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Online wily ole dog

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« 2017-Apr-02, 08:27 PM Reply #50 »
Peters being disingenuous again.  No, actually he being very dishonest again

Between me and a mate of mine we actually tipped each other the card, except the last race.

In saying that, I failed to convert it to cash because I'm a crap punter.

That's why we sometimes get big divvies, because most punters are crap and bad judges.

One day I'll figure how to pull the right strings.

Peter, you have no hope cuz you have no idea. Following your mate Monty proves it :tin:
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« 2017-Apr-03, 12:13 AM Reply #51 »
Coming out of Day 1 I have jotted down Hardham and Diddums into my black book.

 Hardham might have just about won the Derby on a better track and shapes as a Caulfield Cup horse for mine.  Diddums has run better time in the PJ Bell than the WFA horses did in the TJ Smith. 

I just don't know what to make of the Doncaster.  The winner was overs.  His form has been pretty solid but just how much the heavy ground has skewed the form I just don't know.

Moving forward I am all over Nurse Kitchen in the Oaks.

As for the weather, I suppose it is improving...

Monday 3 April

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Tuesday 4 April

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« 2017-Apr-03, 12:52 AM Reply #52 »
These are the races next Saturday

The Championships Day 2
Saturday 8 April 2017, Royal Randwick

Longines Queen Elizabeth Stakes (GR1)
$4,000,000 2000m. SWFA. 3YO & Upwards.

Schweppes Sydney Cup (GR1)
$2,000,000 3200m. Open Hcp. 3YO & Upwards.

Australian Oaks (GR1)
$1,000,000 2400m. Set weights. 3YO Fillies.

The Coolmore Legacy Stakes (GR1)
$1,000,000 1600m. SWFA. 3YO & Upwards F&M.

Arrowfield 3YO Sprint (GR2)
$600,000 1200m. Set weights. 3YO.

IG Markets Percy Sykes Stakes (GR2)
$600,000 1200m. Set weights + pen. 2YO Fillies.

The Provincial Championships Final $400,000 1400m. Restricted to NSW Provincial Qualifiers.
Sapphire Stakes (GR2) $300,000 1200m. Set weights + pen. 3YO & Upwards. F&M.

McGrath Estate Agents South Pacific Classic (LR) $150,000 1400m. Quality Hcp. 3YO.
TFE Fernhill Handicap (LR) $150,000 1600m. Quality Hcp. 2YO.


QE2

Not much point discussing the QE2. Most interesting thing is that "the mare" is still at $1.15, the price she was before she gutted Le Romain and Chautauqua in the Ryder.  I want to buy a new car for my wife around the $30k mark. 15% of what = $30k  :chin:



Sydney Cup

The Sydney Cup has the "staying find of the year" Big Duke at $2.80 ahead of Lloyd's Assign at $6.00 (he would be happy with the fact there is zero chance of a hard track).

Next in the betting is the "unexposed to Australian form" Penglai Pavillion, which Wikipedia tells me is one of the four great towers of China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penglai_Pavilion

He is a lightly raced 7yo with 8 wins and 3 placings from 22 starts.

Two starts ago he beat The Cashel Man and Shrewd over 3600m at Newmarket in a 105 race.

Shrewd ran 2nd to Heartbreak City in the 2016 Ebor (2816m at York in August).

Heartbreak City ran 2nd to Almandin in the Melbourne Cup.

Going through the weights and measures, Heartbreak City actually rated 2.5 kg above Almandin in the Cup due to weight.

Heartbreak City, in his win over Shrewd in the Ebor, rated 4 kg more.

In the 105 race, Penglai Pavillion rated 6.5 kg ahead of Shrewd.

So therefore Penglai Pavillion is 1.5 kg ahead of Heartbreak City, and thus 4 kg ahead of the Melbourne Cup winner Almandin.

