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Steve M

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« 2015-Apr-13, 08:11 PM Reply #50 »
On Racing NSW matters it's shame nobody actually seems respond to queries @ racing@racingnsw.com.au

Trial 17 still not available from Friday Warwick Farm - nor any acknowledgement of my email  emthdown

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« 2015-Apr-15, 08:12 PM Reply #51 »
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« 2015-Apr-18, 05:40 PM Reply #52 »
Can someone remind me of logic for not having this day as part of The C'Ships?

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« 2015-Apr-18, 10:00 PM Reply #53 »
Can someone remind me of logic for not having this day as part of The C'Ships?

Marketing.

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« 2015-Apr-19, 06:39 PM Reply #54 »
No they want to kill the Champagne stakes off and possibly the All Age. why wasnt Rosehill included at all, yet we have the premier g1 for 2yo, a few others and I would say equally as good fields.

In 5 years time the slipper will be at Randwick. I didnt enjoy my time there, $8 beers, absolutely no room inside the public area and not much of a betting ring. Theater of the horse means you cannot get a goo
 

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"It’s falling to pieces” was how one jockey described Randwick’s worn out track after Saturday’s All Aged Stakes meeting.

Racing NSW chief steward Ray Murrihy said "at least half a dozen” horses lost their footing on the "wear patches” of the track.

Next Saturday the rail will move out a further three metres to the 11 metre position but Murrihy has concerns with heavy rain expected in Sydney throughout next week.

"We would have to consider our options given how the track has played today,” Murrihy said.

"My concern is racing on this track in another seven days with the rain forecast.”

Murrihy said discussions will take place during the week with the Australian Turf Club and Racing NSW officials about possible contingency plans should the rainfall render Randwick unsuitable for racing on Anzac Day.

Top Sydney rider James McDonald said two of his mounts lost their footing during their respective races and claimed the surface was reminscent of the Kensington track.

 http://www.racenet.com.au/news/110883/Tired-Randwick-track-under-fire



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« 2015-Apr-19, 08:06 PM Reply #55 »
No they want to kill the Champagne stakes off and possibly the All Age. why wasnt Rosehill included at all, yet we have the premier g1 for 2yo, a few others and I would say equally as good fields.

You have hit the nail on the head there Whispering - except they want to replace the Slipper with the Sires, not  move the Slipper to Randwick. But otherwise, it is obvious they are ignoring Rosehill so they have an excuse to have all of the big meetings at Randwick. No point in building an expensive White Elephant if you aren't going to use it.

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« 2015-Apr-19, 10:09 PM Reply #56 »
If they are trying to "kill off" the Slipper why have they announced in the last couple of weeks a substantial 5 year sponsorship of the race

 and the Rosehill  carnival by Longines?

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« 2015-Apr-20, 01:08 AM Reply #57 »
If they are trying to "kill off" the Slipper why have they announced in the last couple of weeks a substantial 5 year sponsorship of the race

 and the Rosehill  carnival by Longines?

Exactly.

My interpretation of Steve's question was "why don't they simply extend The Championships across 3 Saturday's"?

I think they are trying to market The Championships as a "one week event" with the sales in the middle. This is so they can advertise to international and interstate visitors to encourage them to come to Sydney for the feature week.  I don't think they try and hide the fact they are trying to create an autumn version of the incredibly successful Flemington Spring event.

Given this is only the second year of The Championships, I thought all and sundry agreed it was a success - but as always a few narks around, and they suffered some of the worst weather in the history of the carnival. Not surprised there is some concern over the track condition.

But overall it will happen again next year and 99% of people will be looking forward to it based on the success of 2015.

It is impractical to have the Champagne Stakes on the last day of the Championships because that would mean you have the 2yo triple crown over successive Saturdays and a similar argument can be made for the All Aged. And the quality of the fields for both races was excellent, especially the All Aged which will probably end up as one of the top rating races for 2014-15 racing season.

So that is why there is a final Saturday with a couple of Group 1 races. No conspiracy theories  :nowink:

Historically the Randwick Easter carnival was run over 3 Saturdays with The Sydney Cup run on Easter Monday and The Oaks run on the Wednesday after Easter Saturday. So five racing days. It is unlikely you could run all those races over two Saturdays without suffering a reduction in field size and quality. There has to be an extra day.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 08:05 AM Reply #58 »
NUMBERS DON’T STAND UP

SATURDAY’S 13,000 crowd on top of the previous week’s 23,000 were considered satisfactory by those in charge, but alongside other sports they are not so hot.

