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Online PoisonPen7

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« 2015-Jun-22, 05:24 AM Reply #150 »
Now that's food for thought

Nothing you post is "food for thought".

You have become a predictable bore.

Why don't you try and replace the broken record at some point and post something interesting. There's a good boy now.

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« 2015-Jun-22, 07:00 AM Reply #151 »
Nothing you post is "food for thought".

You have become a predictable bore.

Why don't you try and replace the broken record at some point and post something interesting. There's a good boy now.


A very poor attempt at any sort of rebuttal, but when your litany of lies has once again been exposed, not unexpected.   :yes: :yes: :yes:

I hasten to add "The prosecution has nothing further your honour"    :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:


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« 2015-Jun-22, 10:12 AM Reply #152 »

A very poor attempt at any sort of rebuttal, but when your litany of lies has once again been exposed, not unexpected.   :yes: :yes: :yes:

I hasten to add "The prosecution has nothing further your honour"    :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:


I have Tapatalk installed on my mobile which is an app that links to this forum.

About 25 times a day I get a Tapatalk message saying "The Jackal has responded to your post".

Apart from being an obfuscating exaggerator, you are a pest.

You are the Peter Hore of the forum.

Anyone know how to block someone on Tapatalk?

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« 2015-Jun-22, 10:41 AM Reply #153 »
Nothing you post is "food for thought".

You have become a predictable bore.

Why don't you try and replace the broken record at some point and post something interesting. There's a good boy now.

The problem PP is that you are even more predictable. Racing NSW can do no wrong, the Championships are great, the quality of horse is fantastic etc, without any critical eye. The fact you didn't know the history of the STC trying to internationalize the Tancred (and where do you think the impetus for the VRC to do the same for the Melbourne Cup came from?) is slightly concerning, and it seems like another attempt by you to airbrush the STC out of history. To also not realise that "The Championships" is nothing new, just a re branding of the AJC Easter carnival, suggests that you have been taken in by the marketing rather than reality.

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« 2015-Jun-22, 11:00 AM Reply #154 »
The problem PP is that you are even more predictable. Racing NSW can do no wrong, the Championships are great, the quality of horse is fantastic etc, without any critical eye.

Bullshit.

My comments defending the Championships are directed at people like you, Jackal, whispering and jfc who have an irrational hatred of Racing NSW and the ATC and TABCorp, and who make all sorts of exaggerated claims.

I only ever seem to have to direct these comments at the same 4 people.

Ever considered the possibility that you might be in the minority with your criticisms? The 2015 Championships were lauded by many more than the 4 whingers we have on this forum.

The fact you didn't know the history of the STC trying to internationalize the Tancred (and where do you think the impetus for the VRC to do the same for the Melbourne Cup came from?) is slightly concerning

Is it really? "Slightly concerning" that I couldn't recall the specifics of a promotion that happened nearly 3 decades ago. Geezus. I better pull my head in.

Maybe you are exaggerating a trivial point. Ever thought that Manikato1? In fact I think Jackals introduction of a "failed" promotion 30 years ago is trivial and not related to the current promotion. Jackal concludes that the current Championships will be a failure because of what he perceives was a failure 30 years ago. And then you come along and say it is "slightly concerning"? How  :censored: ing trivial are we going to get here   :what:

To be 100% honest, I couldn't care less what happened with a promotion 30 years ago which failed - probably because international horse travel wasn't as easy as it is today.

To also not realise that "The Championships" is nothing new, just a re branding of the AJC Easter carnival, suggests that you have been taken in by the marketing rather than reality.

Who said I don't realize that? I have said before that The Championships is Sydney's effort to copy Melbourne's successful spring racing carnival. Furthermore, I don't see any problem with them doing that. It is complimentary to Melbourne's spring carnival and there is no reason to compare. But once again the same 4 seem to think it is.

You have just posted a load of bitter trash. I expect better of you Manikato1.

Get over the STC thing. You might make better contributions if you do.

And stop being a stalker. You are the other one I get all these Tapatalk messages about.

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« 2015-Jun-22, 11:12 AM Reply #155 »


Recent posts on this thread are excellent illustrations of Rule 1 "do not answer questions" and, its corollary, "do not ask questions".

Just say what you want to say --  but don't banter it: at the risk of inviting the obvious retort,  the forum is losing its credibility

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« 2015-Jun-22, 11:34 AM Reply #156 »
You mightn't want to "go Jackal" but you have "gone Jackal".

No mention of Adelaide??

Again sorry, I had a couple of drafts. The Adelaide who turned up in Sydney was clearly not right, someone with no knowledge of horse racing knows that.

The Criterion that won the QE2 in Sydney was vastly better than the one we saw in the Cox Plate. Wet track obviously had something to do with that.

Not sure I agree - he was very good in the CP, in fact had things gone his way (or the jockey been a touch more aggressive he may have won. Wet track certainly helped in the QEII.

The class of the QE2 field was superior to the Cox Plate. That is my opinion, which is obviously different to yours.

