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Online jfc

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« 2015-Mar-14, 07:16 AM Reply #25 »
CAUSE HE RACED IN HONG KONG AFTER THE CUP!!!!


Much research, little knowledge you have.


ahh sorry JFC, but where else is he going to stay?
Surely it's in you're own interests to retract your monumental blunder?

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« 2015-Mar-14, 07:20 AM Reply #26 »

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« 2015-Mar-14, 01:51 PM Reply #27 »
CAUSE HE RACED IN HONG KONG AFTER THE CUP!!!!


Much research, little knowledge you have.


ahh sorry JFC, but where else is he going to stay?
Evidently you aren't enduring the 7 schmaltz fest where Red Cadeaux is copping a guernsey.

And thus due to be a raging Under within the hour.

Quarantining between Flemington and Randwick makes no sense to me.



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« 2015-Apr-06, 12:28 PM Reply #28 »
They came for Diamond Valores in the 2nd (I backed it about 1/2 hour before the race and got $13, started at $6.50) and it all stayed in the bags :sad:.
Too early to say you need to be in the first few around the bend to figure? Nothing much has looked like making any ground from the back as yet.
If this is the case Sweynesse has to be a great chance from the good gate and the light weight to finally crack a win, the $4.80 the place looks pretty nice :x:.
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« 2015-Apr-06, 12:48 PM Reply #29 »
They came for Diamond Valores in the 2nd (I backed it about 1/2 hour before the race and got $13, started at $6.50) and it all stayed in the bags :sad:.
Too early to say you need to be in the first few around the bend to figure? Nothing much has looked like making any ground from the back as yet.
If this is the case Sweynesse has to be a great chance from the good gate and the light weight to finally crack a win, the $4.80 the place looks pretty nice :x:.


On pace has been the pattern thus far mate.

With that and the improving track condition just had a few dollars on Ninth Legion at 100-1 on TAB. Noticed it is back into 70-1. WFA form has been pretty good and not that far off some good horses recently.

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« 2015-Apr-06, 02:30 PM Reply #30 »
On pacers popped there.  ;)

On heavy tracks most horses who can handle it are near the pace by the turn anyway as the one's who can't handle are already going backwards.

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« 2015-Apr-06, 02:46 PM Reply #31 »
On pacers popped there.  ;)

On heavy tracks most horses who can handle it are near the pace by the turn anyway as the one's who can't handle are already going backwards.

Was that more to do with the distance rather than bias?

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« 2015-Apr-07, 11:25 AM Reply #32 »
Fed up with the futility of extracting anything resembling reality from the jaundiced media I then analysed turnover on like for like races  from last year.

NSW Win Tote

2014 5,434.495 +45%
2015 3,749,149



If that 31% turnover drop can be extrapolated then the actual turnover loss is significantly excess of the $10 million estimate from Ray Thomas.

His calculations are bizarre.

He seems to thinks that Supertab is a part of the NSW Tote.

And he is oblivious to TattsBet!



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/the-championships-2015-abandoned-randwick-meeting-could-cost-nsw-racing-industry-10-million-in-lost-betting-turnover/story-fnlvobhn-1227290907995


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« 2015-Apr-08, 06:25 AM Reply #33 »

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« 2015-Apr-08, 07:49 AM Reply #34 »
Wow!

An unflattering piece about this waste of public money.



http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/04/07/does-sydney-deserve-the-championships/?utm_campaign=most_discussed


OMG jfc you will have THE JACKAL salivating with links like that.  :lol:

                                                                Ricochet :)

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« 2015-Apr-09, 07:59 PM Reply #35 »
Sure and Fast looks the goods for the Provincial Final (could be a huge day for J. Collett, may go close in the 4th too!), will be saving on Slots eachway.
I have loved the two series, another great innovation for The Championships :clap2:
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« 2015-Apr-10, 10:50 AM Reply #36 »
Fed up with the futility of extracting anything resembling reality from the jaundiced media I then analysed turnover on like for like races  from last year.

NSW Win Tote

2014 5,434.495 +45%
2015 3,749,149



If that 31% turnover drop can be extrapolated then the actual turnover loss is significantly excess of the $10 million estimate from Ray Thomas.

His calculations are bizarre.

He seems to thinks that Supertab is a part of the NSW Tote.

And he is oblivious to TattsBet!
....
For now I'll leave it up to the reader to determine which one of us is posting with a forked tongue.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/tab-losses-minimal-after-doncasterderby-day-switch/story-fni2gg7e-1227297765135

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« 2015-Apr-10, 09:47 PM Reply #37 »
They need to stop the replays constantly going down on racingNSW site

Think I preferred to pay and get more reliable service than this free non- reliable option - the night before their biggest day

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« 2015-Apr-11, 02:00 AM Reply #38 »
For now I'll leave it up to the reader to determine which one of us is posting with a forked tongue.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/tab-losses-minimal-after-doncasterderby-day-switch/story-fni2gg7e-1227297765135


You are quoting yourself jfc. I cannot see who you are arguing with. Are you arguing with yourself  :what:

$17.3 million this year on the Monday compared with $18 million last year on the Saturday.