Anyway, it kinda suggests that if he acclimatizes then he is a big chance here, especially if he gets a run with 50.5 kg. In fact at that weight, and given the ratings,  you would probably be inclined to take the $8.00. Researching this a bit further, I found the following quotes in aHeral news item posted 6 hours ago:

Appleby's travelling foreman James Ferguson is confident Polarisation will be right to take his place in the Sydney Cup, despite being scratched from the Chairman's on Saturday, but leans towards Penglai Pavilion.

"Polarisation had a slight knock to a hock and the plan was always to come here for the Sydney Cup, so we decided to keep him for that," Ferguson said.

"It has been a long-time plan and we would hate to go away without anything from Saturday.

"They have both been working really well but if I was forced to have a pick I would take Penglai Pavilion."

The pair are likely to race handy to the lead in the Sydney Cup with Kerrin McEvoy, who had a lot of success riding for Appleby in the Melbourne spring, booked for Penglai Pavilion, while Corey Brown will ride Polarisation.

Penglai Pavilion has a touch of class running in the Arc de Triomphe as a younger horse and after a season of jumping he returned to flat and won at Newmarket over 3600 metres last year.

"That win was really very strong, so two miles on testing ground won't be a worry," Ferguson said.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/both-sides-of-the-godolphin-world-chase-sydney-cup-20170402-gvbyuy.html

I'm wondering if the $8 is factoring in the risk he won't get a start?

Anyway, I'm off to load up at the $8 or better if I can find it - will look at the other races later.  :lol:

PENGLAI PAVILION (USA)

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« 2017-Apr-03, 01:44 AM Reply #53 »
PENGLAI PAVILION (USA)

$9 on Ladbrokes and UBET (didn't check anywhere else).

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« 2017-Apr-03, 02:13 AM Reply #54 »
Cathleen Rode’s tough journey to prepare Free Standing to Country Championships glory

CATHLEEN Rode only has three horses in work and had never even had a runner at Randwick until Free Standing won a Highway race there in December.

Now, Rode is the latest success story of the Country Championships after $31 outsider Free Standing dominated yesterday’s $400,000 Final at Randwick in another fairytale finish to the wonderful concept.

The horse trained out the back of Bourke, Stoneyrise, was the horse on everyone’s lips in this year’s Final but Rode’s story is just as touching.

Free Standing is one of just three horses she has in the stable and the Coffs Harbour-based trainer has had to battle torrential rain and flooding in recent weeks just to get Free Standing to Randwick.

“I can’t believe it,” said Rode, who has been training for 18 years.

“It’s one off my bucket list.

“We did have flooding on our track. We weren’t allowed to leave the area because of being trained in the area until the week beforehand.

“We sent him down with the foreman and he’s been at Wyong for a week for me. I don’t need to over-race him.”

Rode had double the reason to celebrate yesterday as she plans to take a well-earned break in the coming weeks.

“I’ve only got three (horses) in work and they are all going on holidays after this because I’m going on holidays,” she said.

“I haven’t had a holiday for seven years and after today I’m going on holiday for a month and I will come back and be nice and fresh.

“I don’t know where I’m going yet though.”

Owner Steven Thompson, Rode’s partner, had plenty of reasons to smile after Free Standing collected a cool $210,000 for winning yesterday.

We only paid $2600 for him and he had won over $100,000 in prizemoney leading into today, it’s hard to put into words,” he said.

“I just bought him because he was by Equiano, I got a stable complex next to Joe Janiak and I yelled out one day, I bought an Equiano, the horse that beat Takeover Target.

“He’s always been a bit of a handful but I ride him trackwork every morning.”

The race capped off a winning double for Blake Shinn after he saluted aboard Acatour in the Carbine Club Stakes earlier in the day.


“It gives me great satisfaction to win for Cathleen and all her connections,” Shinn said.

“He couldn’t have been presented any better here today, he got a great draw, the breaks went our way, and it is just beautiful to do it for the people behind this horse.”

