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Offline Arsenal

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« 2020-Apr-05, 05:10 PM Reply #1075 »
Big upset in the Gundagai Cup today won by Monkery which is trained on the track it had shocking form but likes the wet..... same owners and colours of Tie The Knot SP $81 but much longer on the TAB's........ impossible to consider unless using the pick a pin selection system ......race caller's surprise is worth listening to.

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/Results.aspx?Key=2020Apr05%2CNSW%2CGundagai

Also the Wellington Cup nearly pinched by Mackellars Love at one point  I assume it was out of the callers range as he called Mr Epic the leader it was 15L behind but corrected it at his next call ......shame to see it run down in the shadow of the post.

Darren Flindell apparently doesn't know the difference between a hat and a cap he keeps referring to different jockey's caps as hats.

Giddy Up :beer: 

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« 2020-Apr-05, 05:27 PM Reply #1076 »
"SP $81 but much longer on the TAB's"

Possibly due to being a local??

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« 2020-Apr-05, 05:34 PM Reply #1077 »
Quaddy pool was 22k and 13k jackpotted

Mair will be beside himself😝

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« 2020-Apr-05, 08:07 PM Reply #1078 »
Big upset in the Gundagai Cup today won by Monkery which is trained on the track it had shocking form but likes the wet..... same owners and colours of Tie The Knot

Yes owned by Olly Tait and Jill Nivison. Oliver's father Sandy owned Tie The Knot with Jill.

The Nivison's have a Group 3 race named after them and both families have ties up Walcha way near where I used to live and my extended family live.

Daisie and Peter Tait won the inaugural "Broodmare Of The Year" award in 1970 with their famous mare Dark Jewel, who has a black type race named after at the Scone carnival.

Dark Jewel produced Baguette and Cabachon.

I think it all started for the family with the mare Valicare, who won a string of stakes races including the Doncaster, All Aged and Rawson Stakes in the 1920s. Valicare produced 1936 Wakeful-Oaks winner Siren and the 1933 Cantala Stks winner Care Free - it was actually called the Cantala Stks in 1933 and has only recently reverted back to that name.

Before today Monkery had 5 starts this time in finishing no closer than 3rd to last. Beaten over 10 lengths into last placing last start. Did win 3 in a row last campaign though all on rain affected going.  Won like an even money shot, not a $126 chance.






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« 2020-Apr-05, 08:35 PM Reply #1079 »
Clearly the wet was the key but......

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« 2020-Apr-07, 10:04 AM Reply #1080 »
The stewards reports for Scone for yesterday haven't been posted yet but I'll be interested to read Race 2's report where the $1.80 favourite was poleaxed and put out of the race just passing the 1200m

Hard to be 100% certain from the footage but looks like the horse that caused the interference was pushed there by another horse - perhaps Sammy Clenton might be in some strife???

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2020Apr06&VenueCode=MjQyMTU4&RaceNumber=2&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Stewards

The favourite Shining Eagle is a daughter of G1 winner Dashing Eagle - who won a Flight Stakes and was a daughter of La Cassiere who won the same race.

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« 2020-Apr-07, 01:48 PM Reply #1081 »
Report there now PP. You were correct,

Shining Eagle–S Clenton, the rider of The Premier, pleaded guilty to a charge under AR131a, stating that she engaged in careless riding when she directed her mount inwards passing the 1100m, when insufficiently clear of Kazumi, which was crowded and forced into the path of Shining Eagle, which had to be checked very severely and lost considerable ground, resulting in Forbidden Palace, which was following having to be
checked in consequence. S Clenton’s license to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence Wednesday15/4/20 and expire Saturday24/4/20, on which day she may resume.

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« 2020-Apr-07, 01:56 PM Reply #1082 »
2 stunning runs in the ,ast 2 days
Strawb in the last @ Scine yesterday & Joey's Gift in the 2nd @ Ballina today.

Check out the turn of foot that both display.

Ones a blue blood and the other, well......it was still an amazing win :clap2:

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« 2020-Apr-07, 02:31 PM Reply #1083 »
Report there now PP. You were correct,

Shining Eagle–S Clenton, the rider of The Premier, pleaded guilty to a charge under AR131a, stating that she engaged in careless riding when she directed her mount inwards passing the 1100m, when insufficiently clear of Kazumi, which was crowded and forced into the path of Shining Eagle, which had to be checked very severely and lost considerable ground, resulting in Forbidden Palace, which was following having to be
checked in consequence. S Clenton’s license to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence Wednesday15/4/20 and expire Saturday24/4/20, on which day she may resume.

Thanks sobig.

I thought that interference was as bad as Jonker got in the Magic Millions a couple of years ago.

She has got off very lightly IMO.

