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Offline PoisonPen7

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O.P. « 2012-Apr-17, 01:22 AM »
A huge operation and probably deserves a thread of it's own.

http://www.darley.com.au/

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« 2012-Apr-17, 01:29 AM Reply #1 »
In spite of the win of Lonhro's son Pierro in the Slipper, don't think the stable is going that well at the moment.

Just looking through the Stakes winners had to go back to Feb 11th when Pied A Terre won the G2 Autumn stakes at Caulfield for Snowden.

Anthony Freedman won the Auraria Stakes last Saturday with Crucial.

But overall must be a disappointing 2012 for them after the heights reached last year with Sepoy and Helmet.

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« 2012-Apr-17, 06:29 AM Reply #2 »
Think the stable going through a lean period is a result of their 2yo's not being top shelf this year and their best 3yo's / older horses being poached for the Goldolphin operation. Put Helmet, Sepoy, Soul and the front running grey that I can't remember the name of back in the stable and they would be looking a lot better. Add to this the few they lost to Goldolphin the year before and their top shelf depth is very questionable. They are still going at the lower class meetings.

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« 2012-Apr-17, 07:39 AM Reply #3 »
Agreed RG - for 3 or 4 seasons now a core group of stakes quality older horses has been pouched out of the stable.

Pretty hard to be competitive in the bigger races when you're left with little ammo  :chin:

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« 2012-Apr-17, 07:44 AM Reply #4 »
The sad thing is that apart from Soul, none of the others have performed to anywhere near the level they were at here.

I can't understand why Snowden doesn't get given a bunch of Gr3 middle distance / stayers by the Sheik. Surely Goldolphin has 10 or more of these second level stayers every season, who aren't going to win Gr1's in Europe but would be in the thick of things down here.

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« 2012-Apr-17, 08:12 AM Reply #5 »
 The short term  problem in Snowdens yard in Sydney  bigger than losing horses.

I suspect he has had a virus or something go through the joint. In the last 6 weeks  he has barely had a horse run up to its best anywhere in the state . Even in the midweek and provincials his lot are going lengths worse than usual. It has been a fill up on betfair.

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« 2012-Apr-17, 10:58 AM Reply #6 »
The short term  problem in Snowdens yard in Sydney  bigger than losing horses.

I suspect he has had a virus or something go through the joint. In the last 6 weeks  he has barely had a horse run up to its best anywhere in the state . Even in the midweek and provincials his lot are going lengths worse than usual. It has been a fill up on betfair.

The poor general performances of the Sydney stable has been my observation as well.

Beaded had one of the most consistent records of any horse running around. Her two runs this campaign were dreadful and it looks like she has been put out.

Epaulette stretched Pierro's neck in the Todman. Ran last in the Slipper. Narcissus ran 2nd to Samaready in the Magic Night. Ran 13th in the Slipper.

Galah ran 3rd on Saturday which while a huge turnaround on his recent form is probably still short of his best.

Win strike rate is running well below what you normally expect.


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« 2012-Apr-17, 01:08 PM Reply #7 »

I can't understand why Snowden doesn't get given a bunch of Gr3 middle distance / stayers by the Sheik. Surely Goldolphin has 10 or more of these second level stayers every season, who aren't going to win Gr1's in Europe but would be in the thick of things down here.

Now this is a very smart idea. Astounding they haven't tried it   emthup
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« 2012-Apr-17, 04:44 PM Reply #8 »
My theory on the non performance of the Darley horses is that it goes back to November last year. At that time Peter Snowden was fined $4 000 for a positive swab to phenlbutazone and oxyphenlbutazone.

At the hearing, Peter Snowden stated that the stable had a policy of administering oral bute to the horses when they returned to the stable after racing. This was to help with their recovery. Peter Snowden told the inquirey that they would refrain from doing this in the future.

As bute is a pain killer, I have thought ever since, he probably wouldn't be able to work his horses as hard as he used to. Therefore they might not be as fit as they used to be. The Sydney stable at the moment has a losing sequence of 31 in the metropolitan area.

As an afterthought maybe Gai is using the bute tablets. As, since Snowden stopped using it, she has moved from about 10 fewer metropolitan winners  than Snowden to 28 more.

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« 2012-May-30, 06:23 PM Reply #9 »
Am currently interested in Exceed and Excel so was looking at the Darley website for info.
Darley have videos of his wins.
I knew he won 7 so not surprised to see 7 videos on their list:

Newmarket H (G1), 1200m, Flemington, 06 Mar 2004
Sovereign S (G2), 1200m, Randwick, 14 Feb 2004
Dubai Racing Club Cup (G1), 1400m, Caulfield, 21 Sep 2003
Roman Consul (G3), 1200m, Randwick, 06 Sep 2003
Up & Coming S (G2), 1200m, Randwick, 23 Aug 2003
San Domenico S (G2), 1000m, Randwick, 09 Aug 2003
Todman S (G2), 1200m, Rosehill, 29 Mar 2003

Then I noticed they included a video of him winning the 2003 San Domenico.
Only problem is I thought Regimental Gal won that race.
Turns out the video of him winning is not the San Domenico but a second video of him winning the Roman Consul but with a different race call on the audio track so you don't immediately recognise it as the same race.