But what facts do you have to support your opinion?


Rather than naming 10 people who think that the Cox Plate was weaker than the QE2 (I quoted Robbie Waterhouse in the latest Gai's Gazette saying precisely that), I'll nominate 4 people, a small minority, who constantly bag The Championships.

There is yourself. Jackal. whispering. jfc.

And all four seem to have some inexplicable axe to grind against Racing NSW and the ATC. They are constantly whinging and overstating things.

Go figure.

I can't speak for the others PP, but yes, I do think the ATC is obsessed with Randwick to the detriment of Rosehill. I can see nothing, and I mean nothing, that changes my opinion on that. I want Sydney racing to be strong, but that doesn't mean promoting one section of Sydney racing over the other, which is what appears to be happening.

I don't know of any public figures who have bagged The Championships. Everyone was unanimous in saying that they were an outstanding success from where I sit. There are ads running on Sky where they interview Craig Williams after the QE2 and he is glowing in his praise about The Championships and the international participation. And I would place his opinion ahead of four anonymous whingers on social media any day of the week.

?????  Crowds down, turnover down, that is success?

And I am pretty sure jfc in particular posted some critical articles. OTH, if there are no critical articles, doesn't that actually suggest something worse?

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« 2015-Jun-22, 11:57 AM Reply #157 »
Bullshit.

My comments defending the Championships are directed at people like you, Jackal, whispering and jfc who have an irrational hatred of Racing NSW and the ATC and TABCorp, and who make all sorts of exaggerated claims.

I only ever seem to have to direct these comments at the same 4 people.

Ever considered the possibility that you might be in the minority with your criticisms? The 2015 Championships were lauded by many more than the 4 whingers we have on this forum.

Bullshit. Point me to one comment you have made on here critical of Racing NSW. No problems with defence of Sydney racing from the likes of Jackal, just not by someone doing exactly the same thing.
Is it really? "Slightly concerning" that I couldn't recall the specifics of a promotion that happened nearly 3 decades ago. Geezus. I better pull my head in.

Maybe you are exaggerating a trivial point. Ever thought that Manikato1? In fact I think Jackals introduction of a "failed" promotion 30 years ago is trivial and not related to the current promotion. Jackal concludes that the current Championships will be a failure because of what he perceives was a failure 30 years ago. And then you come along and say it is "slightly concerning"? How  :censored: ing trivial are we going to get here   :what:

To be 100% honest, I couldn't care less what happened with a promotion 30 years ago which failed - probably because international horse travel wasn't as easy as it is today.

Of course you couldn't, it was an STC initiative, and the ATC couldn't possibly copy the STC could it?
Who said I don't realize that? I have said before that The Championships is Sydney's effort to copy Melbourne's successful spring racing carnival. Furthermore, I don't see any problem with them doing that. It is complimentary to Melbourne's spring carnival and there is no reason to compare. But once again the same 4 seem to think it is.

You may want to re phrase that - the second point does not follow from the first. If it is an attempt to copy, then there is every reason to compare.

You have just posted a load of bitter trash. I expect better of you Manikato1.

???????

Just because I am not sycophantic to the ATC/Racing NSW line? Also, if you want things to get better you need to focus as much on the negative as the positive.

Get over the STC thing. You might make better contributions if you do.

You should get over your AJC thng - you might make better contributions if you do.

And stop being a stalker. You are the other one I get all these Tapatalk messages about.

Diddums.   :biggrin:

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« 2015-Jun-22, 01:43 PM Reply #158 »
The problem with Poison Pen is that ha totally struggles with being exposed to definitive proof against his illiterate fabrications of fact.
In short, he simply cannot cope with being completely and utterly wrong but in reality he should be good at it, because having his myths debunked is a daily occurrence.   :yes: :yes:

He hasn't ever on this forum produced a shred of evidence of anything he says, but expects it to be believed uncondtionally.

The forum to him is like a marriage with the vow "Until death do we part, believe my tripe"    :lol:

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« 2015-Jun-22, 02:23 PM Reply #159 »
Bullshit. Point me to one comment you have made on here critical of Racing NSW.

Am critical of Racing NSW when I see the need to be, which is more often that you think. Posted yesterday

TVN. By any measure this was a failed business. Those making the decisions to create TVN in the first place have burnt an enormous amount of money. Has there been any accountability? How much did TVN cost the Victorian and NSW racing industries? Has anybody been called to accept responsibility for that decision?

What are you going to do now Manikato1? Are you going to retract? No. I'll tell you what you will do. You will either obfuscate, or you will change the subject.

You used to post worthwhile stuff, but on this particular subject your judgement is clouded by your bitterness over the AJC/STC merger and perceived wrongs.

To use your own words, you have "Gone Jackal".

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« 2015-Jun-22, 02:30 PM Reply #160 »
The problem with Poison Pen is that ha totally struggles with being exposed to definitive proof against his illiterate fabrications of fact.
In short, he simply cannot cope with being completely and utterly wrong but in reality he should be good at it, because having his myths debunked is a daily occurrence.   :yes: :yes:

He hasn't ever on this forum produced a shred of evidence of anything he says, but expects it to be believed uncondtionally.