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« 2020-Apr-08, 09:24 PM Reply #1084 »
2 stunning runs in the ,ast 2 days
Strawb in the last @ Scone yesterday & Joey's Gift in the 2nd @ Ballina today.

Check out the turn of foot that both display.

Ones a blue blood and the other, well......it was still an amazing win :clap2:

https://www.unnamedwebsite.com.au/news/australian-racing/watch-is-this-500-bargain-buy-a-future-star/597680?fbclid=IwAR37gPM1kwej9LjhAZhvydgQtR9TKSCmj0FksiQVYsUl9yBVNVDsMnM2GZg

The run needs to be seen to be believed Shocked

Posted by: Ric Chapman
I’m not saying this filly will scale any great heights, and no doubt there will be comments below after reading this, stating, “oh she beat nothing.” Which may all prove to be correct.
After all, this was only a bush maiden 2YO.
But, I think you’ll agree this was some sort of performance…..opposition aside.
o set it up, I watch replay after replay after replay. And often I see good runs. I mark them down as horses to back next start. I also get excited about the performances, as we all do, about the superstar racehorses.

Then once in a while, a very long while, I just find myself saying….wow! And that happened to me watching this lowly 2YO Mdn race at Ballina on Tuesday.

The horse, is a little chestnut filly with a white snip on her head, called JOEY’S GIFT (Pluck-Special Order), and she blew from $20 to start at $41.

How that is possible I don’t know. Surely her owner, Sharon Wilson, must have been informed at the very least that her horse, ‘goes alright.’ Perhaps she doesn’t punt.

Anyway, well, you watch the video.

She bungles the start by 2 lengths, is 10 off the pace, made by experienced horses, as they come to the tiny home turn, then changes legs, races erratically in the straight, yet her last 200m was breathtaking. And remember, this was her very first race start after just one trial where she was beaten half a furlong. To be fair though, she was under a stranglehold all the way in the trial.

I’m going to Black Book her. Her last 600m was the fastest of any horse on the day at the meeting.

But apart from the run, the Joey’s Gift story is a great little yarn in itself.

She was raised at Glen Gallic Stud in Martindale, which is in the Hunter Valley of NSW near Denman, and offered as a 2Y0 for sale at the January Inglis Online Digital auction.

She didn’t attract a bid.

“Exactly 11 weeks ago today I purchased Joey’s Gift for $500, privately off the farm, and I offered shares in her with very little interest. In fact, no one wanted to buy in. It was Sharon Wilson who stepped up and took her on,” said said Robert Agnew her trainer.

“Fast forward 11 weeks and yesterday she won her first start very impressively at Ballina and took home $11,000.

“So proud of her, and she is my first win as a jockey/trainer – it has been a slow process to get to where we are now.”

Robert Agnew had just 2 horses at the time of purchase.

Joey’s Gift, who has an unplaced older sibling, in winning on debut here, became the first winner from her unraced Fusaichi Pegasus mum named Special Order.

And more importantly than that, as mentioned by Agnew, she is the first winner EVER trained by him. He only took out his trainer’s licence this time last year!

Oh, and to make it just that little bit sweeter for Agnew, his other horse, CHILLIE COD (Sun Of May-Miss Moguls) ran 3rd in the same race.

“I have learnt a lot in the short time I have been on the training side of things and I’ve gone from 1 horse to 4 in work now,” said Agnew who wants more of the above.

“Yes, the plan is to keep on growing. And I can’t do that without owners, so next time you see a post of a horse with shares available from me, this story could be about you.”

Touche.

As for owner Ms Wilson, this is also her VERY first winner as an owner.

“No one wanted her, but to me, it just felt right at the time. There really isn’t any other reason lol!!” she said.

“But, it’s a decision I won’t regret!!”

Agnew’s base is at Port Macquarie.

I think we might hear more from him and indeed little Joey’s Gift

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« 2020-Apr-09, 07:24 AM Reply #1085 »
Hmmmm,

I think it may be one of those perception bias things but things time will tell. Flattered by poor last sectionals of the leaders possibly creating a good but false impression.

There is a reason that maiden to class 1 can be the toughest class bridge to cross.

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« 2020-Apr-09, 07:43 AM Reply #1086 »

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« 2020-Apr-09, 08:44 AM Reply #1087 »
Hmmmm,

A bit like one of Winx's early wins.

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« 2020-Apr-09, 10:17 AM Reply #1088 »
Joey's Gift looks like she was running in a race way below her grade.

That was an open 2YO race which in my experience is a few lengths above 2YO maidens.

Will be interested to see where Agnew goes next with her.

Dam died on the 22nd January and Joey's is only one of two named produce.


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« 2020-Apr-09, 11:10 AM Reply #1089 »
PP , you may know. Is this the same Robert Agnew who was apprenticed to T J Smith? If it is , he couldn't have got  a better teacher.