My theory is it is going to be hard to get big attendances at Randwick because the new grandstand just does not cater adequately for those who are not in the prestige corporate and members areas.

Rosehill (19,000 for the Slipper), with better facilities, is the likely growth area for big Sydney crowds.



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ken-callander-old-hands-to-blame-not-tommy-berry-as-chautauqua-fails-in-all-aged-stakes/story-e6freuy9-1227310849569

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« 2015-Apr-20, 09:37 AM Reply #59 »
If success is judged by attendance, The Championships. must be deemed a failure. This year's attendances were certainly ruined by inclement weather, but let's have look at if the weather was fine and sunny. I would think the most optimistic member of the ATC would salivate if 100,000 attended the Championships over the three days. Sydney has a population of 4.8 million, therefore even if 100,000 did attend over those three days that would mean around 2% of Sydney's population would have attended.
Yesterday on a cold Sunday afternoon in Launceston Hawthorn played the Western Bulldogs in front of 15,559 fans. Okay ,some Hawthorn diehards may have flown down to Tasmania for a weekend getaway, but in reality the crowd was Tasmanian. The most interesting fact about that attendance is that Launceston only has a population of around 86,000, that means 18% of that city's population attended that game,yet despite the popularity of AFL in Tasmania the AFL Commission will still not grant a licence for an AFL team to be  based in Tasmania.
If the ATC was subject the same  attendance criteria by a governing body, the ATC might be in a bit of bother.
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« 2015-Apr-20, 11:49 AM Reply #60 »
'Tasmania is a land of "dregs, bogans and third-generation morons", according to well-known Australian cultural identity Leo Schofield, who said a decade spent living in the state left him feeling bitter and depressed.'

While some may consider Leo wailing out of his cloaca, to me it's preaching to the choir.

It's hard to imagine that demographic attracting lucrative "prestige corporate and members" dollars alluded to by Kenny.

Whereas there is no shortage of aspirants to the prestigious in sinful Sydney and the Corporate angle is a massive impact to major events.

V'landys correctly pursues this, but he goes off the rails by then again treating the massive rest of us as schmucks.

I've only seen the new Randwick away from actual race days, but it does nothing for me.

A lot of cover has been removed making wet days a definite no go zone.

I guess some people came to the 1st Championships to see what the new Randwick was like.

And left with a feeling that the dour experience means they wouldn't be rushing back there in a hurry.

Which might explain the declining crowds.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-04/tasmanians-are-dregs-bogans-morons-says-leo-schofield/6370896

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« 2015-Apr-20, 12:01 PM Reply #61 »
Randwick is a shocker to go to the races now. The punting area is diabolical.

The reason no AFL team will go into Tasmania is there is basically zero growth. It is an AFL state. The small sport loving population are already watching the AFL. There have been dozens of champion VFL/AFL players from Tasmania and the interest there is good. Adding an extra team will not increase TV revenue and that is what it is all about.

Compare this to getting a team into Western Sydney. The AFL are trying to get eyeballs away from League and now soccer.

Results have probably been less than spectacular. But the side is going to be a gun outfit in a few years and that is when the test comes. If the region embraces a successful side then mission accomplished. If they don't, then it becomes a long trip to break even city.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 12:26 PM Reply #62 »
NUMBERS DON’T STAND UP

SATURDAY’S 13,000 crowd on top of the previous week’s 23,000 were considered satisfactory by those in charge, but alongside other sports they are not so hot.

My theory is it is going to be hard to get big attendances at Randwick because the new grandstand just does not cater adequately for those who are not in the prestige corporate and members areas.

Rosehill (19,000 for the Slipper), with better facilities, is the likely growth area for big Sydney crowds.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ken-callander-old-hands-to-blame-not-tommy-berry-as-chautauqua-fails-in-all-aged-stakes/story-e6freuy9-1227310849569

Agree entirely jfc. I would argue that the new stand doesn't adequately cater for Members either - the 2 times I have been to the Members at the new Randwick (Sydney Cup and Epsom last year) the only place viable to have a bet/drink/watch the races was the old Members stand. It is quite obvious to me that 25k is the practical capacity of the new Randwick. Really, there needs to be a similar facility in the public area.