Stoneyrise led them up to the turn but could only manage seventh as After All That and Not For Export rounded out the first three.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/cathleen-rodes-tough-journey-to-prepare-free-standing-to-country-championships-glory/news-story/c35aefec7fd8ad5870967088948b4e83

Was sold at the 2014 Inglis Melbourne August mixed sale.
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Online wily ole dog

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« 2017-Apr-03, 07:31 AM Reply #55 »
God bless her, I got $51 :clap2:

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« 2017-Apr-03, 03:51 PM Reply #56 »
Anyone know Craig Williams' min riding weight? I think Big Duke goes around with 52kg after penalties and weights rise, not 100% certain on that though.

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« 2017-Apr-03, 05:17 PM Reply #57 »
He hasn't ridden lower than 54 in his last 50 - and that was for Catchy.  I 've a feeling 52 might be too low.

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« 2017-Apr-03, 11:07 PM Reply #58 »
Thanks Tonto, I thought the same but there's now an article on racing.com hinting that he will ride. Just have to wait until tomorrow I guess.

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-04-03/weight-a-big-plus-for-williams

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« 2017-Apr-04, 03:16 PM Reply #59 »
Final field was this morning and he is declared as ridibg BD

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« 2017-Apr-06, 04:10 PM Reply #60 »
20,453 crowd?

Presumably no one here attended.

My bet is extravagant prices for crappy facilities would remind paying patrons not to rush back in a hurry.

http://www.thechampionships.com.au/news/latest-news/media-release-the-championships-day-one.aspx

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« 2017-Apr-09, 09:14 AM Reply #61 »
No idea who the moronic author is.

Probably a Maths major from Trump university.

26,801 is pathetic by any standard.

Hard to imagine a bigger waste of taxpayers' money.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/04/08/18/16/record-crowd-fills-randwick-for-queen-winx

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« 2017-Apr-09, 09:44 AM Reply #62 »
The events of yesterday made it a strange day indeed.

That aside it is hard to quite understand the meaning of the words "The Championships".
 Hardly the Championships of anything.

Why can't it just be the Sydney Autumn racing carnival?
There's good prize money, good horses and exciting racing.

Can't see how it has delivered all the wonderful things to the tax payers of the State it was supposed to.

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« 2017-Apr-09, 09:54 AM Reply #63 »
They could call it The Harvest Moon Racing Festival and there would still be people whinging and whining.

Thought it was a great success when you consider the weather which affected the crowds on Day 1 (unacknowledged in some quarters).

One of the unstated successes at the carnival (pre Championships as well) was the performance of Victorian trained horses.

I thought they won more than their fair share of big races. Jameka and Chautauqua leading the charge. Fitting that two Vics ran the quinella in the very last race.

Alas I cannot recall a Queensland starter let alone a winner. Perhaps a reflection of how things are going in the politicized environment that is Qld racing these days.

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« 2017-Apr-09, 10:15 AM Reply #64 »
 The word championships means the meeting of champions PP7.
 
The country and provincial  finals are just that.
The rest of the races are just what you would expect for a Sydney racing carnival.

Lloyd William's only raced three of his stayers here..........Why?

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« 2017-Apr-09, 11:21 AM Reply #65 »
I will try to be positive where I can but the era of true racing carnivals that most of us remember from the 1960's through to the late 1980's has passed on by.

The modern era of racing carnivals are pitched at the Corporate entertaining market and the 20 to 30 year old "let's have a drink and perve" brigade.

Not trying to defend the ATC but you just can't sit back and not try to market your product otherwise you may as well shut up shop.

The marketing of "The Championships" has come under fire with some comments in my opinion spot on and others a little debatable.

You have to have a name that creates some buzz and "The Championships" works for me.

We were plagued with bog tracks and that detracts from first class racing and in some cases also sees top class horses not starting.

You can only put on the show with the best horses that are available at the time. Some years will be great, some years not so great.

All the WFA races from 1500mts to 2000mts were always going to be dominated by Winx and this no doubt resulted in the smallish field numbers.