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« 2020-Apr-09, 12:18 PM Reply #1090 »
PP , you may know. Is this the same Robert Agnew who was apprenticed to T J Smith? If it is , he couldn't have got  a better teacher.
It would have to be his son Gunbower.......the years pass too quickly.

Robert Agnew Snr died young.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/agnew-jr-does-it-for-dad/news-story/5e7a5a6386002ec4a7ca1946a2cf75b5?sv=b78f2d6bd66827ca5540bd5052396cba

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« 2020-Apr-09, 12:43 PM Reply #1091 »
It would have to be his son Gunbower.......the years pass too quickly.

Robert Agnew Snr died young.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/agnew-jr-does-it-for-dad/news-story/5e7a5a6386002ec4a7ca1946a2cf75b5?sv=b78f2d6bd66827ca5540bd5052396cba

Didn't know that he passed away. So young. Only 48 with encephalitis. That's very sad.

Reminded me of another Tommy Smith apprentice that was killed in a track riding accident but I can't remember his name. Red headed guy. Had a drink with him once at Maroubra Seals club back in the eighties.

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« 2020-Apr-09, 03:26 PM Reply #1092 »
Was it Noel Barker ?

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« 2020-Apr-09, 07:16 PM Reply #1093 »
Was it Noel Barker ?

That was him gunbower.

Noely Barker.

A mutual friend came out our way for a drink one Friday Night and brought Noel with him. Very quiet shy kid - barely said a word. Lanky like Hugh.

His Dad Tom Barker worked for TJ as well. He passed away in 2018. Noel's brother, Kevin, who worked for Bart passed away too early as well in 2009.

It was a big shock when Noel died. Horse spooked by a seagull. Very sad to think that Noel would be in his 50's now.

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« 2020-Apr-09, 07:48 PM Reply #1094 »
You are right PP . I forgot his father also worked for TJ. Noel Barker was  a very good rider as I remember.

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« 2020-Apr-10, 10:40 AM Reply #1095 »
You are right PP . I forgot his father also worked for TJ. Noel Barker was  a very good rider as I remember.

He was a pioneer in Australian jockeys going to Hong Kong and think he may have even won a premiership there - happy to be corrected.

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« 2020-Apr-10, 10:58 AM Reply #1096 »
Picture of Noel aboard four time Group 1 winner Alibhai (trained by TJ Smith)


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« 2020-Apr-14, 10:07 AM Reply #1097 »
Can anyone provide me with their ratings on the 7th at Newcastle today?
I’ve got 2 black bookers at big prices and can’t seperate them

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« 2020-Apr-14, 10:22 AM Reply #1098 »
Wily ole dog,

 :fishing: ??

Do the rounds of the ratings providers if you must and find the ones most accurate for todays conditions and stage of preparation for each horse.

Nice problem to have for you if the both end up in the first four. You know what to do as I have given examples in the past.

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« 2020-Apr-14, 10:58 AM Reply #1099 »
I divide into City v Provincial v Country

Will ignore anything Country/Provincial if there is significant city form in the race - but not totally. That is reflected in the points column

Have I picked the two (comments column)   :biggrin:

No Rating Class Odds Comments Points Chance Value Overprice
3 53.5 City $3.40
5 18.52% $5.40 62.96%
6 53 City $15.00 Unlucky last start 5 18.52% $5.40 277.78%
7 53.5 City $4.20
5 18.52% $5.40 77.78%
8 55 Prov $26.00 Wide last start 2 7.41% $13.50 192.59%
9 54 Prov $6.50
1 3.70% $27.00 24.07%
11 56 Prov $7.00
2 7.41% $13.50 51.85%
12 56.5 Prov $7.50
2 7.41% $13.50 55.56%
13 54 Prov $12.00
1 3.70% $27.00 44.44%
15 53.5 Prov $51.00
1 3.70% $27.00 188.89%
16 51.5 Prov $21.00
1 3.70% $27.00 77.78%
17 48 Prov $26.00
1 3.70% $27.00 96.30%
19 53.5 Prov $21.00
1 3.70% $27.00 77.78%

Playard was dead stiff last start but his rating (without adjustment) for that race was not as good as his city rating. 21 starts. Only 3 wins. Stable is up against some big guns.... :chin:

Manabar was 3 and 4 deep the entire journey. Wondering if retaining the same jock is a good idea. Winner flopped as an odds on favourite next start. 7 YO Gelding probably worth a ticket at the odds.

#15 has come up on the radar screen. Would have to reproduce the run 4 starts ago to figure - stable has a tendency to get them up at odds.

But let's get serious. Waller and Waterhouse/Bott have runners in this with reasonable city form. I'd want a premium to bet outside those two if having a bet.


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