Anyone can screw up and I am sure this was just incompetence, not an attempt to mislead prospective breeders.

I emailed Darley politely pointing out the error last Sunday.
No response yet and as of Wednesday night the "San Domenico win" is still playing on their website.

Nice one Darley!


 

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« 2012-May-31, 01:21 AM Reply #10 »
Probably one of his most impressive wins (if not the best) was the win in the G1 Victoria Hcp 1400m (Rupert Clarke or something these days)  - smashed the track record. Was a Sept 3yo at the time and carried the #5 saddlecloth, which makes it even more impressive.

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« 2012-May-31, 08:04 AM Reply #11 »
I think it was called the Dubai Racing Club Cup in the year he won it.
I believe he carried saddle cloth 7 (jumped from gate 5).
And yes, very impressive win; and what a great sire he has turned out to be.

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« 2012-Jun-11, 01:05 PM Reply #12 »
In Brissy it doesn't matter if you are the biggest name in Aust Racing your Limo still has to park a mile away and Henry Plumtree and Jason Walsh from Darley team had to walk to catch their ride,I wonder if David Jones people or Gai had to do the same??. :chin:

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« 2013-Jan-02, 08:07 AM Reply #13 »
Another Darley castoff won yesterday "Hello I Love You" being a well bred mare but only two wins in nine starts but if owners are intending to breed from her it could be ok depending on who they get to cover her,she is by Lonhro from Tamales so has the Nachos and Enchilada blood in her veins.

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« 2013-Oct-12, 04:59 PM Reply #14 »
Great day for the stable winning the two 3yo G1's in Sydney and Melbourne and both horses look like they could win some more down the track.

Guelph will be odds on in the Thousand Guineas and if Complacent goes to Melbourne they might end up having a very nice carnival.

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« 2013-Oct-12, 05:03 PM Reply #15 »
....the two 3yos sired by Street Cry (Long John) and Authorized (Complacent) - no Commands or Lonhro  :o

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« 2014-May-21, 03:50 PM Reply #16 »
We know that John O'Shea took over the training ranks from Peter Snowden but why and who has Darren Beadman taken over as Assistant trainer from or was Peter such a wonder I always thought he was didn't need one???I managed a million dollar a week business with 78 staff with no assistant but it took it's toll on my health but the Darley operation is much bigger than that so what has happened with the Darley changeover??.

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« 2014-May-21, 04:21 PM Reply #17 »
Paul was his assistant IIRC

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« 2014-May-21, 08:42 PM Reply #18 »
Don't think he took over from anybody, he was added to the staff.

Why is everything a conspiracy  :what:

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:05 PM Reply #19 »
Another group of Darley horses culled in a sale this week....if I was to buy a used galloper I wouldn't bypass one from Darley stable it has been proven you can get a bargain G1 winner at these sales.

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:10 PM Reply #20 »
Hi Kool


Where was the sale? Can we see the results somewhere?

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:18 PM Reply #21 »
Another group of Darley horses culled in a sale this week....if I was to buy a used galloper I wouldn't bypass one from Darley stable it has been proven you can get a bargain G1 winner at these sales.

I remember going to a Darley dispersal sale a few years back and they sold the grey Hadaaf - think it was either $25k or $50k.

New owners sent him to Joe Pride and they earned heaps of prizemoney with that horse who raced for many years after that.

Agree with you Kool. A good place to pick up a bargain.

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:19 PM Reply #22 »
I remember going to a Darley dispersal sale a few years back and they sold the grey Hadaaf - think it was either $25k or $50k.

New owners sent him to Joe Pride and they earned heaps of prizemoney with that horse who raced for many years after that.

Agree with you Kool. A good place to pick up a bargain.



Also the Annual Lloyd Williams sales turn up a few winners.

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:21 PM Reply #23 »
Wily...Inglis Melbourne Sale on Friday...19 lots sold for $556.700.oo with Sakitto going to QLD for 64K and Proverb to Vic for 52.500K,I assume results on their site I haven't looked yet.

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« 2014-Aug-23, 02:47 PM Reply #24 »
I didn't have to wait long to see the Darley O'shea trained colours against the Darley other trained colours raced against each other in Melb race one with Anthony Freedman Maroon and White 2nd  beating the Royal Blue colours of O'shea 4th...I knew I would like this new system...I was hoping the Royal Blue with Occitan to beat the Maroon and White tho.

Memorial failed in Sydney after she ran out of puff close to finish today to finish 2nd to talented Bring Me The Maid.


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