Bubba, don't confuse Sydney with Launceston, or even Melbourne. Sydney is much more a collection of 'enclaves', to use a term that is probably not correct but you understand what I mean. It is not really correct to say that the population of Sydney is 4.8 million, as that doesn't take the actual Sydney into account. It also doesn't take into account just how hard it is to get to Randwick, it is not as easy as Flemington or Caulfield for example.

jfc, I would think that 23k is pretty good considering the other sporting crowds in Sydney.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 01:38 PM Reply #63 »
If success is judged by attendance, The Championships. must be deemed a failure.

Who is using that as a measurement of success?

The only people I see using that as a measuring stick are those who are calling The Championships a failure.

It rained so much they called off Doncaster Day (can anyone recall Doncaster day being called off before because of rain?)

Somehow I think some of those saying that would have looked for any criteria that deemed it a failure and then use that criteria.  ;)

You are not going to get 50,000 into Randwick. It is bordering on stupid to suggest otherwise.

Has anyone complaining about the crowds ever tried to negotiate the streets around Randwick on a busy Saturday morning? The infrastructure does not support large crowds. Light rail may improve things but it there are bigger problems outside the control of the ATC.

Can I offer the "glass half full" observations?

- quality of fields was the best seen in Australia this year. This was due to the support of interstate and international stables.
- the sales were a success
- the track held up quite well considering we had so much rain that they postponed the first day
- suspect the corporate bookies had a turnover bonanza gauging on the specials offered.

No problem with people being critical where criticism is due.

But to say that crown attendance figures are the only measuring stick of success - well what can I say. Racing all over Australia must be deemed a failure for every single weekend of the year outside of two weeks in late October early November.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 01:47 PM Reply #64 »
Was it $100 million - or whatever splurged on the new Randwick?

To accommodate fat cats over 2 weekends for a year!

These corporate scumbags would have come either way, so they could advertise their elevated status above the rest of us schmucks.

$10 million in extra prizemoney? What's the point!


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« 2015-Apr-20, 01:54 PM Reply #65 »
Was it $100 million - or whatever splurged on the new Randwick?

To accommodate fat cats over 2 weekends for a year!

These corporate scumbags would have come either way, so they could advertise their elevated status above the rest of us schmucks.

$10 million in extra prizemoney? What's the point!


Criticism on the amount spent on the track for the return? - probably valid.

Criticism on the amount of prizemoney? - you are a lone voice there. The point being that The Championships were a success and will be happening again next year because they were deemed to be a success. Sponsors are lining up. Channel 7 coverage will happen next year because the content attracts advertisers.

You need to have the prizemoney increases to attract the best.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 02:11 PM Reply #66 »
I don't buy the prize money increase angle.

Connections have runners at Randwick simply because of its heritage - as well as the Group status.

What alternatives are there?

It's hugely expensive importing runners. Last Spring I recall VRC's Greg Carpenter assessing the cost at $180,000.

A far as I can tell the widely expected Japanese thrust didn't come off.

Crap tracks? Maybe.

Had it come off then wouldn't that hamper breeder sales of locals?

Infrastructure? Hard to imagine a worse dog's dinner in this country.

Once the light rail is effective that alone will remove a huge deterrent to crowd attendance.

There's an excuse for crap crowd figures?

What excuse is there for crap Tote figures - assuming one gets the real ones - rather than those from V'landys' alternative reality.

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« 2015-Apr-20, 03:22 PM Reply #67 »
I would argue crowd figures are one of the only measures of success - otherwise what are the Government pumping in the money for?

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« 2015-Apr-20, 07:47 PM Reply #68 »
Some of you guys are barking caravan of negativity me thinks.

You could reincarnate Phar Lap and showcase him with Miranda Kerr riding side saddle and you'd still have issues with it.

You can't whinge whey they do nothing and whinge when they do something. The Championships concept is only couple years on - have already grabbed OS entrants. They have leapfrogged Melb's autumn carnival.

They wont cure Racing NSW of every issue. They have the opportunity to create an event beyond just day at the races. They already have ear govt which has resulted in substantial support with potential for further tax benefits. Surely that's positive.

Comparing AFL crowds to racing is meaningless. End story. Racing wants bigger crowds - no doubt NSW is no different. No one should be above being critiqued, but there's critique's and just snipes.

Thought this was worth read.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/04/07/exclusive-full-interview-with-peter-vlandys/

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« 2015-Apr-20, 09:01 PM Reply #69 »
Some of you guys are barking caravan of negativity me thinks.

You could reincarnate Phar Lap and showcase him with Miranda Kerr riding side saddle and you'd still have issues with it.