Looks like an outstanding result to me given the flight of TAB money over to the bookies, as highlighted by your good self many times.

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« 2015-Apr-11, 02:04 AM Reply #39 »
From jfc's Telegraph article

WINNERS NOT FINISHED YET

TWO of the major winners on day one of The Championships, Chautauqua and Pride Of Dubai, could race again at Royal Randwick during the autumn carnival.

Chautauqua produced an astonishing effort to come from last, defying track bias and a world class sprint field to win the Group 1 TJ Smith Stakes on Monday.

Trainer John Hawkes said Chautauqua could back up in the Group 1 $400,000 All Aged Stakes (1400m) on April 18. “Chautauqua has come through Monday’s race really well and at this stage we plan to run him in the All Aged,’’ Hawkes said.

Pride Of Dubai claimed the Group 1 ATC Sires Produce Stakes earlier this week. Trainer Peter Snowden hasn’t ruled out giving his outstanding juvenile a chance at a third major in the Champagne Stakes next week.


Fantastic stuff   emthup

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« 2015-Apr-11, 02:06 AM Reply #40 »
Also from that article (thanks jfc)

THEY SAID IT

“The Championships has been fantastic so far. Since the Australian summer of racing finished, all we’ve been focusing on is the Sydney autumn and The Championships. It’s not just us though. The whole world is noticing and the internationals now have something to aim at in our autumn in Australia,’’ said jockey Craig Williams.

“Australia is a world leader in this industry, we will be investing more and more in this country,’’ said China Horse Club founder Teo Ah King, a part-owner in Pride Of Dubai and First Seal.

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« 2015-Apr-12, 06:13 AM Reply #41 »
Day 3 NSW Tote figure comparisons, again using like for like comparisons (in stark contrast to that Axis of Absurdity: Tabcorp, V'landys and Thomas):

-24% Win
-33% Place
-15% Trifecta

-25% W P T

$10,121,599.6  _ 2015 W P T
 $7,598,245.27 _ 2014

An unmitigated catastrophe!

Remember that this is despite Tabcorp pumping its pools via 4 Trifecta Promos as well as that $50,000 Win donation.


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« 2015-Apr-12, 03:24 PM Reply #42 »
Day 3 NSW Tote figure comparisons, again using like for like comparisons (in stark contrast to that Axis of Absurdity: Tabcorp, V'landys and Thomas):

-24% Win
-33% Place
-15% Trifecta

-25% W P T

$10,121,599.6  _ 2015 W P T
 $7,598,245.27 _ 2014

An unmitigated catastrophe!

Remember that this is despite Tabcorp pumping its pools via 4 Trifecta Promos as well as that $50,000 Win donation.


This is money going to the corporates. When Sportsbet are offering money back for 2nd and 3rd on the first four races and Ladbrokes 20% above top tote the TAB will lose business.

Thank God for the industry that Racing NSW foresaw this and chased after Racefields.

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« 2015-Apr-12, 05:35 PM Reply #43 »
This is money going to the corporates. When Sportsbet are offering money back for 2nd and 3rd on the first four races and Ladbrokes 20% above top tote the TAB will lose business.

Thank God for the industry that Racing NSW foresaw this and chased after Racefields.
Are the Tabcorp figures affected by the Corporate deals? Probably. But neither of us have those numbers available.

The key question is why those misleading earlier Tabcorp numbers were spun!

Anyone here can check my calculations, to see if they've been influenced by Dementia.

But no one can check how  kosher the Tabcorp ones were.

This industry is unquestionably in decline. It should be developing appropriate coping mechanisms.

And it should stop pulling stunts that even schmucks like me won't buy.

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« 2015-Apr-12, 05:42 PM Reply #44 »
Are the Tabcorp figures affected by the Corporate deals? Probably. But neither of us have those numbers available.

The key question is why those misleading earlier Tabcorp numbers were spun!

Anyone here can check my calculations, to see if they've been influenced by Dementia.

But no one can check how  kosher the Tabcorp ones were.

This industry is unquestionably in decline. It should be developing appropriate coping mechanisms.

And it should stop pulling stunts that even schmucks like me won't buy.



Indirect shilling of sorts.    emthup

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« 2015-Apr-12, 07:29 PM Reply #45 »
Day 3 NSW Tote figure comparisons, again using like for like comparisons (in stark contrast to that Axis of Absurdity: Tabcorp, V'landys and Thomas):

-24% Win
-33% Place
-15% Trifecta

-25% W P T

$10,121,599.6  _ 2015 W P T
 $7,598,245.27 _ 2014

An unmitigated catastrophe!

Remember that this is despite Tabcorp pumping its pools via 4 Trifecta Promos as well as that $50,000 Win donation.

Apologies if I have missed something, but doesn't that show a significant increase in 2015?

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« 2015-Apr-12, 11:21 PM Reply #46 »
Are the Tabcorp figures affected by the Corporate deals? Probably. But neither of us have those numbers available.

The key question is why those misleading earlier Tabcorp numbers were spun!

Anyone here can check my calculations, to see if they've been influenced by Dementia.