The forum to him is like a marriage with the vow "Until death do we part, believe my tripe"    :lol:

  :lol:    :lol:

You have roped Manikato1 into your rot. He is one of yours now. Well done Jack   emthup

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« 2015-Jun-22, 05:36 PM Reply #161 »
Am critical of Racing NSW when I see the need to be, which is more often that you think. Posted yesterday

What are you going to do now Manikato1? Are you going to retract? No. I'll tell you what you will do. You will either obfuscate, or you will change the subject.

Of course I am not going to retract. Could you have picked a worse example? TVN was a pre merger entity, as soon as Racing NSW got a seat at the table it was being dissolved. Not saying you are wrong about TVN, but this hardly makes the point that you are "critical" of Racing NSW.

You used to post worthwhile stuff, but on this particular subject your judgement is clouded by your bitterness over the AJC/STC merger and perceived wrongs.

To use your own words, you have "Gone Jackal".

In this case the opposite is true. You have pre ordained that "The Championships" are a success, so you focus on what you perceive are the successes (although you go way overboard on the quality of the fields), rather than, say, crowds, which are a key component of what constitutes success for this meeting.


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« 2015-Jun-22, 05:50 PM Reply #162 »
Of course I am not going to retract. Could you have picked a worse example? TVN was a pre merger entity, as soon as Racing NSW got a seat at the table it was being dissolved. Not saying you are wrong about TVN, but this hardly makes the point that you are "critical" of Racing NSW.


obfuscation.


In this case the opposite is true. You have pre ordained that "The Championships" are a success, so you focus on what you perceive are the successes (although you go way overboard on the quality of the fields), rather than, say, crowds, which are a key component of what constitutes success for this meeting.


changing the subject  ;)

I started this thread for discussion about the 2015 Championships when it was on.

The Championships have long finished and the thread has now turned into a grub fest. It was never intended as that.

Why don't you 4 start up your own threads and pollute that with all your negative crap   emthup

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« 2015-Jun-22, 08:53 PM Reply #163 »
So you can't argue with my points - thought not   :biggrin:

One thing, don't paint me in with Whispering and jfc and Jackal. They don't give a toss about NSW racing, I passionately want NSW racing to succeed. But that is why I get pissed off at what I see as toadying rather than critical examintion .

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« 2016-Jan-05, 08:24 PM Reply #164 »
mongolian khan

racing at the championships , this year    :clap2:

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« 2016-Jan-05, 09:01 PM Reply #165 »


The NSW horseships scheduled for the autumn are not a matter for jocular jests


.............. the paid independent media promotion of these excessive prize-money races, and concurrent sales events, will soon replace the overhyped focus on the similar contrived nonsense being played out on the Feldspar Coast, as we speak, so to say!


 ........and, pleasing as it is to see such an insightful post from 'rats' at this early stage, one can only hope he is on the trail of overseas lunches of local luminaries with connections of good horses that might come if only pigs could fly.

Whatever happened to the truth fairy?


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« 2016-Feb-14, 05:16 PM Reply #166 »
Maybe need 2016 thread for discussion?

Looks super this far out.

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« 2016-Jul-25, 10:24 AM Reply #167 »

Unknown horses wreck our races -- protect the Sydney autumn carnival

Aspirational administrators are at it again -- wasting punters money on things punters do not want.

Media reports today -- see link below -- about RacingNSW spending $750,000, to promote its autumn carnival in Asia, challenge our credibility.

Suggestions that betting in Japan on three feature events could return some $3 million to RNSW seem fanciful -- would Japanese punters endorse that largesse.

Generally the idea that the best overseas horses are likely to run in Sydney in the autumn is also fanciful -- wining and dining connections of Asian horses seems a bit of a junket -- 'promises' made to bring one over are more likely to be frustrated than kept.

RNSW should learn from RVL -- their iconic Cups have lost caste as punters learned that they could no longer form sensible views of the contenders' relative merits.

Far from being a 'must have' -- hit and run contenders are a 'must not' if good faith is kept with NSW punters.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/australian-turf-club-budgets-for-international-involvement-in-the-championships-and-autumn-carnival-20160724-gqcgu1.html

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« 2016-Jul-31, 02:23 PM Reply #168 »

RNSW should learn from RVL -- their iconic Cups have lost caste as punters learned that they could no longer form sensible views of the contenders' relative merits.

Far from being a 'must have' -- hit and run contenders are a 'must not' if good faith is kept with NSW punters.

Is this actually a true statement?
I'm one punter who thinks the overseas raiders add plenty to The Spring Carnival although I'm not a big punter.
There is something about watching a classic race from Longchamp or Epsom, when doing the form and trying to determine the relative merits of.
 
I would have crossed the country to see Deep Impact race.

 Races lose their caste when they are noncompetitive like last years Mel Cup and the poor  quality track that was presented.


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