  :lol:   :clap2:

Great post Steve   emthup

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« 2015-Apr-21, 11:35 AM Reply #70 »
The thing is, V'Landys inadvertently brings up why the crowds issue is so important. This is not a new carnival. Particularly with this year being at Easter, this is is simply the old Saturday-Monday merged into one, and the old Wednesday-Saturday merged into one. As someone living in Melbourne, it does seem that only the Championships are advertised, that there was very little promotion of Rosehill (or even last Saturday). My biggest concern is we will end up with the Adelaide model, 3 clubs for 3 tracks, merged into 1 club for three tracks, now one club for one track.

Some of the critiques are less about the Championships than the facility as a whole, and I am sorry but the facility is poorly designed for the racegoer who just wants to go, have a bet and watch the races. That is probably not who the facility is catering for, but it is a legitimate criticism, less so the price of beer, food etc, although that does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

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« 2015-Apr-21, 12:00 PM Reply #71 »
The trouble with debating whether the Championship series is a success or not comes  down to the people putting on the show,the ATC and the racegoer who attends this meeting.

If they walk away with the satisfaction of having had a great day out, that suited their needs and expectation then they will return.
On the other hand if their expectations weren't met then you can rest assured they won't be back.

In regards to the ATC they would be happy with the horses that turned up for the carnival and in particular the OS horses.
Not sure what crowd figures they would have expected and catered for but whatever it was I'm sure they would be hoping for more in regards to attendance for next years events.

Naturally prevailing weather conditions will always play a significant part in how many patrons and horses turn up.
Nothing the ATC can do about the weather unless they move the dates of the Championship but that would never happen.

As a viewer and punter from home I enjoyed what I saw..the racing was good and I'm sure with the experience of this year the committee will be working overtime to improve figures coming out of this years' championship.

Unfortunately its not a "one size fits all" scenario and there will be patrons that won't be back but other than giving away free money at the gate I'm not sure what else the ATC can do to get bums on seats.
Hoping to get down there next year and have a look for myself.
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« 2015-Apr-21, 12:53 PM Reply #72 »
Exceptionally?

Exceptionally good?

I take exception to such garbage!



JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION

Peter V’landys, chief executive of NSW Racing

Saturday is the last day of the autumn carnival. How successful was the carnival and The Championships?

Exceptionally. The Championships were embraced by punters and participants and, considering it’s only the second year, the brand is already well established.

What was the highlight?

The quality of the race fields. They were the best horses that have competed in Sydney for decades. We had five international horses including three from Japan, which is the strongest racing jurisdiction in the world.

How big can The Championships get?

We have given ourselves a five-year plan to develop it. We’ve marketed it as the grand final of racing in Australia.

So you’re taking on Melbourne?

We’re in part of the season where you can have the grand final. Victoria has got the spring. We’ve got the best available horses and with a quarantine centre at Canterbury, which we had for the first time this year, we can attract the best horses from around the world.

And it will be bigger than the Melbourne Cup?

No. The Melbourne Cup is iconic. They’ve taken 200 years to get where they are. We’ll have better race fields but not the engagement of the public because the Melbourne Cup is part of the Australian DNA.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/double-standards-as-rabbitohs-show-how-nrl-players-are-treated-much-differently-to-officials/story-fnp0lyn3-1227308343199

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« 2015-Apr-21, 01:34 PM Reply #74 »
Bitch not that impressed.

Neither is this member:

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/the-flawed-thinking-issue/

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/the-spinning-is-making-me-giddy-atc-email-of-the-day-from-norm-snowden/



The Racing Bitch needs to see a psychiatrist. Someone with such bitterness in them surely has "issues".

NSW Racing is in dire straits despite the dozy spin coming from those that are part of the problem.

If Troy Grant sticks to his word and manages the allocation of extra funding, NSW racing may just have a fighting chance of dragging itself out of the mire that it has been shovelled into by those with personal agendas, rampant egos and devious spin to conceal their massive failures at turning NSW racing into a competitive industry in a sport challenged by its own inadequacies.


I think racing in NSW is in better shape than it has been for a decade or more.

Bitch is just being a bitch. A very nasty and vindictive bitch at that. Very little specifics. Big on gross sweeping statements like "Racing NSW is in dire straits" when it is clearly not.

Then the qualifier introduction to the next paragraph of bull..."If Troy Grant sticks to his word...."

What word? He is supportive of tax parity. He is not supportive of the bitch position.

Very few people are supportive of the "overstated" negative statements of the bitch and his or her ilk.


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