But no one can check how  kosher the Tabcorp ones were.

This industry is unquestionably in decline. It should be developing appropriate coping mechanisms.

And it should stop pulling stunts that even schmucks like me won't buy.


There is no doubt when you compare NSW TAB win pool holdings to those a year ago there is a significant fall. I have had a "peek" on the NSW TAB pools. Not just NSW. Tatts as well.

These are two of the big races:

2014 TJ Smith - NSW Win pool $946k qand Tatts Win Pool $369k
2015 TJ Smith (rescheduled to Monday) - NSW Win pool $522k and Tatts Win Pool $225k

2014 Sydney Cup - NSW Win pool $886k and Tatts Win Pool $352k
2015 Sydney Cup - NSW Win Pool $680k and Tatts $168k

All the corporates had "specials" on these two races yesterday . Ladbrokes offered 20% above Top Tote + SP for the Cup yesterday. Crownbet offered money back for 2nd or 3rd. Others had similar bonuses.

Don't have Supertab pools - would be obliged if someone can fill the gaps.

Before anyone says that may be the unpopularity of NSW racing....

Sydney Cup Meeting 19/04/2014 NSW TAB hold on Vic quaddie race win pools total - $1,388k
Sydney Cup Meeting 11/04/2015 NSW TAB hold on Vic quaddie race win pools total - $1,120k

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But we all know what is going on. C'mon. This is a punter's forum. There is no naive political talk here.

If you are committed to having $20 each way on a horse, and you are offered the choice between you local state TAB, and someone offering "top tote", where is the educated punter going to place his or her bet?

As the use of apps increases, as does the ease of depositing money, placing a bet and withdrawing money from corporates, then there is only one way parimutuel betting across 3 totes is going to go.

It seems inveitable that we will have a national tote pool. Maybe even a merger between Tatts and TABCorp eventually.

My recall is that about 4 or 5 years ago, TABCorp went to the NSW Govt asking if they could merge the tote pools. NSW Govt said "Yes. As long as you can guarantee our return will not be diminished". TABCorp declined the offer. Obviously they knew where this was headed.

Maybe they now have a stronger argument to merge the pools now and the NSW Govt might be a bit more obliging given the competition framework.

I would think the claim that betting is up this year would include corporate figures. And I have no doubt this claim is true if I'm right.

You and I don't have the Corporate figures but the government would.

It is a great time to be a punter, but there is a fixed sized "pie" (well it might grow a little each year) to divide among those who seek to consume it.

Obviously there used to be one pie eater. Now there are many.

Very similar thing going on here to what is happening to Telstra with it's falling revenues from fixed line.

But you cannot deny one thing. Racing NSW did the right thing with Racefields. It was visionary, yet received zero support from other racing Admins as it progressed to the High Court. Noted that those other Admins are now charging corps Racefields charges. And one is charging double during their major carnival.

(apologies for the long winded reply).
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« 2015-Apr-12, 11:28 PM Reply #47 »
Just back on topic, I think that in spite of the rain, The Championships have been an enormous success, and will be a permanent fixture on the Australian racing calendar.

They are not in competition with the Melbourne Spring, and there is no reason that Australia cannot have two international carnivals annually.

The unacknowledged success I think was the international presence at the sales. The Country and Provincial Championships were a masterstroke that allowed the rural and provincial racing centres to partake in the Championships, and have provided an extra carnival day across 15 tracks.

The quality of horse running around in the big races was outstanding.

Congratulations to Racing NSW and most of us are looking forward to next year.   emthup

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« 2015-Apr-13, 12:13 AM Reply #48 »
In Japan feature races in rainy season of Spring and Autumn are held at tracks that have soil that handle rain. Is Sydney coping?

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« 2015-Apr-13, 08:34 AM Reply #49 »
Does anyone here need to be reminded of the prince of perjurers?

RWW seems to have undertaken a maths course from V'landys.

How about some facts about this unequivocal success:

~24% slump in NSW Tote turnover.

No shortage of patrons opining about $11 beers.

Despite the Tele offering free admission passes, the crowd failed to reach 24,000.

Ray Thomas, of all people, had these comments about last year's crowd:

"But a lower-than-expected crowd of 25,525 attended the Queen Elizabeth-Sydney Cup meeting on Saturday despite the racecourse bathing in brilliant autumn sunshine.

A week earlier, 24,959 braved wet weather to watch the Derby-Doncaster Day.

Australian Turf Club chief executive Darren Pearce said the Queen Elizabeth Stakes Day attendance was down slightly on the club’s anticipated 27,500 crowd.

Pearce said the result was “slightly disappointing but a pass mark” for the inaugural The Championships and he was confident attendances would grow in coming years."





http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/why-the-climax-to-the-championships-at-royal-randwick-was-an-unequivocal-success-20150412-1mjdat.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/boxing-champs-wife-enters-the-ring-with-a-claim-over-haysons-bordello-20130512-2jg76.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/disappointing-crowd-figures-for-inaugural-the-championships-no-cause-for-alarm/story-fni2gg7e-1226890611277


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