In regards to Lloyd Williams only having a small number of horses race over the Sydney carnival, I can assure you if Lloyd had a horse that was ready and suited to a specific race he would have been there as the prizemoney would have been too big of a carrot to ignore.

Now areas that the ATC let themselves down.

The Championship cartoon style advert was a joke. Where was the hype about the horses and the "sell" to new racegoers to get out here and experience something new?

Until January this year I had not been back to Randwick for 20 years.

The hype around the new Grandstand layout left me flat.

The new Grandstand is nothing more than a multi purpose under used Convention Centre that try's to double as a racing Grandstand on race days.

The lawn area is about 1 metre below the actual track level and with all the umbrella's on the lawn you are lucky to see any of the track action and you end up looking at the big screen to watch the finish.

In my opinion the ATC will continue to play second fiddle to the VRC Spring Carnival as Flemington has the room to accommodate the Corporates and not take away the visual aspect from the general public.

As far as justifying the NSW States financial input it is hard for me to have an opinion as I don't know where and how much money is spent off the track in and around Sydney that can be directly attributed to "The Championships".

Would I personally attend Randwick on a big day of racing? No.

Would I personally attend Flemington on a big day of racing? Yes.

But I don't expect to have the same buzz that the carnivals provided back in the 1960's through to the late 1980's. 
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« 2017-Apr-09, 01:14 PM Reply #66 »
They could call it The Harvest Moon Racing Festival and there would still be people whinging and whining.
Considering you were adjacent to a direct rail route to Central, I wonder why you didn't Carpe Diem and attend Day 2?

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« 2017-Apr-09, 02:25 PM Reply #67 »
The word championships means the meeting of champions PP7.
 
The country and provincial  finals are just that.
The rest of the races are just what you would expect for a Sydney racing carnival.

Lloyd William's only raced three of his stayers here..........Why?

Lloyd Williams sending 3 stayers is about par for the course. I don't know what you are implying. If Lloyd Williams sends less than 4 stayers then this is a measure of the quality of a carnival  :what:

The word "Championship" used in the context of the Sydney Easter carnival is a marketing term - a bit like the MVRC calling the Cox Plate the WFA Championship of Australia - doesn't seem to worry people when the marketers talk up Melbourne in the Spring. So let's not parse sentences and look up dictionaries.

It is quite obvious that there are some people who would boo Santa Claus. Wouldn't matter what the ATC did, they would find some reason to whine. You only have to look through people's posting history. The same people are on here criticizing The Everest, Peter V'Landys and the criticism that takes the cake above everything else - too much prizemoney.   :lol:

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« 2017-Apr-09, 02:29 PM Reply #68 »
Considering you were adjacent to a direct rail route to Central, I wonder why you didn't Carpe Diem and attend Day 2?

I stopped going to Randwick when they closed The Tea Room.

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« 2017-Apr-09, 04:53 PM Reply #69 »
Lloyd Williams sending 3 stayers is about par for the course. I don't know what you are implying. If Lloyd Williams sends less than 4 stayers then this is a measure of the quality of a carnival  :what:

The word "Championship" used in the context of the Sydney Easter carnival is a marketing term - a bit like the MVRC calling the Cox Plate the WFA Championship of Australia - doesn't seem to worry people when the marketers talk up Melbourne in the Spring. So let's not parse sentences and look up dictionaries.

It is quite obvious that there are some people who would boo Santa Claus. Wouldn't matter what the ATC did, they would find some reason to whine. You only have to look through people's posting history. The same people are on here criticizing The Everest, Peter V'Landys and the criticism that takes the cake above everything else - too much prizemoney.    :lol:
The Championships are described as "The Grand Finals of Aust racing"

Just briefly "with a total of $20.2 million of prizemoney.......The very best horses in Aust will compete against some of the finest international competitors"
Silly me I thought we would be seeing Japan's latest Deep Impact.
 
The signature race yesterday attracted 3 WFA horses.

