Mar-14, 08:36 AM Reply #9 »
Who follows the NSW provincials? How much promise is Willy Jimmy showing?

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« 2009-Mar-14, 06:27 PM Reply #10 »
gee suprised so many in front of rebel raider ?

Why?  What price do reckon it would be if it had been scratched and not run in the Vic Derby?

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« 2009-Mar-15, 09:21 AM Reply #11 »
what's that got to do with anything? it ran - 100/1 after yesterday though

denham's two into melito/real saga will pay

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« 2009-Mar-18, 11:35 AM Reply #12 »
Can't believe Caymans is so short in the market. He looks like dozens of other horses this stable has had who are assumed to be stayers as young horses because they run on but end up best in fast run mile races. He looks a classic example.

I'd be surprised if Sousa isn't their best Derby horse.

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« 2009-Mar-18, 12:23 PM Reply #13 »
I don't think the stable would rate Caymans ahead of Sousa either.

Whether they have anything upto Derby standard is probably a bigger question.

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« 2009-Mar-18, 12:27 PM Reply #14 »
Who follows the NSW provincials? How much promise is Willy Jimmy showing?


has to step up to city class,but looks as if he will get the trip,and hes from a good yard

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« 2009-Mar-19, 06:38 PM Reply #15 »
Thanks Judge...he went around today in open class at Kensington. Sixth beaten a bit over two lengths...liked the run but looks like the AJC Derby will come around too quickly. Looks to have a future. Qld maybe.

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« 2009-Mar-20, 04:17 PM Reply #16 »
TOBIQUE

2nd dam - Mannerism

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« 2009-Apr-08, 09:43 AM Reply #17 »
At $15, I don't mind Predatory Pricer.  A bit coltish early in the campaign and the mud didn't help him last week.  At the price on a firmer track he looks ok to me each way. 

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« 2009-Apr-08, 09:46 AM Reply #18 »
SOUSA
   
$4.20
   
$1.80

A really good trial for this last start.

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« 2009-Apr-08, 11:48 AM Reply #19 »
Would much rather Bowman on Sousa again rather than Mcevoy. Had Craig Williams been on Rock Kingdom last time it probably would have won, hes a great jock in the close ones and I think Rock Kingdom deserves to win and should love the extra 400m so I'll be on it E/W.
« Last Edit: 2009-Apr-09, 10:41 AM by Mark »

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« 2009-Apr-08, 11:51 AM Reply #20 »
Having said that Sousa won a G1 on slow going and it will be hard to beat, as will Metal Bender once again.

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« 2009-Apr-08, 12:00 PM Reply #21 »
Does anyone have a view on Dr Doutes running a place? Seemed to pull hard last start on a heavy track so unless there is a problem with him settling again, I an't see why he won't run the distance especially if the track is dead as they expect on Sat. The only drawback with the some of the favoured runners is the barrier draw and the pace. Some of them may have to use some juice or try to come back from the rear. Will be interesting to see if the track has any bias too. 

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« 2009-Apr-08, 12:03 PM Reply #22 »
thats got to be your fear,him pulling,brave man to say he won't,considering theres also 400m extra to travel

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« 2009-Apr-08, 12:14 PM Reply #23 »
Jim Cassidy for J.B. Cummings?  :chin:

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« 2009-Apr-08, 01:14 PM Reply #24 »
38152 SOUSA   4.20 1.80
38128 METAL BENDER   4.80 1.95
38124 HARRIS TWEED   8.50 2.87
38147 ROCK KINGDOM   8.50 2.87
38140 PRE EMINENCE   12.00 3.75
38110 CONISTON BLUEBIRD   12.00 3.75
38108 BUFFETT   13.00 4.00
38142 PREDATORY PRICER   15.00 4.50
38115 DR DOUTES   15.00 4.50
38149 ROMAN EMPEROR   15.00 4.50
38167 BIG COL   21.00 6.00
38135 OLD JOCK   31.00 8.50
38122 GIGINO   41.00 11.00
38150 SMART CHOICE   151.00 38.50
38134 NAVAL ESCORT   151.00 38.50
38107 BUCCANEERS PRIZE   201.00 51.00


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