This is the  brainchild of some highly paid people.
 
It quite clear the product doesn't match the sales pitch and questions need to be asked.



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« 2017-Apr-09, 06:33 PM Reply #70 »
Nemisis, you are right to ask why the Championships with $20.2 million in prizemoney struggles to attract the best from around the world.

Do the Championships fall too close to the World Cub in Dubai? The prizemoney on offer in Dubai attracts the best from England, the USA, and Japan and is only 3 weeks before the Championships.

Tradition is a great thing but racing is now on the world stage and if the ATC want to compete maybe a closer look at the timing of the Championships is required.

The traditional timing of the Doncaster, Derby and Oaks are not the issue it's the other major events on the Championship carnival.

The Queen Elizabeth should be the equal if not a greater WFA event than the Cox Plate but it hasn't reached those heights to date.

Sure we can use Winx as an excuse but only to a certain degree when it comes to some of our Australian horses but the question is where are the Internationals?

I will stand corrected but outside of Charlie Appleby and his two runners in the Sydney Cup I can't recall another International visitor.

I totally agree with you when you have that level of prizemoney on offer it should be attracting key International competitors.

The need for a complete think tank is required.
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« 2017-Apr-09, 09:17 PM Reply #71 »
The distance factor has to come into play. Why come to Australia when you can go half way and stop at Dubai?

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« 2017-Apr-10, 09:29 AM Reply #72 »

The Queen Elizabeth should be the equal if not a greater WFA event than the Cox Plate but it hasn't reached those heights to date.


It has more prizemoney than the Cox Plate.

It has a long history going back to the 1850's and the winners of this race look far more impressive than the historic winners of the Cox Plate.

This years QE2 quinella was the quinella in the Cox Plate.

Morts, can you point me in the direction of any evidence you have that the QE2 is not the equal of the Cox Plate :what:

If you take into account it's full history, it is a far better race than the Cox Plate, which we all know is run on a track with a 200 something metre straight.

This is from the OP in the QE2 thread

First run in 1851 as the Queen's Plate, no other race in Australia can claim a winners list like this race. And few (if any?) can claim the longevity.

Some of the out and out champions that have won the race:

Archer in 1862, in between his 2 Melbourne Cups.
Tim Whiffler three times
Carbine three times
Poseidon
Phar Lap
Peter Pan
Tulloch three times
Might And Power
Lonhro.

Some of the names of other winners make our list of Champion racehorses. Horses like Cossack (twice), The Barb, Abercorn, La Carabine (twice), Wakeful, Prince Foote, Poitrel, Windbag (twice), Limerick (twice), Veilmond, Rogilla, Beau Vite, Russia (twice), Flight, Katanga, Playboy, Prince Courtald, Prince Grant, Tails, Apollo Eleven, Battle Heights, Taras Bulba, Ming Dynasty, Sydeston, Veandercross, Rough Habit, Jeune, Doriemus, Shogun Lodge, Defier, Grand Armee (twice), Desert War, More Joyous, It's A Dundeel, Criterion and Lucia Valentina.

Will Winx add her name to the list?

She is currently $1.15 to do so.

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« 2017-Apr-10, 10:05 AM Reply #73 »
PP7, you are right to point out the history of the Queens Plate now the Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Champions have and continue to win this race and now we have Winx to add to that list.

My point was directed at the increased prizemoney has done little to attract the top rated horses from around the world.

However in saying that I think we have the world's best horse right here in Winx.

The Championships when launched a few years back with the additional prizemoney was hyped up that they would attract the world's best horses in what would be a true Championship format.

I don't believe the increased prizemoney has achieved that to date.

I couldn't agree more with you about the Cox Plate and it losers some of it glamour on me due to the circle track at Moonee Valley. Still a great spectacle but Randwick is by far a better test of a true 2000 metre classic.

I still believe the timing of the Championships may need to looked at if the ATC are genuine in their desire to attract the world best horses.


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